Fixing the Offense

[mastdark81]

QB – A franchise QB most likely is not on the roster, however you have to go with what you have. Bring in another veteran qb that you do not know about that could possibly compete. Have patience that Griffin or Cousins turn out by the time another potential qb come around to draft or pickup in free agency. Free agents that are attainable and not expensive: Matt Moore, Matt Flynn (fits westcoast system).

RB - Keep Morris hungry and let his contract expire until you negotiate with him. Let Helu go! He cannot block which is very important in our scheme and rb's are rich in the draft and free agency this year. Silas Redd should improve and Chris Thompson can be your possible 3rd down.
Free agents that are attainable and not expensive: Shane Vereen, Stevan Ridley, Daniel Thomas (all three good pass blockers and can catch).

FB - Darrell Young. Give him an extension, lowering his base salary and GRUDEN should actually use him!! 3rd downs, as a FB (too many games he didn't even play because they went with Paulsen as an extra TE). Also look to bring in more college rookie fullbacks in for competition. For a guy they don't use he is getting over between $1-2 mil per year.


WR/TE –arcon has to lower his salary…I’m cool with keeping him. Lastly you need to pick up redzone threats in the draft (4th,5th,6th,7th) around that draft range. Whether it is a TE or a WR. Let Logan Paulsen/Paul go. Free agents looks: (don’t know but someone who can block and has good size)

OLINE – Chester, Polumbus, LeRibeus has to go. To me there is two scenario’s: #1 my first choice is sign Bryan Bulaga RT from the Packers. Draft a OG in 2nd rd. If you cannot do that then…
#2 Trade down a few slots and draft Brandon Scherrf OT and then sign OG Mike IUPATI.

Kicker – We good!

Coaching – I think we just have an average HC but oh well he’s here. I would seriously look at improving our OLINE coach.

[markshark84]

Honestly, I think the offseason focus should be on our DEF. They are in much worse shape..........

But this isn't about offense, so --- IMHO, our offensive issues are mostly tied to the QB. We don't have one. OL is bad, but you don't make the playoffs without a quality QB.

I consider the WR and RB position good for right now. I wouldn't be in support of trading Garcon. And I think drafting Cooper would be disasterous (not because he isn't a good player) under any circumstance. We need to get an OL and QB before we focus on what I call the frosting (RB, pass-catching TE, WR) of the offense. We also have a TON of need on the DEF --- needs incredibly significantly completely more important than WR. WR is also a very volitale position to be picking in the first. There are too many variables. We have too many "needs" to be taking chances on a "want" position. That is just bad business policy.

FB and TE -- who cares. They shouldn't be focused on in the draft.

OL: We need upgrades for at least 3 positions on the OL. The OT position should be addressed early in the draft. This where I would focus my efforts on offense.

QB: I don't see any QBs worth taking. I'd like to see a totally open and OBJECTIVE competition between Cousins and RGIII. Based on what we saw last season, that would mean Cousins begins the year as our starter.

[DEHog]

Honestly, I think the offseason focus should be on our DEF. They are in much worse shape..........

But this isn't about offense, so --- IMHO, our offensive issues are mostly tied to the QB. We don't have one. OL is bad, but you don't make the playoffs without a quality QB.

I consider the WR and RB position good for right now. I wouldn't be in support of trading Garcon. And I think drafting Cooper would be disasterous (not because he isn't a good player) under any circumstance. We need to get an OL and QB before we focus on what I call the frosting (RB, pass-catching TE, WR) of the offense. We also have a TON of need on the DEF --- needs incredibly significantly completely more important than WR.

FB and TE -- who cares. They shouldn't be focused on in the draft.

OL: We need upgrades for at least 3 positions on the OL. The OT position should be addressed early in the draft. This where I would focus my efforts on offense.

QB: I don't see any QBs worth taking. I'd like to see a totally open and OBJECTIVE competition between Cousins and RGIII. Based on what we saw last season, that would mean Cousins begins the year as our starter.

Well if Cooper is BPA...

[markshark84]

Honestly, I think the offseason focus should be on our DEF. They are in much worse shape..........

But this isn't about offense, so --- IMHO, our offensive issues are mostly tied to the QB. We don't have one. OL is bad, but you don't make the playoffs without a quality QB.

I consider the WR and RB position good for right now. I wouldn't be in support of trading Garcon. And I think drafting Cooper would be disasterous (not because he isn't a good player) under any circumstance. We need to get an OL and QB before we focus on what I call the frosting (RB, pass-catching TE, WR) of the offense. We also have a TON of need on the DEF --- needs incredibly significantly completely more important than WR.

