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A different Robert post. Gruden is reportedly done with Robert
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/12/4/7 ... den-rumors

Comments? Buy or sell?

I do believe the reports that Robert isn't listening to his coaches by the way.

EA7649 wrote:A different Robert post. Gruden is reportedly done with Robert
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/12/4/7 ... den-rumors

Comments? Buy or sell?

I do believe the reports that Robert isn't listening to his coaches by the way.

This is just a regurgitation of another article (I think it was a cbs sports one).

I wouldn't put too much weight into this story. The media sees an opportunity to gain revenue via internet clicks by fabricating a story and is taking advantage of it.

And if this is actually true, we will know by sunday --- because if he's truly done with RGIII, he'll be 3rd string and not suiting up.

I think Gruden is playing this perfectly. Griffin needed his ego busted. He needs grounded. Benching him will hopefully do that. He became bigger than the team and it seems like the team is suffering as a result. I think Gruden convinced Allen and Snyder to be on the same page with this. Snyder and Allen have stripped his franchise player label away from him. Taken some of the perks away. And honestly, they needed to. The guy really hasn't done crap except chirp away on social media and act like his poop doesn't stink. He needs some humility. I think he needs developed and it's gonna take a couple years to do that but that wasn't going to happen if Griffin continued to act like his play wasn't at fault. I don't think Gruden is done with him, but I do think this is a big fat warning shot. He needs to start spending more time of his craft then his brand or he's gone. We'll see how Griffin responds over the offseason. I'm hoping he spends it quietly, developing the way his coaches want him to.

I think that RGMe is a cancer in the locker room ... way too much selfishness, delusion, and entitlement. I think if they could trade him for a 3rd or 4th round draft pick ... good riddance. I hope this serves as a lesson to the Redskins Front Office never to trade multiple high picks for 1 player ... it's just too much of a gamble ... and there are no sure bets. I would rather have a bunch of hard working blue collar guys that work on their craft and don't think of themselves as "too big to be coached" rather than one highly touted egomaniac that thinks about himself only and never the team. This is why his own teammates abandoned him (nobody likes him other than incompetent Danny Synder and his puppet Bruce Allen; along with a few delusional fans that are still living in the past). RGMe was the "Ryan Leaf of the 2012 Draft" -- and this debacle has set our team back a good 5 years. And to think we could have had Russell Wilson or Nick Foles in the 3rd round -- and kept our bevy of high picks (three #1's and one #2).

http://supportthename.info/posts/136062 ... _over.html

Article pretty much calls the "Gruden hates Robert" article a sham.. and insists RG3 might regain his spot on the depth chart.

Take your pick I guess. Adam is one of the more reliable sources imo.. With RG only playing vs STOUT pass rushing teams (even TB has a better D then anyome here will admit- look at who the coach is) and Colt playing a couple of crappy Ds and the luxury of having mr TW. I think this St. Louis game is pivotal for Colt to keep the starting role.

HogHeaven1983 wrote:I think that RGMe is a cancer in the locker room ... way too much selfishness, delusion, and entitlement. I think if they could trade him for a 3rd or 4th round draft pick ... good riddance. I hope this serves as a lesson to the Redskins Front Office never to trade multiple high picks for 1 player ... it's just too much of a gamble ... and there are no sure bets. I would rather have a bunch of hard working blue collar guys that work on their craft and don't think of themselves as "too big to be coached" rather than one highly touted egomaniac that thinks about himself only and never the team. This is why his own teammates abandoned him (nobody likes him other than incompetent Danny Synder and his puppet Bruce Allen; along with a few delusional fans that are still living in the past). RGMe was the "Ryan Leaf of the 2012 Draft" -- and this debacle has set our team back a good 5 years. And to think we could have had Russell Wilson or Nick Foles in the 3rd round -- and kept our bevy of high picks (three #1's and one #2).

Do you know Robert? Follow him on social media?
While I agree Baylor didnt set him up for success as a proper qb in the nfl, NONE of what you posted is factual and pure speculation- with mad colored glasses on. Our record this year is rg3s fault dispite a pretty big injury and only playing 4 games?
Entitled? RGme? Maybe Danny boy shouldnt have treated Robert like the prince.. and how is it his fault that he did?

