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Just when you thought Gruden couldn't get any more harsh on Griffin, this comes out:

On Griffin's "audition" to be the franchise: "He's auditioned long enough. Clock's ticking. He's got to play."

On Griffin's last two outings: "We'll see. We want Robert to excel, we really do. But the last two games, it hasn't been very good, anywhere [so much for that "he played good in Minnesota"]. We gotta play better around him. And the biggest thing for us as playcallers, and for him, we just have to come together and jell with plays he's comfortable with. That takes time. But we don't have a lot of time."

When asked about Griffin's response to criticism: "His biggest thing, he's been coddled for so long, it's not a negative he's just been so good, he just hasn't had a lot of negative publicity. Everybody's loved him. Some adversity is striking hard at him now, and how he reacts to that off the field, his mental state of mind, how it affects his confidence, hopefully it's not in a negative way."

On McCoy/Griffin: "We have a guy behind him that played pretty well, and people are looking, 'OK, he's 2-0,'. There's always pressure on the quarterback to perform. And if you don't perform, like any other position, somebody's behind you pushing you."

When your head coach is coming out and saying this like this, this is a pretty clear message, IMO.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... -iiis-play

Gruden also said, "Since the preseason, in the games that he's played, our production from an offensive standpoint has been awful. I think five touchdowns in all the drives he's played, for whatever reason, and that's not good. We're still trying to figure that out."

Does anyone honestly think Gruden believes Griffin is the guy?

I read that last night too, but I don't think he was using "coddled" correctly. He says "coddled" but then immediately goes on to say:

"it's not a negative he's just been so good, he just hasn't had a lot of negative publicity. Everybody's loved him. Some adversity is striking hard at him now, and how he reacts to that off the field, his mental state of mind, how it affects his confidence, hopefully it's not in a negative way."

It seems to me that all he was saying is that RGIII hasn't had to deal with a lot of criticism in his career to date because he's been so good. That's fair and accurate, and not an especially damning statement.

The rest of those quotes are pretty damning, IMO.

StorminMormon86 wrote:Does anyone honestly think Gruden believes Griffin is the guy?

I don't "honestly" know, but it has seemed since the preseason like he's had reservations about Griffin at the least. I always remember Gruden's reaction when Cousins lit up Jacksonville.

StorminMormon86 wrote:The rest of those quotes are pretty damning, IMO.

His comments after the Bucs game were damning. This is just honest. But people will read into it what they want.

riggofan wrote:His comments after the Bucs game were damning. This is just honest. But people will read into it what they want.

I agree that these are honest comments. But it's still pretty damning considering he's publicly stating that the clock's ticking on Griffin's job. Who would've thought we would have ever heard that going into year 3 with him?

StorminMormon86 wrote:

riggofan wrote:His comments after the Bucs game were damning. This is just honest. But people will read into it what they want.

I agree that these are honest comments. But it's still pretty damning considering he's publicly stating that the clock's ticking on Griffin's job. Who would've thought we would have ever heard that going into year 3 with him?

I guess I see what you're saying. Its definitely an acknowledgement that its time to step up or move on.

StorminMormon86 wrote:Gruden also said, "Since the preseason, in the games that he's played, our production from an offensive standpoint has been awful. I think five touchdowns in all the drives he's played, for whatever reason, and that's not good. We're still trying to figure that out."

Does anyone honestly think Gruden believes Griffin is the guy?

that's not the way I see it - Gruden is trying to determine if Robert is going to be the QB he can rely on in the future and even more importantly Gruden thinks that of the 3 QBs, Robert gives the offense a better chance of success in the next game

I think Gruden is very concerned about Robert's play and his progress but he also knows that Kirl and Colt are not going to be best for the offense in the next game - if Colt or Kirk were kicking ass in practice and Robert was stinking the place up as badly as most here think he is, Robert would not be starting the next game

Does anyone honestly think Gruden believes Colt or Kirk should be the starting QB this week?

riggofan wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:

riggofan wrote:His comments after the Bucs game were damning. This is just honest. But people will read into it what they want.

I agree that these are honest comments. But it's still pretty damning considering he's publicly stating that the clock's ticking on Griffin's job. Who would've thought we would have ever heard that going into year 3 with him?

I guess I see what you're saying. Its definitely an acknowledgement that its time to step up or move on.