FB and TE -- who cares. They shouldn't be focused on in the draft.

OL: We need upgrades for at least 3 positions on the OL. The OT position should be addressed early in the draft. This where I would focus my efforts on offense.

QB: I don't see any QBs worth taking. I'd like to see a totally open and OBJECTIVE competition between Cousins and RGIII. Based on what we saw last season, that would mean Cousins begins the year as our starter.

Well if Cooper is BPA...

IMHO, WR are never BPA with the #5. The only --- and I mean only -- WR I would have ever taken with a #5 is Calvin Johnson. Everyone knew that guy was going to be a stud. It was a guarantee (outside injury). This is just my personal opinion, but I don't consider RB, TE, WR to be BPA in the first round -- outside of extraordinary circumstances like Johnson.

"BPA" is subjective. BPA to one GM may not be BPA to another. If Cooper were sitting at #5 and I knew a team wanted him ---- I'd be salivating for a trade that would end up being far more "BPA" than any single player.

[OldSchool]

Our line needs a major upgrade. We may have talent at WR than we need but we definitely need better, bigger lineman who can open holes and provide better protection for our QB.

I don't know if any of our QBs are good potential starters but I am confident any of them or a new one in the future would be better with a strong line. I want the top picks and FA money going to upgrades on the OL and DBs.

[SkinsJock]

'Fixing the offense' is just like everything else here - it's going to take more than a couple of seasons ...

some of these 'suggestions' we're seeing seem to imply that we could be contending for a playoff spot in the near future ...

we don't need to really worry about the QB position a) we don't have one and b) we don't have an O line even if we did

we need Scot and Jay to use the next 2 - 3 drafts and build an offensive line and an effective defense - over the next 2 years we have to either find a FA QB or draft 1 and begin to get him ready to play so that in 2017 he's ready to start behind a decent O line

now if Kirk or RG3 can be that guy remains to be seen but it sure doesn't look like either is going to be much

no worries - take our time and start to make this franchise into a competitive unit again

P A T I E N C E - it's going to take years - more than 2 and hopefully less than 5 .... if it's done right

[OldSchool]

'Fixing the offense' is just like everything else here - it's going to take more than a couple of seasons ...

some of these 'suggestions' we're seeing seem to imply that we could be contending for a playoff spot in the near future ...

we don't need to really worry about the QB position a) we don't have one and b) we don't have an O line even if we did

we need Scot and Jay to use the next 2 - 3 drafts and build an offensive and defensive line - over the next 2 years we have to either find a FA QB or draft 1 and begin to get him ready to play so that in 2017 he's ready to start behind a decent O line

now if Kirk or RG3 can be that guy remains to be seen but it sure doesn't look like either is going to be much

no worries - take our time and start to make this franchise into a competitive unit again

P A T I E N C E - it's going to take years - more than 2 and hopefully less than 5 .... if it's done right

Ditto about the OL although I the DBs are a bigger problem than the DL.

[riggofan]

People seem dismissive of TE. Not our biggest area of need, but definitely an area we could improve IMO.

Jordan Reed hasn't been able to stay healthy. Niles Paul is a free agent, and neither he nor Logan Paulsen are anything special. Its also been pointed out numerous times this year that some of the o-line blocking issues have been related to the TEs.

This might be a position we could improve through free agency?

[riggofan]

We'll see what happens. Personally I think fans are going to be surprised/disappointed when there aren't immediate big changes to the offensive line.

[mastdark81]

Honestly, I think the offseason focus should be on our DEF. They are in much worse shape..........

But this isn't about offense, so --- IMHO, our offensive issues are mostly tied to the QB. We don't have one. OL is bad, but you don't make the playoffs without a quality QB.

I consider the WR and RB position good for right now. I wouldn't be in support of trading Garcon. And I think drafting Cooper would be disasterous (not because he isn't a good player) under any circumstance. We need to get an OL and QB before we focus on what I call the frosting (RB, pass-catching TE, WR) of the offense. We also have a TON of need on the DEF --- needs incredibly significantly completely more important than WR. WR is also a very volitale position to be picking in the first. There are too many variables. We have too many "needs" to be taking chances on a "want" position. That is just bad business policy.

FB and TE -- who cares. They shouldn't be focused on in the draft.

OL: We need upgrades for at least 3 positions on the OL. The OT position should be addressed early in the draft. This where I would focus my efforts on offense.

QB: I don't see any QBs worth taking. I'd like to see a totally open and OBJECTIVE competition between Cousins and RGIII. Based on what we saw last season, that would mean Cousins begins the year as our starter.

