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FCC will consider petition to ban 'Redskins'
Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:14 pm
by SKINS#1
This does not sound good for the Redskins. This Political Correct BS has gone way overboard on this issue.
Just read this news on Yahoo Sports.
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The head of the Federal Communications Commission says the agency will consider a petition to ban the Washington Redskins nickname from the public airwaves.
FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler says Tuesday that the commission ''will be dealing with that issue on the merits, and we'll be responding accordingly.''
Re: FCC will consider petition to ban 'Redskins'
Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:58 pm
by yupchagee
It's official. The inmates have taken over the asylum.
Re: FCC will consider petition to ban 'Redskins'
Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:36 pm
by EA7649
Wow, that's low. But its only consider. And lol^
Re: FCC will consider petition to ban 'Redskins'
Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:05 am
by Hooligan
Kind of like how the White House must "consider" and respond to petitions that reach a certain number of signatures?
Re: FCC will consider petition to ban 'Redskins'
Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:59 am
by hanburgerheel
The same FCC (an appointed body, not elected and answerable only to the President) that decided- decades ago- that Radio and TV are not protected under the Free Speech provisions of the 1st Amendment of the Constitution? That FCC? F'em!
Re: FCC will consider petition to ban 'Redskins'
Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:21 pm
by EA7649
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutd ... 37825.htmlWow now that's a new low! The government is going to do a bribe deal with the NFL. Can't be a non-profit unless you change the Redskins name. Lawyer up because that has to be illegal!?
SMH
Re: FCC will consider petition to ban 'Redskins'
Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 2:49 am
by fabe
hanburgerheel wrote:The same FCC (an appointed body, not elected and answerable only to the President) that decided- decades ago- that Radio and TV are not protected under the Free Speech provisions of the 1st Amendment of the Constitution? That FCC? F'em!
My thoughts exactly!
Also, isn't the FCC 2 years younger than the Washington Redskins? And they're just now stepping forward with this? Yeah, f*** them indeed.
Re: FCC will consider petition to ban 'Redskins'
Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 2:56 am
by fabe
EA7649 wrote:http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/congress-looking-to-take-nfl-s-tax-break-away-if-it-doesn-t-change-redskins-name-222237825.html
Wow now that's a new low! The government is going to do a bribe deal with the NFL. Can't be a non-profit unless you change the Redskins name. Lawyer up because that has to be illegal!?
SMH
That will be the final straw, for sure. The NFL is NOT going to give up it's tax exemption, and I
could see them threatening to taking the team out of the league until the name is changed. They are not above going to that kind of extreme in order to protect their finances.
"The NFL greed is so widespread that they’ve chosen to operate as a tax-exempt organization. So we want to take that choice away from them unless, and until, they decide not to profit from a name that has now officially been declared a racial slur," Norton said on the ESPN/ABC podcast “Capital Games,” according to ABCNews.com.
NOW officially been declared. NOW! Offcially! In 2014! F*** this horse s***! Who "declared" it anyways?
Re: FCC will consider petition to ban 'Redskins'
Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 8:41 am
by Deadskins
fabe wrote:EA7649 wrote:http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/congress-looking-to-take-nfl-s-tax-break-away-if-it-doesn-t-change-redskins-name-222237825.html
Wow now that's a new low! The government is going to do a bribe deal with the NFL. Can't be a non-profit unless you change the Redskins name. Lawyer up because that has to be illegal!?
SMH
That will be the final straw, for sure. The NFL is NOT going to give up it's tax exemption, and I
could see them threatening to taking the team out of the league until the name is changed. They are not above going to that kind of extreme in order to protect their finances.
"The NFL greed is so widespread that they’ve chosen to operate as a tax-exempt organization. So we want to take that choice away from them unless, and until, they decide not to profit from a name that has now officially been declared a racial slur," Norton said on the ESPN/ABC podcast “Capital Games,” according to ABCNews.com.
NOW officially been declared. NOW! Offcially! In 2014! F*** this horse s***! Who "declared" it anyways?
Officially? Really? What officials?
Re: FCC will consider petition to ban 'Redskins'
Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 9:27 am
by riggofan
Read something the other day about the legal perspective of this. Wish I could find it again, but it seemed pretty clear from the article that whether you find the name offensive or not, it doesn't fit in the narrow category of words that the FCC actually the ability to ban. There's no argument to be made that the word is "obscene", and the FCC has already ruled in the past that it can't restrict speech on the basis of supposed racism.
This isn't really about the FCC whether you like them or not or whether you like the administration that appointed them. Some professor filed a petition with the FCC against the name. Its no different than when people brought their argument to the PTO about the trademark issue. The FCC has to respond to the petition.
The FCC won't be banning the name. But this is still more fuel on the fire, and the issue isn't going away.
