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How would you feel IF we drafted Mariota?
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 3:40 pm
by Prowl33
So take out the likelihood of it, even if you believe it to be a 0% chance.
If we did it, what would be your thoughts?
Re: How would feel IF we drafted Mariota?
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 3:51 pm
by SKINS#1
Some may think the Redskins are a "nut house", this would remove all doubt.
Re: How would feel IF we drafted Mariota?
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:05 pm
by SkinsJock
it's really hard to even imagine that, even if Dan Snyder were involved with the decision on who to draft
he's not and Scot & Jay are not doing it
just a stupid waste of time
Re: How would feel IF we drafted Mariota?
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:06 pm
by Deadskins
Re: How would feel IF we drafted Mariota?
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:12 pm
by DEHog
Listening to 980 today, I was shocked at how many fans WANT to draft him if he's there!!
Re: How would feel IF we drafted Mariota?
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:17 pm
by emoses14
Re: How would feel IF we drafted Mariota?
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:28 pm
by ferryrich
I don't believe we'd be improved in the slightest.
Re: How would feel IF we drafted Mariota?
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:45 pm
by riggofan
DEHog wrote:Listening to 980 today, I was shocked at how many fans WANT to draft him if he's there!!
hah. Were you really shocked, man? Honestly?
I'll be 100% cool if we draft Mariota. But only if we also sign AP to a five year deal and trade our next two first round picks to Detroit for Ndamukong Suh. If we're going to be stupid, I want the team to go big. All in!!!
Re: How would feel IF we drafted Mariota?
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:49 pm
by DEHog
riggofan wrote:DEHog wrote:Listening to 980 today, I was shocked at how many fans WANT to draft him if he's there!!
hah. Were you really shocked, man? Honestly?
I'll be 100% cool if we draft Mariota. But only if we also sign AP to a five year deal and trade our next two first round picks to Detroit for Ndamukong Suh. If we're going to be stupid, I want the team to go big. All in!!!
Yes....since all I've heard this off season is how we have to build around RG??
Re: How would feel IF we drafted Mariota?
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:50 pm
by OldSchool
I would be disgusted since I think they need to shore up the OL and defense to help any QB be successful and I'd rather they spend the next couple of cycles doing that rather than picking a new QB and setting him up for failure with a poor supporting cast. I would also be displeased that they picked another option quarterback who while a gifted athlete that may transition successfully to a pro offense it is in my view a risky pick than getting a guy from a pro style offense. That said blowing the 5th pick in one draft is a lot smaller mistake than blowing 3 first rounds and 1 second round for Griffin.
I don't think Snyder ever learns he keeps making the same mistakes so I really wouldn't be surprised, I don't expect it but I would not be shocked. I think he wants to give Griffin a fourth year to show progress before he quits on him hence the Gruden announcement so I don't expect him to make a QB move this year.
None of us know if Griffin can improve enough save his career or if Cousins can improve enough to become a long term starter here or elsewhere. Hopefully 1 of them makes major strides this year. Griffin is going to get the first chance if he plays as slow as 2014 I hope he gets yanked like Cousins did this year and Kirk gets a shot.
Re: How would feel IF we drafted Mariota?
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:25 pm
by Prowl33
Im with you guys too... would be a pretty dumb move. To me not because we have Robert or spent so much for him... but we have a lot of other needs to fill so we dont ruin another QB.
IMO Mariota is a little better passer (with still a lot of learning to do) slightly less athleticalky gifted, but a lot more modest.
For that last reason I think he would actually be a better QB for us than RG3. He could run the read option better than robert because he understands he doesnt have to force the yards or the play.
Re: How would feel IF we drafted Mariota?
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:34 pm
by Countertrey
Our team has too many holes to even THINK of this.
Beyond that, you DO NOT bring in another rookie quarterback unless you can PROTECT him once in a while... especially a quarterback with no experience in a Pro style O.
Re: How would you feel IF we drafted Mariota?
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:32 pm
by Prowl33
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015/02/ ... s-mariota/Interesting read not on why to take Mariota, but why to not be surprised if we did, and reasoning behind it.
Re: How would you feel IF we drafted Mariota?
Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:34 pm
by SkinsJock
give me a break - why would I read anything so blatantly stupid?
there is no possible way for a real fan not to be absolutely stunned if we took Mariotta - and there is absolutely no way to justify it
I'm not reading trash - it's just more stupidity - this is a non event
Re: How would you feel IF we drafted Mariota?
Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 7:54 pm
by Prowl33
Wanted to bring this back up. Disclaimer, im not endorsing it, just playing devils advocate for a moment because that guy from ESPN is predicting it.