I get being mad. But to scapegoat rg is thoughtless and short sighted. The cancer in DC isnt at qb.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:

HogHeaven1983 wrote: Do you know Robert? Follow him on social media? While I agree Baylor didn't set him up for success as a proper qb in the nfl, NONE of what you posted is factual and pure speculation- with mad colored glasses on. Our record this year is rg3s fault despite a pretty big injury and only playing 4 games?
Entitled? RGme? Maybe Danny boy shouldn't have treated Robert like the prince.. and how is it his fault that he did? I get being mad. But to scapegoat rg is thoughtless and short sighted. The cancer in DC isnt at qb.

1. Delusional about his body. RGMe was MAD and made it public he was mad about being benched against Cleveland in 2012 after his first knee injury. He claimed he was ready to play and healthy. One game later against Philadelphia, we ALL SAW he was still injured and hobbling and not the same QB. Even a game after that against Dallas he was still clearly injured and hobbling. And a game after that against Seattle in the playoff game, it was clear he was still injured. So WHY throw a temper tantrum 3 weeks earlier when we were playing Cleveland that he was healthy and ready to play. Clearly it was more important to RGMe that he play vs. what's best for the team.

2. Continued delusion about his body -- then blames others. In the playoff game against Seattle in 2012. RGMe continued to tell Shanahan and the sideline doctor he was "hurting but not injured" and he could play -- even after we all saw him tear his knee ligaments more during his second TD pass and watched him wince in pain and throw his helmet down on the sidelines. He refused to come out and tell anyone how injured he was. It was more important to him to PLAY vs. come out and protect the teams investment in him and let another QB play. Some might call that heroic. But there is a huge difference between heroic and stupid. Worse yet was how RGM3 BLAMED the Shanahans for leaving him in the game later on. It's interesting how he twisted everyone's arm to leave him in the game -- which guaranteed a Redskins loss since they could do NOTHING offensively for 3.5 quarters after he partially tore his knee ligaments in the first quarter. And only when he completely tore his knee ligaments in the forth quarter did he finally allow himself to come out of the game (after he could no longer stand).

3. Complete focus on SELF vs the team in the offseason. Then he proceeded to make videos about his rehab and used social media to squawk about how he was "ALL IN FOR WEEK 1" ... that he practically demanded to be the starter come week 1 of the 2013 season against the Eagles on Monday night. THen he starting saying in August how "Promises were made -- and there'd be hell to pay if the redskins coaches broke their word that he would start in week 1". Then we all watched him trot out in week 1 -- start -- and suck royally. Clearly he wasnt ready to play -- So why throw another temper tantrum that you are READY and ABLE. He would rather be the starter and have the Redskins lose. His needs are much more important than the teams needs.

4. When the Shanahans finally got fed up with RGMe and his antics and saw he wasnt executing their game plans -- he was finally benched at the end of the 2013 season. This led RGMe to campaign hard with Snyder to fire the Shanahans. After all the needs of a delusional QB are much more important than a good coaching staff.

5. When the Redskins hired Gruden, RGMe declared that Gruden make him a pocket passer and not a running QB. Gruden after saying that it would be dumb to turn RGMe into a pocket passer -- since he had such great skill as a runner --- changed his tune after getting smacked down by the owner Danny and RGMe. Sure it's completely normal for players to dictate to the coaches how to coach them and what they are and are not willing to do.

6. Now that a second coaching staff has benched RGMe, it's becoming clear to all of us that the problem is with RGMe and not the coaching staffs. The nail in the coffin was his mouth especially after the high school like performance of the QB against Tampa Bay (a team with only 1 win!) -- where RGMe called out his teammates that they are not playing good enough for him to be good. Chris ey's film breakdown laid all the cards on the table that RGMe sucked in that game -- and that ey could not even grade the rest of the offense because the QB play was so bad.