I know I'm going to do DEFENSE my next post. I think with Garcon you are paying him like a #1 receiver and he is really not a true #1. I use to think so, however you look at everyone else around the league they have a redzone threat that can run ALL routes. Garcon is best at just slant in's at different depths down the field. If we didn't have Jackson's 8+ cap number as well I wouldn't even consider it but we have too much money tied to the WR position. At least Jackson, while limited also as a possession receiver is best at the deep ball. But you cannot throw it to him in the redzone.

My option was to trade Garcon to get an OLINEMAN, thats if someone willing to give up a 2nd (with negotiated new contract). With the top 5 pick there isn't one worth getting an olineman there, they are not rated as high this year. So you might as well go best player available and that's where Cooper comes in. For QB...I don't think you can just pluck one out of the sky. Personally if Mariota or Winston was available to us to me they wouldn't be the answer. Mariota a project (might as well stick with RG in that case) and Winston immaturity. So I agree with you there. So you have to stick to your guns until a QB is available and there is a draft class somewhere down the line with depth at the position (gotta be patient).

I disagree with you about FBs and TEs...while I agree they shouldn't be taken with high picks because we have more prioritized needs I think you get good value past the 4th round. You can get one of the best TEs in college lets say 4th round thats a 6-6 guy and excellent in the redzone. I'd be content with keeping Garcon then.

[mastdark81]

Honestly, I think the offseason focus should be on our DEF. They are in much worse shape..........

But this isn't about offense, so --- IMHO, our offensive issues are mostly tied to the QB. We don't have one. OL is bad, but you don't make the playoffs without a quality QB.

I consider the WR and RB position good for right now. I wouldn't be in support of trading Garcon. And I think drafting Cooper would be disasterous (not because he isn't a good player) under any circumstance. We need to get an OL and QB before we focus on what I call the frosting (RB, pass-catching TE, WR) of the offense. We also have a TON of need on the DEF --- needs incredibly significantly completely more important than WR.

FB and TE -- who cares. They shouldn't be focused on in the draft.

OL: We need upgrades for at least 3 positions on the OL. The OT position should be addressed early in the draft. This where I would focus my efforts on offense.

QB: I don't see any QBs worth taking. I'd like to see a totally open and OBJECTIVE competition between Cousins and RGIII. Based on what we saw last season, that would mean Cousins begins the year as our starter.

Well if Cooper is BPA...

IMHO, WR are never BPA with the #5. The only --- and I mean only -- WR I would have ever taken with a #5 is Calvin Johnson. Everyone knew that guy was going to be a stud. It was a guarantee (outside injury). This is just my personal opinion, but I don't consider RB, TE, WR to be BPA in the first round -- outside of extraordinary circumstances like Johnson.

"BPA" is subjective. BPA to one GM may not be BPA to another. If Cooper were sitting at #5 and I knew a team wanted him ---- I'd be salivating for a trade that would end up being far more "BPA" than any single player.

In my eyes if you think Amari Cooper could be a bonified pro bowler/hall of famer compared to lets say you get OT Brandon Scherff, who many scouts feel he may not even be a legit OT and struggles in pass rush...you get Cooper. To me you get the pro bowler or you trade down and get the OT. Thats best player available in my eyes. Now if you do see a olineman/lb/cb/dlineman that you feel is a pro bowler than I agree you get him over the WR position but I'm just going off of what scouts are saying and outside of 3/4 players there are questions and this is not the draft depth as last year was. The Giants selected Odell Beckham at 12 cause they felt he had hall of fame potential...they could have chosen a Dlineman who they felt was solid and maybe can go to the pro bowl later down the road but they have good judgement that they can nab that type of rock solid lineman talent in the 2nd rd.

[mastdark81]

'Fixing the offense' is just like everything else here - it's going to take more than a couple of seasons ...

some of these 'suggestions' we're seeing seem to imply that we could be contending for a playoff spot in the near future ...

we don't need to really worry about the QB position a) we don't have one and b) we don't have an O line even if we did

we need Scot and Jay to use the next 2 - 3 drafts and build an offensive line and an effective defense - over the next 2 years we have to either find a FA QB or draft 1 and begin to get him ready to play so that in 2017 he's ready to start behind a decent O line

now if Kirk or RG3 can be that guy remains to be seen but it sure doesn't look like either is going to be much

no worries - take our time and start to make this franchise into a competitive unit again

P A T I E N C E - it's going to take years - more than 2 and hopefully less than 5 .... if it's done right

I agree it could take years and it it will but you can solidify positions year to year. You don't think if we draft an OT first round and sign Mike Iupati OG we wouldn't have solidified the oline? Thats just two players and I think we are good there. Next year work on what you can work on, and there-forth. My original post is just listing what I feel are weaknesses of the offense for now and possible options. Doesn't necessarily mean you can fix all in one year but you can try. We have a REAL GM now. There is hope. But once again I do agree you have so many problems on this team (coaching is main one i think) that it will take a few years to a legitimate playoff contender.

