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NFC East Offensive line Rankings
Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 4:53 pm
by mastdark81
Of course these are my own personal rankings as a total starting unit, however I'm pretty sure most will agree...with the exception of maybe the Giants. But my point is isn't ironic how the oline rankings here matches the division leaders identically? Coincidence?
1. Dallas - (LT) T. Smith, (LG) R. Leary, (C) T. Frederick, (RG) Z. Martin, (RT) D. Free
2. Eagles - (LT) J. Peters, (LG) E. Mathis, (C) J. Kelce, (RG) void, (RT) L. Johnson
3. Giants - (LT) W. Beatty, (LG) W. Richburg, (C) J .Walton, (RG)J.Jerry, (RT) J. Pugh
4. Redskins - (LT) T. Williams, (LG) S. Lauvao, (C) K. Lichtenstieger, (RG) CChester, (RT) T. Compton
hint* hint* management!!
I know there are not many guys available in free agency but maybe make an inquiry on Alex Boone OG in San Fran. He's not happy with his contract and we cannot I mean cannot keep Chester, especially at his salary at least.
Re: NFC East Offensive line Rankings
Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 7:13 pm
by DarthMonk
Pro Football Focus came out with these:
12. Washington Redskins
Pass Blocking Ranking: 9th, Run Blocking Ranking: 21st, Penalties Ranking: 13th
Stud: Even playing banged up Trent Williams still looks like a class act.
Dud: Former 2012 sixth-round pick Tom Compton had his chance to shine and failed to take it. It would be a mild surprise to see him back with the team.
Breakdown: A lot of changing parts with Korey Lichtensteiger making a good switch to center and Chris Chester having one of his good years (which likely means a bad one is around the corner). There are still a few question marks out there and you get the feel this unit is in transition as they transform into something more of Jay Gruden’s liking.
They put us ahead of New England (23), Carolina (22), Seattle (19), Indianapolis (17), and Detroit (14).
Re: NFC East Offensive line Rankings
Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 8:30 pm
by mastdark81
DarthMonk wrote:Pro Football Focus came out with these:
12. Washington Redskins
Pass Blocking Ranking: 9th, Run Blocking Ranking: 21st, Penalties Ranking: 13th
Stud: Even playing banged up Trent Williams still looks like a class act.
Dud: Former 2012 sixth-round pick Tom Compton had his chance to shine and failed to take it. It would be a mild surprise to see him back with the team.
Breakdown: A lot of changing parts with Korey Lichtensteiger making a good switch to center and Chris Chester having one of his good years (which likely means a bad one is around the corner). There are still a few question marks out there and you get the feel this unit is in transition as they transform into something more of Jay Gruden’s liking.
They put us ahead of New England (23), Carolina (22), Seattle (19), Indianapolis (17), and Detroit (14).
I was listing NFC East not the entire NFL. What do you rank them among NFC East offensive lines? I value your opinion. I'm sure you have watched every game/every play for years.
Re: NFC East Offensive line Rankings
Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2015 8:38 pm
by SkinsJock
this ranking is no more more indicative of where this franchise 'rates' as the coming pre season rankings will be ...
The Redskins will have 4 new starters on the offensive line (except for Trent Williams) by the beginning of 2017
goodbye and good riddance
the O line issues are not the reason for the offensive woes but they were not much help ... if any any
Re: NFC East Offensive line Rankings
Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2015 1:05 am
by DarthMonk
mastdark81 wrote:DarthMonk wrote:Pro Football Focus came out with these:
12. Washington Redskins
Pass Blocking Ranking: 9th, Run Blocking Ranking: 21st, Penalties Ranking: 13th
Stud: Even playing banged up Trent Williams still looks like a class act.
Dud: Former 2012 sixth-round pick Tom Compton had his chance to shine and failed to take it. It would be a mild surprise to see him back with the team.
Breakdown: A lot of changing parts with Korey Lichtensteiger making a good switch to center and Chris Chester having one of his good years (which likely means a bad one is around the corner). There are still a few question marks out there and you get the feel this unit is in transition as they transform into something more of Jay Gruden’s liking.