7. RGMe is more concerned with his "brand" and endorsement deals with Subway and other companies -- rather than working on improving his skills. He does not put in time in the film room -- and knows better than the coaching staff -- so he basically ignores his coaches. Yes, RGM3 is un-coachable. We saw that clearly this year as RGMe has REGRESSED as a pocket passer -- he's not slowly getting better -- he's getting worse. He's also alienated the locker room -- and nobody on the team likes him. He is about as far from a team leader as you can get. Why would you stick with a cancer like this .... He's just another Ryan Leaf. Trade him for whatever you can get -- shoot I would take a conditional seventh rounder if I could get it.

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Let me point ut that RGIII is a political science major, did very well at it according to reports. Beware anthing he says or does in public.

oj wrote:Let me point ut that RGIII is a political science major, did very well at it according to reports. Beware anything he says or does in public.

well, that is certainly insightful and helpful to better understand the QB issue here

How the hell are there two extremely different "reports"? There has to be some truth in the one written by Reid. I wonder if the "real chance" Griffin has to reclaim the starting job is just smoke and mirrors trying to play up his trade value.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:http://supportthename.info/posts/1360629/report___real_chance__rgiii_will_be_redskin_s_starting_qb_before_season_is_over.html

Article pretty much calls the "Gruden hates Robert" article a sham.. and insists RG3 might regain his spot on the depth chart.

Take your pick I guess. Adam is one of the more reliable sources imo.. With RG only playing vs STOUT pass rushing teams (even TB has a better D then anyome here will admit- look at who the coach is) and Colt playing a couple of crappy Ds and the luxury of having mr TW. I think this St. Louis game is pivotal for Colt to keep the starting role.

I agree that Adam is typically a reliable source. So there very well may be truth to that. The benching could be a test to see whether RGIII can be humbled. And if he is, they could go back to him. Who knows.

Personally, I think there is some truth to the Reid article and when the redskins camp got word of it, they did their best to do damage control and made a call (albeit directly or indirectly) to one of the more reliable NFL sources in Scheffner. Then again, this is all speculation. Gruden is most likely the only person that truly knows how Gruden feels.

This franchise has become very good at all this - we just change the guys leaking the 'reports' is all

it's like everything else here - nothing is as bad as speculated and for sure nothing positive comes of any of this

SkinsJock wrote:

oj wrote:Let me point ut that RGIII is a political science major, did very well at it according to reports. Beware anything he says or does in public.

well, that is certainly insightful and helpful to better understand the QB issue here

lol.

Two completely contradictory reports about that story this morning. I'd just warn everyone against cherry picking the reporter you want to believe. We'll just have to wait and see.

Even so, the "him or me" article seems a little hard to believe, and when I read it this morning I was thinking, "Where the hell did THIS come from?" I don't quite understand how Gruden has Robert dressed as the #2 QB, but he is completely done with him. Unless things are much more dysfunctional at Redskins Park than we can imagine.

Which maybe isn't that hard to imagine, eh?

I bet than Snyder and Snyder's Puppet (Bruce Allen) told Gruden he could elevate McCoy to #1 if and only if he kept RGMe active as the #2. As a smoke screen at Redskins park to make it look like the RG3 situation is not as bad as it looks and that drafting RGMe and giving up three #1's and a #2 is not as much as a total disaster as it appears. It's a ploy by Snyder and Allen to save face.

This is the DC sports media and I'm sure there's some basis for things but to get to the extreme that some here and some of the media are at just seems far fetched to me

I am a RG3 fan but I'm a Redskins fan first - as bad as the situation is I tend to lean towards what I hope is happening than the opposite

I don't read a lot of the negative posts anymore ( I do get some) and I'm fine with that but I do read a lot of the press stuff and it's just amazing to me that these guys can be so far apart in their firm belief about what is actually happening

I guess this is what happens when you are a franchise that's as bad as we are, with not a lot to go on for next season

hopefully after this season, Dan Snyder will see what he's doing is not working - I'm starting to think it may come to him or me

Stuff like this reminds me of Hunter Thompson when he worked for both daily papers in Miami, he'd start a rumer on the morning paper to deny it in the evening paper. Lets hope this is just the rumermill creating rumers.