[riggofan]

In my eyes if you think Amari Cooper could be a bonified pro bowler/hall of famer compared to lets say you get OT Brandon Scherff, who many scouts feel he may not even be a legit OT and struggles in pass rush...you get Cooper. To me you get the pro bowler or you trade down and get the OT. Thats best player available in my eyes.

That's it right there. The trick is the trading down part. If you're at #5 and you don't have a trade partner - do you reach on the OT or do you take the guy who looks to be the next O. Beckham? If you're drafting BPA, you take Cooper.

SM's approach is that the draft is not there to fill immediate needs. Its to stock your team for the years to come.

[markshark84]

I disagree with you about FBs and TEs...while I agree they shouldn't be taken with high picks because we have more prioritized needs I think you get good value past the 4th round. You can get one of the best TEs in college lets say 4th round thats a 6-6 guy and excellent in the redzone. I'd be content with keeping Garcon then.

In my eyes if you think Amari Cooper could be a bonified pro bowler/hall of famer compared to lets say you get OT Brandon Scherff, who many scouts feel he may not even be a legit OT and struggles in pass rush...you get Cooper. To me you get the pro bowler or you trade down and get the OT. Thats best player available in my eyes. Now if you do see a olineman/lb/cb/dlineman that you feel is a pro bowler than I agree you get him over the WR position but I'm just going off of what scouts are saying and outside of 3/4 players there are questions and this is not the draft depth as last year was. The Giants selected Odell Beckham at 12 cause they felt he had hall of fame potential...they could have chosen a Dlineman who they felt was solid and maybe can go to the pro bowl later down the road but they have good judgement that they can nab that type of rock solid lineman talent in the 2nd rd.

Combined your posts.

I agree generally with the below 4th round value on TEs (not FBs). But I have found that top flight TEs go early, at least earlier than they should. I think in our particular situation, we will be able to find BPA value in a number of different players...... that being said, BPA is most effective in the late rounds.

I also agree with your Cooper paragraph. Part of the rationale behind my statement was that if Cooper is available at #5, it is almost a certainty that a team will be willing to trade up and spend more than value for him. If that is not the case, it wouldn't be ideal, but you go with the player you are most certain will be successful in the NFL.

[mastdark81]

I disagree with you about FBs and TEs...while I agree they shouldn't be taken with high picks because we have more prioritized needs I think you get good value past the 4th round. You can get one of the best TEs in college lets say 4th round thats a 6-6 guy and excellent in the redzone. I'd be content with keeping Garcon then.

In my eyes if you think Amari Cooper could be a bonified pro bowler/hall of famer compared to lets say you get OT Brandon Scherff, who many scouts feel he may not even be a legit OT and struggles in pass rush...you get Cooper. To me you get the pro bowler or you trade down and get the OT. Thats best player available in my eyes. Now if you do see a olineman/lb/cb/dlineman that you feel is a pro bowler than I agree you get him over the WR position but I'm just going off of what scouts are saying and outside of 3/4 players there are questions and this is not the draft depth as last year was. The Giants selected Odell Beckham at 12 cause they felt he had hall of fame potential...they could have chosen a Dlineman who they felt was solid and maybe can go to the pro bowl later down the road but they have good judgement that they can nab that type of rock solid lineman talent in the 2nd rd.

Combined your posts.

I agree generally with the below 4th round value on TEs (not FBs). But I have found that top flight TEs go early, at least earlier than they should. I think in our particular situation, we will be able to find BPA value in a number of different players...... that being said, BPA is most effective in the late rounds.

I also agree with your Cooper paragraph. Part of the rationale behind my statement was that if Cooper is available at #5, it is almost a certainty that a team will be willing to trade up and spend more than value for him. If that is not the case, it wouldn't be ideal, but you go with the player you are most certain will be successful in the NFL.

Yeah FBs are FBs you can get them even undrafted that are decent but I was just saying keep your eyes open because we typically don't bring in no one to compete with Young and his price tag for what they use him for now is hefty so I think they will look that way. I do agree you probably won't get a TOP FLIGHT te past the 4th round, or at least you would'nt think they would drop that far but to me the Redskins don't need a top flight guy. We just need a guy that can block and can threaten in the redzone with his size. Jordan Reed can be used for receiving purposes. Reed can be still the guy in certain packages but we just don't have that big bruising blocker that we can rely on.

[mastdark81]

smh same ole same ole