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http://network.yardbarker.com/all_sport ... t/18666332

The link says it all.. but we all know how far fetched Yardbarker can be! However, its a win win imo. Save the drama for yo mama deal- end the debacle! Its NOT guaranteed money, gives us flexibility to TRADE him vs letting him hit the market next year- and hey best case scenario my boy goes HAM this year and earns it.
With the vultures forever circling DC, this is one less bone for them to lick imo- why wait for the draft? Ink it now and be done!

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:http://network.yardbarker.com/all_sports/article_external/redskins_to_pick_up_qb_robert_griffin_iiis_fifth_year_option_after_the_draft/18666332

The link says it all.. but we all know how far fetched Yardbarker can be! However, its a win win imo. Save the drama for yo mama deal- end the debacle! Its NOT guaranteed money, gives us flexibility to TRADE him vs letting him hit the market next year- and hey best case scenario my boy goes HAM this year and earns it.
With the vultures forever circling DC, this is one less bone for them to lick imo- why wait for the draft? Ink it now and be done!

I think its a terrible idea. Sure if he does bad we can just got him. If he does good then we have to overpay him. If he gets injured we owe it all. We should just negotiate a contract at the end of the year, if he does THAT good, franchise tag him. If he does really well hes a 12-14mil a year QB at best, unless he can win NFL MVP which wont happen.

I wouldn't be a fan of this move. The money is guaranteed if injury is a factor, and with RGIII that is a real risk.

Making this year a "prove it" year is what makes the most sense to me. I trust that he's going to approach it that way regardless of whether we pick up the option, but to me the risks are too high to do it.

Why on earth would the Skins opt in May to pay Griffin 16M in 2016? It's not even clear Gruden really wants to play Griffin in 2015 it seems to me Gruden is forced to embrace Griffin and the new GM isn't tied to Griffin either. I can't even imagine Snyder wanting to make this deal now either, does anyone really imagine other franchises aggressively going after Griffin after the season?

It's possible Griffin will significantly improve in 2015, possible but in my view unlikely. If he starts I hope he is better. Even if he does play much better 16M is a super premium rate for a QB why pay that now for a guy who has been mediocre at best when he was healthy the last couple of years and injured for most of last season? Doesn't make sense to me.

I'm really hopeful that Griffin becomes a really good QB but I do not think they are picking up the option ...

I hope that Griffin shows that he's going to be a future great but the timing for that is in 2017

we just need him to "show and grow" and then in 2017 he'll be ready to help our franchise make a serious bid for the NFC East

by then the offensive line will have had time to add 4 starters that will be starting to play well together and a defense that is effective

OldSchool wrote:Why on earth would the Skins opt in May to pay Griffin 16M in 2016?

For one thing, its a potential money saving move. If Griffin plays lights out this year, we have him locked up at $16m. If he stinks and gets benched, then we cut him at the end of the year and that $16m goes away.

If we don't pick up the option, and he plays lights out we either negotiate a long term deal with him or franchise tag him. Either of those options is going to cost us more than $16m. The QB franchise tag was $18.5m this year.

I understand that Griffin has the injury potential, but you guys need to keep in mind this doesn't mean if RGIII gets hurt this year his contract his fully guaranteed in 2016. He literally has to be unable to play in 2016. That's really rare in the NFL. This is what Andrew Brandt wrote about it in SI:

"In my nine years in the Packers’ front office, I can only recall a couple of times—both involving neck and spine injuries—where players injured one season were unable to play in the following season."
http://mmqb.si.com/2014/05/02/nfl-2011- ... ar-option/

Its a weird thing to wrap your head around especially given where we are with RGIII right now. But I think its probably in the team's best interest to pick up the option. It gives them one more year in full control of his contract before they have to start negotiating and playing the franchise tag game. Unless something funky happens in the draft, I kind of expect that they will do it.

thanks riggofan - based on that, I can see that happening too ...

it would be a good thing for this franchise if RG3 shows that while he needs to get MUCH better he can be a good NFL QB

let's face it - we've got the time to develop him if he shows that he's going to be a good NFL QB

Months ago, I thought it was obvious a big fat NOOOOO. But after I've found experts dissect it more. I think the option will be picked up. Unless a franchise qb is drafted.

EA7649 wrote:Months ago, I thought it was obvious a big fat NOOOOO. But after I've found experts dissect it more. I think the option will be picked up. Unless a franchise qb is drafted.