Is it so far fetched? First, it would be the first for sure sign that Dan and Bruce are NOT in charge.
So what if Jay doesnt like and/or doesnt believe in Rg3. What if Scot watched all the film and thinks RG3 is not a fit for the team. What if they do think Mariota is a great QB, based off of their evaluations.
If all of the above is true, is it more likely they pick him, or they stick with a player they do not want or believe in for the most important position on the field.
Just a thought.
Re: How would you feel IF we drafted Mariota?
Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 8:13 pm
by Countertrey
Prowl33 wrote:Wanted to bring this back up. Disclaimer, im not endorsing it, just playing devils advocate for a moment because that guy from ESPN is predicting it.
Is it so far fetched? First, it would be the first for sure sign that Dan and Bruce are NOT in charge.
So what if Jay doesnt like and/or doesnt believe in Rg3. What if Scot watched all the film and thinks RG3 is not a fit for the team. What if they do think Mariota is a great QB, based off of their evaluations.
If all of the above is true, is it more likely they pick him, or they stick with a player they do not want or believe in for the most important position on the field.
Just a thought.
Paid close attention to Mariota at the combine. I was very impressed with his footwork, especially considering his lack of an "under center" pedigree. His throws were sharp and well timed. Has good touch, short medium and deep... his arm strength was good. We drafted a similar, though more athletic, quarterback 3 seasons ago, expecting that he would develop into a pro-style drop back passer... we all know that has not worked out as we hoped (at least to this point)... so, once burned, caveat emptor. None the less, I did see things in Mariota that I did not see in Bob at the same point in his development... largely around footwork, and a tight throwing motion, that would serve a WCO quarterback well.
I still don't believe we will take him at 5, though I do believe there is going to be lots of noise and speculation in that direction... much of which will be orchestrated by Scot, in an effort to drum up trade partners willing to overpay to move to 5. My preference would still be trade down, and collect picks, or take the legitimate BPA (meaning, not adjusted to account for a lack of first round QB talent)
While I do have concerns that Bob and Cousins may not pan out, I just think it would be STUPID to place another "franchise" rookie QB in harm's way, without significantly improving pass pro. I'd rather continue developing the supporting cast, and make a play next year.
I have softened my earlier stand, however... Selecting this kid would not be the worst thing that could happen, though it could go south in a real hurry if the supporting cast isn't in place. My bottom line, however is that I'd be very happy if we worked to grab Bryce Petty... my comments from observing him:
reminds me of Mark Rypien... natural thrower... beautiful passes... BIG guy BIG arm. I know he hasn't worked out of a pocket much, but he seems to be a natural. Gibbs would love him. Would be a nice fit in a WCO. He also looks like he would be a Roethlisberger type of pocket warrior... who would give his receivers every last second to make a play.
He will be a very good quarterback for someone.
Re: How would you feel IF we drafted Mariota?
Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 8:25 pm
by DarthMonk
From a different thread:
DarthMonk wrote:I wonder where he is on Scot's board. If he's in Scot's top three and he's there when we pick ... brace yourselves.
And if all that's the case, I have faith in Scot.
BTW ...
John Clayton explains why Redskins’ Scot McCloughan would absolutely draft Marcus Mariota
ESPN’s John Clayton didn’t misspeak Tuesday night when he said that the Redskins would select quarterback Marcus Mariota if he fell to them at No. 5 in next month’s NFL draft. Clayton expounded upon that opinion during a Wednesday appearance with Thom Loverro and Kevin Sheehan on ESPN 980′s The Sports Fix.
“Oh, absolutely,” Clayton said after Sheehan asked if he was sure the Redskins would take the former Oregon star. “Yeah. It’s not a matter, are they in the market for Marcus Mariota? No. But, if Marcus Mariota falls to five, how do you pass on him? It’s a no-brainer. He’s a good quarterback. The quarterback situation is in flux. This is the last year of RGIII and Kirk Cousins’ contracts. They don’t know exactly where it’s going to be.
“If a gift comes to you and they ring your doorbell and the postman hands it to you, are you going to say, ‘Oh, no, I’m sorry, take that one back, that wasn’t scheduled for me’? That’s what it really is. It’s a quarterback-driven league. You saw that when they made the trade to get RGIII, giving away three firsts and a second. Now, it’s a matter, if a quarterback falls to you, sure, you bring him in. That’s a simple thing. That’s exactly where I can see it going and it would be a smart move to do it.”
Clayton, who is based in Seattle, said he knows Redskins General Manager Scot McCloughan, who was a senior personnel executive with the Seahawks from 2010 to 2014, “extremely well.”