Re: FCC will consider petition to ban 'Redskins'
Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:39 am
by SkinsJock
I heard that the only way that the NFL and Dan Snyder will change the name of the franchise is when it hurts their pocketbooks - I'm okay with that
I actually don't think that's going to happen in the near future
HOWEVER - I do NOT think the name should be changed just because some find it offensive - that's just BS - it's not and it's not intended to be
Re: FCC will consider petition to ban 'Redskins'
Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:50 am
by riggofan
SkinsJock wrote:I heard that the only way that the NFL and Dan Snyder will change the name of the franchise is when it hurts their pocketbooks - I'm okay with that I actually don't think that's going to happen in the near future
Yeah I think Mark Murphy made some comments to that effect the other day. Worth reading if you're not worn out by the topic:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc- ... kins-name/“This is obviously a much bigger issue,” he noted. “I think when it gets to the point where it’s costing the team, the Redskins and the league money, then I think you’ll start to see some real serious discussion about it.”
I've kind of been wondering if all of the bad press the NFL has been getting lately with Ray Rice, etc; might exacerbate things for Snyder. One of the big criticisms about Goodell and the domestic abuse stuff was that rather than just do the right thing off the bat (kick Rice out of the league) they did the minimum and only reacted to public pressure. I'm not saying domestic abuse and hurt feelings over a nickname are at all comparable, but the league definitely has some image problems right now.
Re: FCC will consider petition to ban 'Redskins'
Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 10:56 am
by fabe
SkinsJock wrote:I heard that the only way that the NFL and Dan Snyder will change the name of the franchise is when it hurts their pocketbooks - I'm okay with that
I actually don't think that's going to happen in the near future
That's the whole point of the discussion. The FCC is threatening (or considering) to take away the NFL's tax-exemption, which will hit them where it hurts: the wallet.
I'm actually surprised that they went to the NFL, rather than threatened to remove 'Skins games on radio and television. Wouldn't it make more sense to go after Snyder in this situation? The NFL has already come out and said that they're neutral on the issue, so asking the league to force Snyder to change the name is kind of moot. There's only one person who has the power to change the name, and he isn't Roger Goodell.
Re: FCC will consider petition to ban 'Redskins'
Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 11:17 am
by riggofan
fabe wrote:SkinsJock wrote:I heard that the only way that the NFL and Dan Snyder will change the name of the franchise is when it hurts their pocketbooks - I'm okay with that
I actually don't think that's going to happen in the near future
That's the whole point of the discussion. The FCC is threatening (or considering) to take away the NFL's tax-exemption, which will hit them where it hurts: the wallet.
How would the FCC take away anybody's tax-exempt status?
Re: FCC will consider petition to ban 'Redskins'
Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 11:21 am
by fabe
riggofan wrote:fabe wrote:SkinsJock wrote:I heard that the only way that the NFL and Dan Snyder will change the name of the franchise is when it hurts their pocketbooks - I'm okay with that
I actually don't think that's going to happen in the near future
That's the whole point of the discussion. The FCC is threatening (or considering) to take away the NFL's tax-exemption, which will hit them where it hurts: the wallet.
How would the FCC take away anybody's tax-exempt status?
Oh, I messed up, sorry. There's really two discussions in this thread: the FCC wanting to remove Redskins from the air waves, and
Congress wanting to remove the league's tax-exemption. Again, my mistake; I apologize for the ignorance.
Re: FCC will consider petition to ban 'Redskins'
Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 11:42 am
by riggofan
fabe wrote:Oh, I messed up, sorry. There's really two discussions in this thread: the FCC wanting to remove Redskins from the air waves, and Congress wanting to remove the league's tax-exemption. Again, my mistake; I apologize for the ignorance.
Gotcha! I thought that's what you meant, but I was digging around on google wondering if I'd missed something.
Re: FCC will consider petition to ban 'Redskins'
Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 11:54 am
by SkinsJock
I just don't think that this is going to happen but with all the crazy stuff going on in that town nobody knows what these bozos may come up with
Re: FCC will consider petition to ban 'Redskins'
Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 12:43 pm
by hanburgerheel
The Red Mesa High School in Arizona is 97% Navajo enrolled. There are 62 other high schools that willingly use Redskins as their mascot and have a predominant Native American enrollment. It's a shame that suddenly all of those schools are racists toward themselves. So, clearly the slur opinion is not a consensus by a long shot.
I dunno what guilt-ridden, wealthy, overly-sensitive, politically-connected, white liberal this is bothering, but they have packed a lunch for the showdown. Make no mistake, this is bothering a white person (or people). If it weren't bothering white people, it wouldn't change.
Re: FCC will consider petition to ban 'Redskins'
Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 12:47 pm
by emoses14
hanburgerheel wrote:The Red Mesa High School in Arizona is 97% Navajo enrolled. There are 62 other high schools that willingly use Redskins as their mascot and have a predominant Native American enrollment. It's a shame that suddenly all of those schools are racists toward themselves. So, clearly the slur opinion is not a consensus by a long shot.
I dunno what guilt-ridden, wealthy, overly-sensitive, politically-connected, white liberal this is bothering, but they have packed a lunch for the showdown. Make no mistake, this is bothering a white person (or people). If it weren't bothering white people, it wouldn't change.