This exactly.

Think about it this way. RGIII would probably prefer that the team NOT pick up his fifth year option. Its in the team's interest to do it more than his.

riggofan wrote:

OldSchool wrote:Why on earth would the Skins opt in May to pay Griffin 16M in 2016?

For one thing, its a potential money saving move. If Griffin plays lights out this year, we have him locked up at $16m. If he stinks and gets benched, then we cut him at the end of the year and that $16m goes away.

If we don't pick up the option, and he plays lights out we either negotiate a long term deal with him or franchise tag him. Either of those options is going to cost us more than $16m. The QB franchise tag was $18.5m this year.

I understand that Griffin has the injury potential, but you guys need to keep in mind this doesn't mean if RGIII gets hurt this year his contract his fully guaranteed in 2016. He literally has to be unable to play in 2016. That's really rare in the NFL. This is what Andrew Brandt wrote about it in SI:

"In my nine years in the Packers’ front office, I can only recall a couple of times—both involving neck and spine injuries—where players injured one season were unable to play in the following season."
http://mmqb.si.com/2014/05/02/nfl-2011- ... ar-option/

Its a weird thing to wrap your head around especially given where we are with RGIII right now. But I think its probably in the team's best interest to pick up the option. It gives them one more year in full control of his contract before they have to start negotiating and playing the franchise tag game. Unless something funky happens in the draft, I kind of expect that they will do it.

If they exercise the option and then decided to cut him they are not obliged to pay him and it doesn't count against the cap? Are you sure?

OldSchool wrote:If they exercise the option and then decided to cut him they are not obliged to pay him and it doesn't count against the cap? Are you sure?

I heard on the espn980 radio at 1pm when they were talking about football

If he does great and he is a franchise player then your getting a deal not having to pay him plus 16 mil. If he is physically unable to play in 2016 you owe him the money.

They were saying if they sign the extension and lets say Robert plays the the first half of the season and isn't playing well, not the franchise guy. Yank him so there is no possibility for him to get hurt.

Well D-Jax seems to be on board with Robert. This isn't about him being picked up, just that he supports him...which it seems to have disappeared from teammates with his performance and health not as high as previously expected. Had to have a former player, Orakapo, support him. Sad.
http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/DeSean-Ja ... I-36939121

DeSean Jackson is coming off a big year in his first season with the Washington Redskins. The former California Golden Bear is another Redskin that’s all-in for the 2015 campaign.

And he’s in full support of quarterback Robert Griffin III, whom he joined with eight other teammates in Florida to workout prior to reporting for workouts at Redskins this week.

“He’s working, man,” Jackson said. “He’s doing what he needs to do to get better. You can never stay in one position in life and he understands that. He has a lot going. I’m just here to support him.”

Griffin III is one of three quarterbacks that contributed to Jackson’s 56-reception, 1,169-yard, 6-touchdown season.

This offseason is about building chemistry within the offense and the entire team.

“Just building the camaraderie and getting on one page and getting on one accord,” Jackson said, “and doing all things together.”

We talk about teamwork and we talk about not being one guy or one man’s game and that’s important to have early on, even when you’re not around the team. The work we put in together, it all comes together as one.”

riggofan has shown the reasons why the option is a good idea for the Redskins - this is a business

I could care less about the money ... this franchise needs RG3 to be a lot better - he needs to show that he can read defenses and do what the coaches need him to do - last season was terrible - it will not take long for these guys to see whether that is going to happen



I now agree that they will pick up the option, it makes sense - it seems that some here just don't want RG3 to be the QB

The monkey wrench would be: trade Bob3 this upcoming draft and go with Cousins/McCoy/drafted QB.

Stranger things have happened.

The only way that Griffin is not here is if he does not show in the next few months that he's going to be a good NFL QB

these guys are not trading a QB that might be worth keeping and especially now that they have the time to help him

we might see them draft a QB but that would only be a worry for McCoy keeping a spot on the roster in September

the best thing for the franchise is to have Griffin become the QB he can be and to pick up this option

I am not convinced the Skins could CUT Griffin after the 2015 season and get out of the 16M 2016 commitment, the rules may work that way but I'm not convinced.

Another reason not to make a 16M commitment now is how it would preceived by the rest of team. Griffin hasn't earned a big pay day. Paying him an enormous sum in advance of event competent play would annoy his teammates.

