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Curious of everyones thoughts. One of Scot's big things I got from the press conference was not just building through the draft.... but he takes the best available player, and does not draft for need at all.

A lot of comments in other threads (including my own) have focued around fixing te team by position based drafting, and a lot of FA additions.

So, how much trust, and patience is everyone going to have doing things Scots way, especially when we draft like a lb, rb, or te maybe earlier than we draft other positions of "need"

Prowl33 wrote:Curious of everyones thoughts. One of Scot's big things I got from the press conference was not just building through the draft.... but he takes the best available player, and does not draft for need at all.

A lot of comments in other threads (including my own) have focued around fixing te team by position based drafting, and a lot of FA additions.

So, how much trust, and patience is everyone going to have doing things Scots way, especially when we draft like a lb, rb, or te maybe earlier than we draft other positions of "need"

I agree that you should typically draft best player; HOWEVER, if Scot drafts an RB or TE in the first 2 rounds, I would question his abilities as a GM. I can almost guarantee you won't see him taking a WR, RB, TE in the first couple rounds....... because we literally can use upgrades at every other position on the field outside of those 3 (and punter). He has the luxury of picking based on best available --- because we have so many holes.

glad to hear that he's likely to place a lot more emphasis on the draft

putting names in a hat and drawing them out will produce better players from the draft than what we've done ...

I think that these guys will make a plan for the franchise and start to add players accordingly

any process will be better as long as Snyder is not involved

Prowl33 wrote:Curious of everyones thoughts. One of Scot's big things I got from the press conference was not just building through the draft.... but he takes the best available player, and does not draft for need at all.

A lot of comments in other threads (including my own) have focued around fixing te team by position based drafting, and a lot of FA additions.

So, how much trust, and patience is everyone going to have doing things Scots way, especially when we draft like a lb, rb, or te maybe earlier than we draft other positions of "need"

I just think you have to stick with your guns with the Best Player Available, and you can't focus on a single year. You take the best player you can get with every pick, and in three or four years you should have built a group of quality players. (As opposed to taking a bunch of offensive linemen in the third round because we feel "need" them but they're apparently not good enough to ever get on the field!)

To Mark's point about RB or TE or whatever, I think you can match BPA with needs easier in the first round or two. Don't you agree? They're also looking at "value" with these picks. Teams aren't drafting RBs in the first round these days, so even the very best ones shouldn't have first round value.

SkinsJock wrote:=D> glad to hear that he's likely to place a lot more emphasis on the draft

Man in his radio interview today with Sheehan, talking about the draft he said: "You don't trade four picks away for any player. You try to get MORE picks." I was like, "Woah! Did he forget who hired him or something???"

That comment REALLY impressed me.

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:=D> glad to hear that he's likely to place a lot more emphasis on the draft

Man in his radio interview today with Sheehan, talking about the draft he said: "You don't trade four picks away for any player. You try to get MORE picks." I was like, "Woah! Did he forget who hired him or something???"

That comment REALLY impressed me.

Yea he said they had 13 picks his first year in Seattle...which goes to my point the more you draft the better your chances are of landing players
who will contribute to your football team.'

He also said the Redskins had him at...Private Jet ride...lol

His picks in 1st 5 rounds since 2005:

QB (Alex Smith), T, RB (Gore), T, DT
TE (V. Davis), LB (had 2 in 1st round), WR, RB, DE
LB (Willis), T, WR, DE, LB, S (Goldson), T, CB
DE, G, DB, C
WR (Crabtree), RB, LB, QB
T (Okung), S (Thomas), WR (Tate), CB, DE, DB (Chancellor)
T, G, LB (Wright), WR, DB, DB (Sherman)
DE (Irvin), LB (Wagner), QB (Wilson), RB (Turbin), DT, LB
RB, DT, WR, DT, CB, TE
WR, T, DE, WR, LB, DT

He's had at 6 picks in the first 5 rounds for the past 5 years.

QB = 3
RB = 5
WR = 8
TE = 2
LB = 7
DB = 9
OL = 10
DL = 11

I may have made a mistake or two but this is real close. 1/3 of the picks in rounds 1-5 are offensive skill positions. The other 2/3 are not.

In all rounds in 10 years he's selected 41 pro bowl players which is 4.1 per year

IMO, don't be surprised if he trades down for more picks.