They put us ahead of New England (23), Carolina (22), Seattle (19), Indianapolis (17), and Detroit (14).
I was listing NFC East not the entire NFL. What do you rank them among NFC East offensive lines? I value your opinion. I'm sure you have watched every game/every play for years.
I know, bro. Just adding.
First, note the teams I highlighted. They are playoff teams with "worse" offensive lines than ours. What do they have?? Good QBs! Brady, Newton, Russell (well, great D anyway), Luck, and Stafford (another good D).
We have a pro bowl LT, a very good center, and a good guard (Chester). A Rivers-esque QB makes our line look way better.
Dallas' line is the class of the division.
Eags just out-scheme/coach/condition us.
We probably have a better line than the Giants but Eli + Beckham + their D last year > Our QB + anybody + our D last year.
Let's hope Scot is inspired and Jay turns out to be good.
Re: NFC East Offensive line Rankings
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:02 pm
by markshark84
DarthMonk wrote:Pro Football Focus came out with these:
12. Washington Redskins
Pass Blocking Ranking: 9th, Run Blocking Ranking: 21st, Penalties Ranking: 13th
Stud: Even playing banged up Trent Williams still looks like a class act.
Dud: Former 2012 sixth-round pick Tom Compton had his chance to shine and failed to take it. It would be a mild surprise to see him back with the team.
Breakdown: A lot of changing parts with Korey Lichtensteiger making a good switch to center and Chris Chester having one of his good years (which likely means a bad one is around the corner). There are still a few question marks out there and you get the feel this unit is in transition as they transform into something more of Jay Gruden’s liking.
They put us ahead of New England (23), Carolina (22), Seattle (19), Indianapolis (17), and Detroit (14).
What?????????
That can't be right? No way.
We have the worst OL ever!!!! In the history of football!!! That
IS the reason why RGIII didn't perform well. 9th best in the NFL is pass pro ---- they must be blind!!!!
Are they saying that RGIII actually may have been the reason for getting sacked >5% of the time he dropped back?????? That can't be right. It was our putride OL's fault!!!
LOL ---- This ranking may just make all the RGIII supporters collective heads explode.
All joking aside --- I also disagree with the, what most would consider, positive assessment. But I also think RGIII made our OL look WAY WAY WAY worse than it actually was.
Re: NFC East Offensive line Rankings
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:22 pm
by DarthMonk
Re: NFC East Offensive line Rankings
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:02 pm
by PulpExposure
markshark84 wrote:
All joking aside --- I also disagree with the, what most would consider, positive assessment. But I also think RGIII made our OL look WAY WAY WAY worse than it actually was.
Agree on both counts. There's no way that line was the 9th best pass blocking line in the NFL. Unless offensive line play is just awful in the NFL....
And RG3 was utterly hopeless in the pocket last year.
Re: NFC East Offensive line Rankings
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:08 pm
by SkinsJock
the Redskins' QB play last season did not help the Offensive line look good ... that's a fact
but it's also a fact that no current NFL QB could have helped our Offensive line look good
bad is bad, whether it be a QB or an offensive line
that stuff is history - by 2017, everyone on the 2014 O line (excepting maybe Trent Williams) will be gone, thankfully
Re: NFC East Offensive line Rankings
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:23 pm
by Irn-Bru
I doubt there are more than one or two lines that can rival Dallas' at the moment. Eagles are better than us but got weaker this offseason.
We've got a better offensive line than the Giants, though. When I look at those sets of starters, there's no way I'd trade our five for theirs. Trent Williams alone is nearly enough reason to want to keep our line.
Re: NFC East Offensive line Rankings
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:29 pm
by DarthMonk
PulpExposure wrote:markshark84 wrote:
All joking aside --- I also disagree with the, what most would consider, positive assessment. But I also think RGIII made our OL look WAY WAY WAY worse than it actually was.
Agree on both counts. There's no way that line was the 9th best pass blocking line in the NFL. Unless offensive line play is just awful in the NFL....
And RG3 was utterly hopeless in the pocket last year.