“I’ve been fortunate to talk to him through the years when he’s been in Seattle, when he’s been in San Francisco, and know him well enough to know his mindset,” Clayton said. “His mind-set is such that he believes this is a quarterback-driven league. He had the opportunity to take a quarterback when he was starting [in San Francisco] and they took Alex Smith. I know in his days in Seattle, when he came up here after the San Francisco thing went a different direction, he was a big believer in Andy Dalton. He was a big believer in Russell Wilson. Given a choice, if there’s a chance to get a quarterback, he’s always going to lean to getting a quarterback, because he knows the value of the position.”
Clayton also suggested that drafting Mariota might not mean the end of Robert Griffin III in D.C., at least not immediately. He referenced Jacksonville’s ultimately abandoned plans of sitting Blake Bortles for a season after selecting him No. 3 overall in last year’s draft.
“What it comes down to is, if Mariota falls to them, you accept it, and then you make a decision who is going to be your quarterback of the future,” Clayton said. “But the quarterback of the present would be RGIII.”
Sheehan asked Clayton if he thinks McCloughan will be given the freedom by Redskins owner Daniel Snyder to call all of the shots in the draft, even if that means selecting Mariota.
“I have not talked to Scot about this, but I would imagine that he is going to have a strong voice,” Clayton said. “He was given a strong voice when he was hired as the general manager. If you really look at it, I’m sure that Dan still gets involved in major decisions, but Dan for the most part, particularly from the [Mike] Shanahan year, he’s stayed out of it. He’s been pretty much letting the football people make the football decisions. I’m sure there’s things that he’s going to push that he would like, but for the most part, I think he’s been reasonably hands off. I think that he would like to give Scot the opportunity to do it, but hey, he owns the team. If he disagrees, you say it, and then it doesn’t happen. That’s the advantage of there being an owner.”
Re: How would you feel IF we drafted Mariota?
Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 8:35 pm
by EA7649
He's not going to be the type of qb gruden wants. Other positions are needed that highly picked. He'd rather have a Luck not Griffen with going back to 2012.
Re: How would feel IF we drafted Mariota?
Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 11:12 am
by OldSchool
SkinsJock wrote:it's really hard to even imagine that, even if Dan Snyder were involved with the decision on who to draft
he's not and Scot & Jay are not doing it
just a stupid waste of time
SJ how do you know Snyder isn't involved? After what 16-17 years of his meddling why on earth would you believe them now when they say Scot is going make the decisions? To have faith in what they say at this point defies logic. His minions tell us what he wants us to hear and do what they are told for their 7 figure salaries.
Re: How would feel IF we drafted Mariota?
Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 11:50 am
by Prowl33
OldSchool wrote:SkinsJock wrote:it's really hard to even imagine that, even if Dan Snyder were involved with the decision on who to draft
he's not and Scot & Jay are not doing it
just a stupid waste of time
SJ how do you know Snyder isn't involved? After what 16-17 years of his meddling why on earth would you believe them now when they say Scot is going make the decisions? To have faith in what they say at this point defies logic. His minions tell us what he wants us to hear and do what they are told for their 7 figure salaries.
I think Scot is a guy more worried about his rep than money.... cause he can easily get gm job with another team and make good money, or run his scouting service. Gruden too to an extent, he may not have the options scot has, but pride is important to him.
Thar being said, I believe Scot would walk out the door ripping his paycheck in half if Dan and/or Bruce made a decision for him that he didnt agree with.
So is Mariota POSSIBLE? Yes, because Scot will do what he thinks is going to help him... which will likely be to take a defensive stud at #5 or trade back and get an OT, OG, or, Safety
Re: How would feel IF we drafted Mariota?
Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2015 2:49 pm
by markshark84
OldSchool wrote:SkinsJock wrote:it's really hard to even imagine that, even if Dan Snyder were involved with the decision on who to draft
he's not and Scot & Jay are not doing it
just a stupid waste of time
SJ how do you know Snyder isn't involved? After what 16-17 years of his meddling why on earth would you believe them now when they say Scot is going make the decisions? To have faith in what they say at this point defies logic. His minions tell us what he wants us to hear and do what they are told for their 7 figure salaries.
Oldschool --- Lets get real. He doesn't (and honestly, no one does with 100% certainty on this board).
Jock said the same thing (ie, Danny wasn't involved) about Shanahan
AND Allen when they came in. In fact, he was (at a time) adamant about it.
He came to terms with reality a couple months ago, but appears he has jumped right back on the train......