DarthMonk wrote:In all rounds in 10 years he's selected 41 pro bowl players which is 4.1 per year

Hmm . . . 4.1 pro bowl years per year, right? Surely that 41 figure counts, e.g., players who go twice as "2" players.

Irn-Bru wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:In all rounds in 10 years he's selected 41 pro bowl players which is 4.1 per year

Hmm . . . 4.1 pro bowl years per year, right? Surely that 41 figure counts, e.g., players who go twice as "2" players.

No, its really 41 pro bowl players, not just appearances.

DEHog wrote:

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:=D> glad to hear that he's likely to place a lot more emphasis on the draft

Man in his radio interview today with Sheehan, talking about the draft he said: "You don't trade four picks away for any player. You try to get MORE picks." I was like, "Woah! Did he forget who hired him or something???"

That comment REALLY impressed me.

Yea he said they had 13 picks his first year in Seattle...which goes to my point the more you draft the better your chances are of landing players
who will contribute to your football team.'

He also said the Redskins had him at...Private Jet ride...lol

hah, yeah Snyder always get them withe jet! Have you noticed every new hire always seems to mention what a good impression Snyder himself makes on them? They always seem to talk about his passion for the team, desire to win, etc;

Steve Czaban was complaining about that on the radio tonight, and Chris ey said: You may not want to hear this and fans might not want to believe it, but the people around Snyder REALLY LIKE HIM personally.

huh. Who would have guessed? I just can't seem to get past his wrecking our team!

Prowl33 wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:In all rounds in 10 years he's selected 41 pro bowl players which is 4.1 per year

Hmm . . . 4.1 pro bowl years per year, right? Surely that 41 figure counts, e.g., players who go twice as "2" players.

No, its really 41 pro bowl players, not just appearances.

Sorry, my Redskins fan was showing.

I give him all the leeway he needs to do his job. The last 16 years have proven that we need a new approach!!!

Steve Czaban was complaining about that on the radio tonight, and Chris ey said: You may not want to hear this and fans might not want to believe it, but the people around Snyder REALLY LIKE HIM personally.

Well who doesn't want to be friends with a billionaire?? We all love the beautiful girl when we are dating, it's when you live with her that's the real test!!

^ Id add that while Snyder to most fans is the devil and the root of all evil who has singlehandedly distroyed our beloved skins.. No one, however, can deny his love for the team and genuinely wanting/trying to get us back to the glory days. When you're at the top and no one is telling you how bad an idea is to do something that u dont know enough about- you do what ever you think is right... he just happe ed to be horribly wrong on nearly every account.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:^ Id add that while Snyder to most fans is the devil and the root of all evil who has singlehandedly distroyed our beloved skins.. No one, however, can deny his love for the team and genuinely wanting/trying to get us back to the glory days. When you're at the top and no one is telling you how bad an idea is to do something that u dont know enough about- you do what ever you think is right... he just happe ed to be horribly wrong on nearly every account.

I’ve heard this so must now that I actually think his passion for the team and wanting to win so bad have become a negative. It has caused him to listen to fans, non-qualified NFL personnel, and overpay for big name players at the end of their careers. To me the formula for winning is pretty simple but he refused to do it, I can only guess it’s because he wanted it sooner rather than later. Surely he can’t be that naiveté ??

Oh I agree wholeheartedly! If he was ok with the build it up from the bottom over the win now philosophy we would've done a LOT better since he came to town. Listening to fans and what not jumping at the flashy free agents like a squirrel has been exactly what prevented us from building the rifgt way.. all things considered i get it tho. I would like to think I'd have done better in his role, but ultimately he and redskins nation have the same goals; kill dullass win titles and bring home the trophy! Danny boy doesnt strike me as a lifelong football player or coach- of any sport for that matter. . Just a rich fanboy whom probably still has his wife explain what a reverse is or what the difference between strong and free safety is! Lmao

I think you're both pretty close - it seems to me that Dan probably bought into a lot of what he was hearing from the media and fans and felt that the Redskins were not far off the pace and hence the free agent acquisitions and the short term outlook

whatever - it just happened over such a long period and he never seemed to 'get it' ...

hopefully Dan stays away from things here and lets these guys (primarily Scot & Jay) do their thing - if he gets involved at all, I guarantee that Scott will 'listen' and that will be a huge mistake

Dan Snyder does not have a clue about college players potential in the NFL

OR

about what impact or help a free agent might be to this franchise

ZERO - this guy is hopeless ...