Perfect pocket, 5 guys WIDE OPEN, he's pulling it down and taking off.
Re: NFC East Offensive line Rankings
Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:33 pm
by DarthMonk
SkinsJock wrote:the Redskins' QB play last season did not help the Offensive line look good ... that's a fact
but it's also a fact that no current NFL QB could have helped our Offensive line look good
I dare say Rodgers and Brady could have. Maybe Luck too.
Re: NFC East Offensive line Rankings
Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:12 am
by Deadskins
DarthMonk wrote:SkinsJock wrote:the Redskins' QB play last season did not help the Offensive line look good ... that's a fact
but it's also a fact that no current NFL QB could have helped our Offensive line look good
I dare say Rodgers and Brady could have. Maybe Luck too.
Peyton Manning might have succeeded as well.
Re: NFC East Offensive line Rankings
Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:01 am
by mastdark81
SkinsJock wrote:the Redskins' QB play last season did not help the Offensive line look good ... that's a fact
but it's also a fact that no current NFL QB could have helped our Offensive line look good
bad is bad, whether it be a QB or an offensive line
that stuff is history - by 2017, everyone on the 2014 O line (excepting maybe Trent Williams) will be gone, thankfully
Re: NFC East Offensive line Rankings
Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:12 am
by mastdark81
I factored in THE RUNNING GAME as well. Way too often Alfred Morris was hit behind the line of scrimmage (setting up 2nd,3rd & longs). Typically you see other teams RBs getting passed the defensive line to the linebackers, however our offensive line was making defensive lines into tackling machines.
I don't want to hear anyone else talking about Kory Lichtenstieger is a very good center! The majority of the time he is just the "help" or the "extra" blocker and we faced a low amount of 3-4 teams compared to in the past where our center would be lined up right in front of the nose tackle. Kory is still a middle of the pack at best center if you don't agree tell me who is he better than just in our division.
Re: NFC East Offensive line Rankings
Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:14 am
by riggofan
PulpExposure wrote:markshark84 wrote:
All joking aside --- I also disagree with the, what most would consider, positive assessment. But I also think RGIII made our OL look WAY WAY WAY worse than it actually was.
Agree on both counts. There's no way that line was the 9th best pass blocking line in the NFL. Unless offensive line play is just awful in the NFL....
They were able to pad their stats because Kirk Cousins started a couple games. Immediately started sucking when RGIII came back in.
Re: NFC East Offensive line Rankings
Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:22 am
by riggofan
mastdark81 wrote:Of course these are my own personal rankings as a total starting unit, however I'm pretty sure most will agree...with the exception of maybe the Giants. But my point is isn't ironic how the oline rankings here matches the division leaders identically? Coincidence?
Hmmmm. Maybe you're just judging them by how many games their teams won? Not really much of a coincidence.
The Eagles have VOID listed as right guard, but they're still #2? Evan Mathis is likely gone from the Eagles before the season starts, and JD Walton hasn't been a Giant for several weeks.
Dallas has put together a top notch o-line. Its not all that clear who is starting on the other three.
Re: NFC East Offensive line Rankings
Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:09 pm
by Countertrey
I do remember, numerous occasions, watching the OL set up the pocket for a 3 or 5 step drop... and Bob take 7 steps... That's a big deal, and it does set up the OL to look BAD, as they set up to defend a shallow drop, but, because the angle is now WAY OFF, the DE/OLB simply steps to the outside, and blow's past the OT... That wasn't as much a problem on TW's side, but, whoever was setting up at the other end was constantly being corkscrewed into the ground when this happened.
This is a fundamental skill for a pocket quarterback... I can't imagine that Bob hasn't grasped it. An improvement here, as well as an understanding that getting rid of the ball is better than taking a sack, will help the line immensely. None the less... our OL is generally WAY too small, and will never protect well until more athletic beef moves in.
Re: NFC East Offensive line Rankings
Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:20 pm
by riggofan
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Re: NFC East Offensive line Rankings
Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:13 pm
by DarthMonk
riggofan wrote:I'm starting a new band called Athletic Beef.