It's time for Robert to step up is all - and he's being given that time because Gruden thinks he's worth the time

SkinsJock wrote:Does anyone honestly think Gruden believes Colt or Kirk should be the starting QB this week?

Yes.

SkinsJock wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:Gruden also said, "Since the preseason, in the games that he's played, our production from an offensive standpoint has been awful. I think five touchdowns in all the drives he's played, for whatever reason, and that's not good. We're still trying to figure that out."

Does anyone honestly think Gruden believes Griffin is the guy?

that's not the way I see it - Gruden is trying to determine if Robert is going to be the QB he can rely on in the future and even more importantly Gruden thinks that of the 3 QBs, Robert gives the offense a better chance of success in the next game

I think Gruden is very concerned about Robert's play and his progress but he also knows that Kirl and Colt are not going to be best for the offense in the next game - if Colt or Kirk were kicking ass in practice and Robert was stinking the place up as badly as most here think he is, Robert would not be starting the next game

Does anyone honestly think Gruden believes Colt or Kirk should be the starting QB this week?

You do realize that this team has an owner and a fake GM who made the move to give up 2 first round picks to aquire RG3? The coach does not have entire control of who is starting regardless of who he thinks the better QB is unless you have some insider info or you are Jay Grudens Psychiatrist. I'm sure you have figured out how this team is ran by now and benching RG3 would esentially mean that the team has given up on him which in turn would mean we have no idea what we are doing when it comes to drafting players. He is in evaluation period for the rest of the season...not because he is currently the best qb on the roster but because he was the second pick of the draft and a high profile player. He has done nothing in 2 years and he has 6 games to prove he is not Ryan Leaf

No! I don't realize that at all - I don't agree with your ideas on how the franchise is being managed or why Gruden is doing what he's doing

it may be that Dan Snyder is continuing to mis-manage the franchise but if that's really true then it does not make any difference who the QB is or who the HC is or who the GM is

there's no reason to analyze anything




btw - good luck with everything, you're going to need a lot of help

Agreed. No more sugar coating this issue. RGIII has to put up or shut up. I think Gruden needs to give RGIII some play calls to better suit his current skill set but the writing is on the wall. This also is a message to Dan the Little Man...don't "spoil" a prized 1st round QB; i.e. don't coddle any of your players.

I just think of all those #10 jerseys that will not be worn by fans much longer.

GoSkins wrote:Agreed. No more sugar coating this issue. RGIII has to put up or shut up. I think Gruden needs to give RGIII some play calls to better suit his current skill set but the writing is on the wall. This also is a message to Dan the Little Man...don't "spoil" a prized 1st round QB; i.e. don't coddle any of your players.

There is no wake up call from midget man. He has Napoleon Syndrome and we will be stuck in mediocrity until he sells the team. He is still meddling in the coaches decisions, getting close players, and acting like a short little spoiled brat.

Cappster wrote:

GoSkins wrote:Agreed. No more sugar coating this issue. RGIII has to put up or shut up. I think Gruden needs to give RGIII some play calls to better suit his current skill set but the writing is on the wall. This also is a message to Dan the Little Man...don't "spoil" a prized 1st round QB; i.e. don't coddle any of your players.

There is no wake up call from midget man. He has Napoleon Syndrome and we will be stuck in mediocrity until he sells the team. He is still meddling in the coaches decisions, getting close players, and acting like a short little spoiled brat.

Evidence?

StorminMormon86 wrote:Just when you thought Gruden couldn't get any more harsh on Griffin, this comes out:

On Griffin's "audition" to be the franchise: "He's auditioned long enough. Clock's ticking. He's got to play."

On Griffin's last two outings: "We'll see. We want Robert to excel, we really do. But the last two games, it hasn't been very good, anywhere [so much for that "he played good in Minnesota"]. We gotta play better around him. And the biggest thing for us as playcallers, and for him, we just have to come together and jell with plays he's comfortable with. That takes time. But we don't have a lot of time."

When asked about Griffin's response to criticism: "His biggest thing, he's been coddled for so long, it's not a negative he's just been so good, he just hasn't had a lot of negative publicity. Everybody's loved him. Some adversity is striking hard at him now, and how he reacts to that off the field, his mental state of mind, how it affects his confidence, hopefully it's not in a negative way."