Re: FCC will consider petition to ban 'Redskins'
Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 1:30 pm
by grampi
I don't see how they can LEGALLY do any of this as long as the official team name is still the Redskins...
Re: FCC will consider petition to ban 'Redskins'
Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 1:43 pm
by riggofan
hanburgerheel wrote:If it weren't bothering white people, it wouldn't change.
White people and this guy:
I know what you're getting at, but I don't think you're making much of a point. Native Americans are a small minority in the country. Of course they need help from "concerned" white people to affect change. (Assuming they actually want that change. I don't have any idea if that's true or not.)
Re: FCC will consider petition to ban 'Redskins'
Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 2:05 pm
by hanburgerheel
riggofan wrote:hanburgerheel wrote:If it weren't bothering white people, it wouldn't change.
White people and this guy:
I know what you're getting at, but I don't think you're making much of a point. Native Americans are a small minority in the country. Of course they need help from "concerned" white people to affect change. (Assuming they actually want that change. I don't have any idea if that's true or not.)
It's only the "point" of recognizing the true origin of the contempt. Fewer Native Americans are even bothered by this! This is rooted and driven by white liberal guilt. This stems from guilt and accountability perpetrated by white ancestry. In a way, it's progress. Misplaced and weak accountability, but progress. The whole thing is looking like it's going to be making my future Sundays much more freed-up. It's becoming too much of a slant on me, as a fan. This entire distraction paints anyone not offended, and everyone who is for keeping the name, as outright racists. Even if it changes now, there will always be a stigma attached to the franchise. As long as it remains, there will be an even stronger stigma. If the name changes, then my life-long traditional attachment will diminish. Changing the name will certainly not improve the product on the field either. I also have a very strong feeling that the NFL and American Football in general, are on a slow, but steady, course for extinction.
The handful of Native Americans (who are always liberals) that are offended by this are rarely, if ever, sports/football fans. And, they simply have valid contempt for what was done to their ancestors by the white race. It's not equivalent to African slave trade, but it is close. The very thing that almost exterminated them from the planet- The US Government- is still acting in it's typical tyrannical tradition. These Native-descent people are using this name change as their present-day Wounded Knee. Again, it seems misplaced to me, but they have their opinions. Getting token acknowledgment like this is what government loves to afford. They will push this name change thing until it finally happens. But, the actual conditions of these peoples' lives are not on the agenda at all.
Re: FCC will consider petition to ban 'Redskins'
Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 2:18 pm
by emoses14
hanburgerheel wrote:
It's only the "point" of recognizing the true origin of the contempt. Fewer Native Americans are even bothered by this! This is rooted and driven by white liberal guilt. This stems from guilt and accountability perpetrated by white ancestry. In a way, it's progress. Misplaced and weak accountability, but progress. The whole thing is looking like it's going to be making my future Sundays much more freed-up. It's becoming too much of a slant on me, as a fan. This entire distraction paints anyone not offended, and everyone who is for keeping the name, as outright racists. Even if it changes now, there will always be a stigma attached to the franchise. As long as it remains, there will be an even stronger stigma. If the name changes, then my life-long traditional attachment will diminish. Changing the name will certainly not improve the product on the field either. I also have a very strong feeling that the NFL and American Football in general, are on a slow, but steady, course for extinction.
The handful of Native Americans (who are always liberals) that are offended by this are rarely, if ever, sports/football fans. And, they simply have valid contempt for what was done to their ancestors by the white race. It's not equivalent to African slave trade, but it is close. The very thing that almost exterminated them from the planet- The US Government- is still acting in it's typical tyrannical tradition. These Native-descent people are using this name change as their present-day Wounded Knee. Again, it seems misplaced to me, but they have their opinions. Getting token acknowledgment like this is what government loves to afford. They will push this name change thing until it finally happens. But, the actual conditions of these peoples' lives are not on the agenda at all.
1. I call this paternalism at its conceited best, but don't necessarily disagree with your tyranny characterization either.
2. It is far easier for a government to look at the redskins and channel their well deserved guilt over the atrocities that have helped make this country great into anger over a 'blatantly racist epithet" rather than actually addressing the real problem underlying the Native American community (whatever that may be, I know it isn't the name Washington Redskins).
3. To argue a different point, though, for a minute. I do not think someone's ability to be offended by a racial slur (an actual racial slur, that is) has anything to do with their political leanings. Saying it is just a red herring.
Re: FCC will consider petition to ban 'Redskins'
Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 2:19 pm
by Deadskins
hanburgerheel wrote:Getting token acknowledgment like this is what government loves to afford. They will push this name change thing until it finally happens. But, the actual conditions of these peoples' lives are not on the agenda at all.
This.
Re: FCC will consider petition to ban 'Redskins'
Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 2:28 pm
by riggofan
hanburgerheel wrote:It's only the "point" of recognizing the true origin of the contempt.
Like I said, I completely understand your point of view.