All in all I think that Rg3 gets blame for piss poor coaching tactics. He had a red carpet rolled out for him and has been given to long of a leash since day one.
he is self centered because he wants to play and help his team win? I dont get that stance.
its the coaches job to know when a player is ready or when a pkayer is just being a player and wanting to play.
WE built him up.. now we want to break him down and humble him.. cool. He came in humble but was given a golden ticket. Should have NEVER been voted team captain his rookie year- he shouldve had to earn it. Like every thing else. The special treatments shouldve never happened and I personally cant say Robert is a bad guy cus someone else allowed him to have special privileges.

Qb comp in the offseason is the ONLY way to move forward. Anything else would be biased one way or another

I'm an RGIII fan, and even now I'm holding out hope that he can find a way to reboot his NFL career over the next 10 months.

That said, if Gruden decided that it wasn't going to work out based on what he's been able to see the past year, then I'd support it. I'm all for looking forward at this point and trying to find a way to win. We'll undoubtedly hear about how big the investment was to bring RGIII here, but the reality is that it simply doesn't matter. You don't hold on to (e.g.) a lousy stock just because you paid a lot for it to begin with. Liquidate your mistakes and work your plan for future success. It's not Gruden's fault that RGIII is here or that we traded multiple high draft picks to get him. What Gruden is responsible for is making decisions that will help the Redskins in 2015.

Again, I hope these reports aren't true and that RGIII still has a chance that he takes full advantage of. Nevertheless:

What does it say about such a high profile player at the QB position having two consecutive coaching staffs not want to work with him and bench him. That's about as bad as it gets. As a matter of fact -- I don't ever recall it happening before in the NFL -- at least not with such a high profile player who an entire organization has mortgaged its future for. Remember Gruden was hand picked by Snyder and RG3 as someone willing to work with RG3 and develop him! And after 1/2 a season Gruden is OUT of the RG3 business. WOW -- what turn of events.

I dont get how Robert wanting to play- injured even- is a knock on his character. Ohno plays w a punctured lung, cracked ribs, fractured spine, cracked ribs again (come to find out) and puke fans rave about his grit. Rg gets deemed RGme after leading us to the playoffs and wanting to see it through.. something Romo has done just as many times, in a muuuuch longer career. It just blows my mind to see skins fans use that slur w no inside knowledge of how he is with his peers.

We are all sick of losing- and turning into an Oakland eaque team isnt fun. However, its been proven, by both teams along w Clevland, qb carousels teamed with coach carousels is a recipe for disaster. If Rob cant learn the foot work the playbook the reads and mental stuff this offseason then that's up to Gruden- move on or change the offense. Protectuon must be improved either way.

I just think that as fans we demand a change, but sometimes you have to stay the course and see things through.

I wonder if Cam and Kap are getting torn up on their fan forums for playing like dodoo with no injuries or sytem changes to speak of.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:I wonder if Cam and Kap are getting torn up on their fan forums for playing like dodoo with no injuries or sytem changes to speak of.

Absolutely. I've heard Panthers fans screaming for Derek Anderson, and 49ers fans have ZERO confidence in Kaepernick.

With regards to him being relegated to #2, C00ley was speculating on the radio yesterday that that was a mandate from Allen/Snyder. He also said keeping him at #2 means nothing towards his trade value. He said as long as he's not playing, he has zero trade value.

HogHeaven1983 wrote:What does it say about such a high profile player at the QB position having two consecutive coaching staffs not want to work with him and bench him. That's about as bad as it gets. As a matter of fact -- I don't ever recall it happening before in the NFL -- at least not with such a high profile player who an entire organization has mortgaged its future for. Remember Gruden was hand picked by Snyder and RG3 as someone willing to work with RG3 and develop him! And after 1/2 a season Gruden is OUT of the RG3 business. WOW -- what turn of events.

please provide a link supporting this statement - otherwise it's just more piling on IMO