Link to a good article summing up Scots drafting points from presser for anyone that didnt watch it.

http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blog ... nd=ref~%7B"ref"%3A"https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F"%7D

“I’m never under the assumption that you draft for need,” McCloughan said. “You draft the best available football player on the board. You know people say, ‘Well, if you have this and this, why would you do that?’ Because, you know, in the long run, they are the ones who will help you win the most games."

Prowl33 wrote:Curious of everyones thoughts. One of Scot's big things I got from the press conference was not just building through the draft.... but he takes the best available player, and does not draft for need at all.

A lot of comments in other threads (including my own) have focued around fixing te team by position based drafting, and a lot of FA additions.

So, how much trust, and patience is everyone going to have doing things Scots way, especially when we draft like a lb, rb, or te maybe earlier than we draft other positions of "need"

This guy's record SCREAMS "I got this".
I have always advocated BPA... it's what built Green Bay, Seattle, and San Fran... In 10 years, 41 of this guy's selections have gone to the Pro Bowl .

Our record screams, "GIVE THIS GUY THE KEYS... NOW!!!"

BTW, my expectation is that he is going to try to accumulate picks... lots of them... we may not be drafting in round one again this year. I have no problem with that. Scot does pretty damned will with later picks.

I think we have a good chance to find some way to trade down to the browns and get both of their 1st round picks.

Then we can use one to get a good player and one to trade back and get more picks for this year and next.

Also i'd like to point out something about how Scots draft strategy works. Basing this off of this quote.

“The thing I liked about what we did in San Fran, what we did in Seattle: We drafted our own, molded our own and re-signed the ones we wanted to re-sign,” McCloughan said. “So all of a sudden now, you train them how you want to train them. See, in Washington, we’re going to draft these guys and we are going to draft them and mold them as Redskins. We’re not going to have to go out to other organizations and bring in 32- and 33-year-olds who have different plans.”

Think about this. The cheapest players are the ones you draft. You keep the good ones, you let the not so good ones move on. Once you build up to too many good players, you pay the best ones well, the rest you let hit FA because they dont represent your best value.

Move that line of thinking into picking up players from FA. Often times these are players that their team didnt think was worth the money to keep over other players (not saying they arent good) so when you build a team from FA you are not getting great value typically (there are exceptions to everything)

Eventually you build a culture and team that will give you a home team discount when it comes to signing new deals or restructuring, representing great value. Look at New England and Tom Brady, Brady took a big pay cut just to give the team additional cap space to spend elsewhere, he could demand to be one of the top 3 paid QBs in the NFL and get it, but he doesnt, winning with his team is more important.

That is what we should be striving for, that is Scots plan, just a matter of if he can execute it, and if the 2 men above him are patient and allow him to.

DEHog wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:^ Id add that while Snyder to most fans is the devil and the root of all evil who has singlehandedly distroyed our beloved skins.. No one, however, can deny his love for the team and genuinely wanting/trying to get us back to the glory days. When you're at the top and no one is telling you how bad an idea is to do something that u dont know enough about- you do what ever you think is right... he just happe ed to be horribly wrong on nearly every account.

I’ve heard this so must now that I actually think his passion for the team and wanting to win so bad have become a negative. It has caused him to listen to fans, non-qualified NFL personnel, and overpay for big name players at the end of their careers. To me the formula for winning is pretty simple but he refused to do it, I can only guess it’s because he wanted it sooner rather than later. Surely he can’t be that naiveté ??

Yeah that's a really good point. I had not thought about it that way. As a fan, I've always liked that we have this owner with the deep pockets willing to do whatever, spend whatever, etc; to get the players and pieces we supposedly needed. That's probably worked against us more often than not.

btw - I did not mean to imply that Scot is in any way likely to take advice or want advice from Dan Snyder ...

I just want Dan to stay away from him

I think this guy has a clue about how to fix what is wrong here and given time will surround himself with a much better FO and scouting department than we've had in a long time

I'm all for building by drafting only using FA to supplement the core group.