On McCoy/Griffin: "We have a guy behind him that played pretty well, and people are looking, 'OK, he's 2-0,'. There's always pressure on the quarterback to perform. And if you don't perform, like any other position, somebody's behind you pushing you."

When your head coach is coming out and saying this like this, this is a pretty clear message, IMO.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... -iiis-play

I'm not sure what's supposed to be so damning about this. This is exactly what we want to see from a coach, correct? Get the best out of your players; if they don't perform, be ready to move on. Gruden is saying that RGIII's time is running out (note, it hasn't run out yet) and that he needs to show improvement to keep the job.

Robert still has the full support of his coaches; otherwise, he wouldn't be starting. Saying that he needs to do better or else the Skins will look elsewhere means that the coaches believe he can produce at a high level. I'm sure that Griffin will have been getting that message this week.

I'm sure snyder is less involved then he used to be but benching your "franchise qb" does not happen unless you have the owner and general managers blessing. I think Cousins would have won the last two games if he were starting personally. Cousins has turnover issues but at least he puts up points. I keep waiting for Robert to light it up and every game he is like a dud fire cracker on the 4th of July. The only thing he does well is tuck the ball and take sacks. How come this teams sacks triple when he is playing? You know the answer

I have no problem with what Gruden has said or done and I don't take it to mean anything more than he wants Robert to show that he is the QB that Gruden and the franchise needs ...

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there is no doubt in my mind that Robert is taking it the right way and fully understands that he's got to step up and show that the last 2 weeks are not a good indication of his playing to his capabilities at all

IMO - there are many here that are reading way too much negativity into everything being 'reported'

Robert has not played well and the bottom line is the franchise needs him to step up
I'm very sure that Robert, Gruden and McVay will find a way to make the offense work better this week

I'll go out on a limb and predict that if the offense does not improve this week it will not be because of the QB - and if Robert struggles at all, he may find himself on the sidelines

Everybody but Griffin himself can see he is hapless. Thanks to Gruden now Griffin knows he's one of the problems.

Irn-Bru wrote:I'm not sure what's supposed to be so damning about this. This is exactly what we want to see from a coach, correct? Get the best out of your players; if they don't perform, be ready to move on. Gruden is saying that RGIII's time is running out (note, it hasn't run out yet) and that he needs to show improvement to keep the job.

Robert still has the full support of his coaches; otherwise, he wouldn't be starting. Saying that he needs to do better or else the Skins will look elsewhere means that the coaches believe he can produce at a high level. I'm sure that Griffin will have been getting that message this week.

Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but I'm getting that Gruden is basically telling Griffin his job is not safe and that his leash is short. The damning part about this all is we're actually having this discussion about a guy in his 3rd year who was supposed to be our franchise for the next ten years.

I'm not 100% sold on the theory that Griffin has the support of his coaches. A part of me thinks one big reason as to why Gruden went back to Griffin as the starter was to showcase how inept he is at running the style of offense Gruden wants to run. Kind of a "see what we have here" to Allen and Snyder.

From Jason Reid's Twitter:

JReidPost: Rapped with someone in the organization last night. Guy reiterated Gruden and McVay are just so done with 10. Again, winter is coming.

CanesSkins26 wrote:From Jason Reid's Twitter:

JReidPost: Rapped with someone in the organization last night. Guy reiterated Gruden and McVay are just so done with 10. Again, winter is coming.

This is not the first time I've heard "sources" that have said both McVay and Gruden are frustrated with Griffin failing to grasp their offense.

elprez19 wrote:I'm sure snyder is less involved then he used to be but benching your "franchise qb" does not happen unless you have the owner and general managers blessing. I think Cousins would have won the last two games if he were starting personally. Cousins has turnover issues but at least he puts up points. I keep waiting for Robert to light it up and every game he is like a dud fire cracker on the 4th of July. The only thing he does well is tuck the ball and take sacks. How come this teams sacks triple when he is playing? You know the answer

What makes you think Cousins would've won those games, his only win this year was against Jax and I don't think he won any games last year? His turnovers are killers and it's why he's not even dressed the last couple weeks and our defense is why we lost to Minnesota not our QB. With that said, if RG3 struggles tomorrow I can see him getting yanked as i believe he's on a shorter leash than he's ever been on. Gruden basically said last week he thought about it but the game didn't get out of hand until late so he's at least considered pulling him before and will pull him if he plays as inept as he did last week. Will be interesting to see if Cousins dresses tomorrow.