Can't wait to hear the first cut. Your guitarist and keys have good chops?
Re: NFC East Offensive line Rankings
Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 4:58 pm
by mastdark81
riggofan wrote:mastdark81 wrote:Of course these are my own personal rankings as a total starting unit, however I'm pretty sure most will agree...with the exception of maybe the Giants. But my point is isn't ironic how the oline rankings here matches the division leaders identically? Coincidence?
Hmmmm. Maybe you're just judging them by how many games their teams won? Not really much of a coincidence.
The Eagles have VOID listed as right guard, but they're still #2? Evan Mathis is likely gone from the Eagles before the season starts, and JD Walton hasn't been a Giant for several weeks.
Dallas has put together a top notch o-line. Its not all that clear who is starting on the other three.
Yeah I'm just posing the question since it is the offseason. Unfortunately yes even with 1 guy missing the Eagles line has been better than ours for years. Jason Peters, Evan Mathis both possible all pro's and Kelce is a good center as well. Not to mention 1st rd pick Lane Johnson (isn't there yet but he is very young). Even if they pick up the worse olineman in the league to play RG their line probably would hold its on. We just have 1 guy in Trent Williams that would ultimately start for a lot of other clubs.
In my opinion our lack of success on offense has somewhat something to do with our offensive failures along with the quarterback position. I think our QB's that we have definitely do not help, specifically RG3 but way to often all 3 are hit even when they do get rid of it. You have to factor in very poor blocking by our RB's and TE's as well. Our 1st down running game is terrible and too often Alfred Morris is crushed before he can even get past the line of scrimmage.
Very encouraged by Callahan hiring.
Re: NFC East Offensive line Rankings
Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 7:00 am
by Countertrey
riggofan wrote:I'm starting a new band called Athletic Beef.
Two words..."royalty agreement"...
Re: NFC East Offensive line Rankings
Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:15 am
by Irn-Bru
mastdark81 wrote:Even if they pick up the worse olineman in the league to play RG their line probably would hold its on. We just have 1 guy in Trent Williams that would ultimately start for a lot of other clubs.
This isn't true at all. I can just about guarantee you that Lauvao and Lichtenstieger would start elsewhere. (The guy we cut in favor of Lichtenstieger
became the Broncos starting center.) Chester is old, but even he would compete for a starting position on a handful of teams where guard was a big weakness.
Re: NFC East Offensive line Rankings
Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:24 am
by markshark84
Irn-Bru wrote:This isn't true at all. I can just about guarantee you that Lauvao and Lichtenstieger would start elsewhere. (The guy we cut in favor of Lichtenstieger
became the Broncos starting center.) Chester is old, but even he would compete for a starting position on a handful of teams where guard was a big weakness.
Agree. I personally think Licht is solid at C. We don't need any upgrade there. Was Ramirez on the skins at some point???? I never knew that. I am friends with his cousin. I would like to see a replacement for Chester and Compton mainly.
I also think there are teams where ALL our OL would start. Now, that doesn't mean they are good..... It just means that not 1 of our front 5 is the worst OL at their position in the NFL.
That being said, OL is a UNIT. OL UNITS NEED to play together in order to get better. The amount of time it takes is generally YEARS, not months or games or even 1 year.
All of this being said, I do think that our OL gets a ton of crap for a lot of things RGIII did. The fact Scot hasn't focused on this is IMHO an indication of where he stands on the issue.
Re: NFC East Offensive line Rankings
Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:34 am
by riggofan
mastdark81 wrote:In my opinion our lack of success on offense has somewhat something to do with our offensive failures along with the quarterback position. I think our QB's that we have definitely do not help, specifically RG3 but way to often all 3 are hit even when they do get rid of it. You have to factor in very poor blocking by our RB's and TE's as well. Our 1st down running game is terrible and too often Alfred Morris is crushed before he can even get past the line of scrimmage.
Yeah I agree with all of this. No matter what else contributes, I have a feeling what Countertrey is saying about adding some "athletic beef" is the biggest part of it.
mastdark81 wrote:Very encouraged by Callahan hiring.
Me too!