OldSchool wrote:I am not convinced the Skins could CUT Griffin after the 2015 season and get out of the 16M 2016 commitment, the rules may work that way but I'm not convinced.

Another reason not to make a 16M commitment now is how it would preceived by the rest of team. Griffin hasn't earned a big pay day. Paying him an enormous sum in advance of event competent play would annoy his teammates.

How many of his teammates did you poll for this inside analysis?

emoses14 wrote:

OldSchool wrote:I am not convinced the Skins could CUT Griffin after the 2015 season and get out of the 16M 2016 commitment, the rules may work that way but I'm not convinced.

Another reason not to make a 16M commitment now is how it would preceived by the rest of team. Griffin hasn't earned a big pay day. Paying him an enormous sum in advance of event competent play would annoy his teammates.

How many of his teammates did you poll for this inside analysis?

OldSchool wrote:I am not convinced the Skins could CUT Griffin after the 2015 season and get out of the 16M 2016 commitment, the rules may work that way but I'm not convinced.

Another reason not to make a 16M commitment now is how it would preceived by the rest of team. Griffin hasn't earned a big pay day. Paying him an enormous sum in advance of event competent play would annoy his teammates.

He earned this contract when he was the overall 2nd pick. Be thankful it is what it is...could you imagine what we would have paid him under the old CBA??

It's certainly not a given - I just think they'll do it because it's a top level decision that Snyder will be supportive of

it's really not a big deal although I'm sure the haters and the press will portray it as such

OldSchool wrote:I am not convinced the Skins could CUT Griffin after the 2015 season and get out of the 16M 2016 commitment, the rules may work that way but I'm not convinced.

If the option is exercised, Griffin will have a $16.1 million base salary in what would become the fifth and final year of his rookie deal. The payment is guaranteed for injury only until the start of the next league year (fall, 2016), at which time it becomes fully guaranteed.

The risk for Washington comes from the possibility that Griffin would suffer an injury that extends from 2015 into 2016. If that happens, they’ll be on the hook for the full amount of the money.

So it appears that as long as they got rid of him before 2016 starts, they'd be off the hook.

DarthMonk wrote:

OldSchool wrote:I am not convinced the Skins could CUT Griffin after the 2015 season and get out of the 16M 2016 commitment, the rules may work that way but I'm not convinced.

If the option is exercised, Griffin will have a $16.1 million base salary in what would become the fifth and final year of his rookie deal. The payment is guaranteed for injury only until the start of the next league year (fall, 2016), at which time it becomes fully guaranteed.

The risk for Washington comes from the possibility that Griffin would suffer an injury that extends from 2015 into 2016. If that happens, they’ll be on the hook for the full amount of the money.

So it appears that as long as they got rid of him before 2016 starts, they'd be off the hook.

Yes as long he doesn't have an injury that will not allow him to play in 2016

the Redskins, in picking up the option, which they only do if they think it's best for the franchise, will be looked at as making a big mistake

not sure they will but no matter what they do, it will be criticized and put down as being the worst possible decision

OldSchool wrote:I am not convinced the Skins could CUT Griffin after the 2015 season and get out of the 16M 2016 commitment, the rules may work that way but I'm not convinced.

What do you mean you're not convinced? This is how the fifth year option works. Its not like something you have to "believe in".

https://in2theleague.wordpress.com/2013 ... und-picks/
When a team exercises the option, it becomes guaranteed for injury only. If the player is on the team’s opening-day Active/Inactive roster for the option year, his salary becomes fully guaranteed for skill, cap, and injury.

OldSchool wrote:Another reason not to make a 16M commitment now is how it would preceived by the rest of team. Griffin hasn't earned a big pay day. Paying him an enormous sum in advance of event competent play would annoy his teammates.

That's just dumb. This is a move for THE TEAM not for THE PLAYER. When the team exercises the option, they're not paying him jack. He's not receiving a big check. RGIII hasn't earned anything yet. All they're doing is saying we have the option to hang on to you in 2016 for $16m or cut you before then for $0.

SkinsJock wrote:the Redskins, in picking up the option, which they only do if they think it's best for the franchise, will be looked at as making a big mistake

not sure they will but no matter what they do, it will be criticized and put down as being the worst possible decision

Of course it will be looked at as a mistake if they extend the contract. By some it will be looked as a mistake if they don't extend the contract. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Do what you feel is right and don't let the noise affect you