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Defense stinks... What's Haslett's excuse now? And can somebody tell me what has Raheem Morris done to deserve to coach our DB's. They are consistently confused. The only one who seems to know what he is doing is Ryan Clark, who we stupidly let go years ago. Hes an aging vet and the best DB we have....

Another thing, how do these no name Olines consistenly block our Dline? Why is it other teams get consistent pressure with four guys and we get nothing. At this point Orapko is gone and let Murphy get more time.

Last thing, we know Polumbus and Chester are bad. Why do they still have jobs? I dont get it.... and if Compton cant beat out Polumbus get rid of him too....

This has to stop, 4 games in and I have to look forward to the draft already....

Keep a stiff upper lip. We can expect to loose to Seattle and Arizona and will be 1 - 5.

3 - 13 may be a good season.

This is the price we are paying for years of terrible drafts and terrible free agent pickups

The talent level on the redskins is in the gutter compared to the rest of the NFL.

4 high picks (3 ones and 1 two) for RG-Injured
Terrible trades
Terrible scouting
Awful coaching

I point ultimately to the top of the origination where Snyder is a cancer.

I think at this point we are heading to another 3-13 record

The good news is we have a shot for the #1 pick in the 2015 draft
But knowing the Redskins, they will screw that up too.

I've been watching the Redskins since 1969 ... and will keep watching (more out of habit, and my love of pro football in general)

It's interesting but for the past decade ... I get the feeling that the Redskins are like a high school team ... playing pro teams.

Other teams seems to be able to easily do what the redskins cannot ...
Like consistently kick extra points or short FGs
Or cover kicks
Or just be in the area on pass defense
The Redskins struggle with the most basic things

Partially due to bad coaching and bad scouting (so our starters are bad and the backups are a joke)

I have been a Redskins fan since 1945. I have seen the good years (not many) and the bad years (many). While I would not blame Dan Snyder for everything, it seems that the team has been worse since he took over. Cerrato didn't help as I think he was mostly to blame to the things that happened during his time. Shanahan, IMO, was never going to succeed because he lost his ability to coach ending his time in Denver. His hiring his son as OC was just a vehicle to get his son a head coaching job. What the Redskins do have is a history of over paying for the questionable talent they choose whether it be players or coaches. I was actually pleased to see Gruden chosen as the HC. Time will tell. Haskett was and still is a failure as a DC. Yes our defense looked good in Philly but it was shown for what it is yesterday. Rotten! Don't bring up injuries, all teams have injuries and the others seem to get quality replacements. Our O-line suxs and there seems to be no improvements in the future. Polumbus wouldn't even make another team, Chester is slightly better. So, the right side of our O-line is non-existent, the left side is slightly better. I don't exclude Williams from that as he didn't do much yesterday. I do not believe that either RGIII or Cousins will ever be a starting caliber NFL quarterback. We wasted lots of draft picks. They are gone and we can't get them back. We have possibly the best group of wide receivers in the league. Where are they? Morris is one of the best running backs. Where is he? Why is it that other teams with less talent do better? It also seems to me that there is a problem with the officials. Why is it that almost every time the other team is 3rd and long, a penalty comes up? Many questionable (not all) while I can see multiple holding, pass interference and late hits that are not called on the other team.

Well, so much for my rant.

I firmly believe this is a coaching problem. Coaches are trying to mold the team in their vision rather than mold the team to win. There is a difference. Where we have weaknesses on the OL we need an extra TE and fullback for blocking. On defense we need better schemes for rushing the passer. On ST we need players to stay in their lanes and not overrun the coverage. Players need to know that T/Os lose games; and it will cost the players responsible their job. If I'm Gruden I'd be calling Joe Gibbs right now for some advice; and his brother, Jon, too.

Jon maybe but the NFL has passed Gibbs by, personnel issues as well as field situations. I hate to say this but, Gibbs was great in his first time but not even good in his second time.

He did get us to the playoffs 2 of his four seasons in his second go around.

And if that isn't amazing enough, he did it with Cerrato. Now that I really think about it he deserves to be in the Hall a second time.

Gibbs found ways to win with modest talent. Jay needs some coaching on how to win with what you've got not what you want.

GoSkins wrote:Gibbs found ways to win with modest talent. Jay needs some coaching on how to win with what you've got not what you want.

Gibbs ALWAYS had excellent db's. Two things caused that loss... Lack of db depth, and 3 horrible passes (the other pick was an exceptional defensive play). Loosing D Hall pretty much kills the season.

Btw... I'm not "blaming" Cousins. Staying cool when the world is crashing is a skill learned from experience.

Countertrey wrote:

GoSkins wrote:Gibbs found ways to win with modest talent. Jay needs some coaching on how to win with what you've got not what you want.

Gibbs ALWAYS had excellent db's. Two things caused that loss... Lack of db depth, and 3 horrible passes (the other pick was an exceptional defensive play). Loosing D Hall pretty much kills the season.

Btw... I'm not "blaming" Cousins. Staying cool when the world is crashing is a skill learned from experience.

Well he did have the Pearl Harbor crew but yeah he had everything else. I'm not giving up on Cousins either. You are right about Dhall and killing the season. Is Porter ever going to play this season?

Kilmer72 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:

GoSkins wrote:Gibbs found ways to win with modest talent. Jay needs some coaching on how to win with what you've got not what you want.

Gibbs ALWAYS had excellent db's. Two things caused that loss... Lack of db depth, and 3 horrible passes (the other pick was an exceptional defensive play). Loosing D Hall pretty much kills the season.

Btw... I'm not "blaming" Cousins. Staying cool when the world is crashing is a skill learned from experience.

Well he did have the Pearl Harbor crew but yeah he had everything else. I'm not giving up on Cousins either. You are right about Dhall and killing the season. Is Porter ever going to play this season?

Gibbs also had the best offensive line in the league... Nothing makes a difference like that.

Was Dex Manley modest talent? Dave Butz? Charles Mann?
Just making the point. Joe Gibbs had teams that were loaded with talent.

As far as I can tell, Haslett has never had a great statistical season coordinating anywhere. Definitely not here.

brad7686 wrote:As far as I can tell, Haslett has never had a great statistical season coordinating anywhere. Definitely not here.

The defense has been a bit starved the past 5 years. Yeah we drafted a few. We have rehashed this in the past... If we never went to a 34.... Then you have to fill holes everywhere. It is like swimming upstream.

Countertrey wrote:Was Dex Manley modest talent? Dave Butz? Charles Mann?
Just making the point. Joe Gibbs had teams that were loaded with talent.

We may never get another Dexter. He made Mann what he was along with Mann wanting to be great. Something Gibbs did that others failed at was hiring people that could and would get the jobs done. If he could utilize players like Darrell Grant ,Otis Wonsley, Gearge Stark so on and so on....We had many people that no one knew could fill in and not miss a beat when a star got injured. Gruden could be our Joe Gibbs. Gibs started ruff. I like Jay so far. It was one really bad game and unfortunately it doesn't look good on defense and ST for the rest of the year. Offense I think they can fix this year even with bad Oline play. Cousins isn't going to play like that all year or we will see Colt next. I really don't want to see and hear about Colt, but soon people will want him in.

Hey I can be as critical as anyone but DONT put the nail in the coffin just yet..WE have an opportunity to gain some serious confidence and momentum by winning our next game at home against the defending champs. Adjustments can be made in the next 10 days... I think we need our running game to re-appearand be back at the top of the league where it has been, on Defense we need the most out of guys like biggers breeland porter & amerson, our DLINE is old but can play well when rested.

I believe we can still make this season interesting

Oh, it's already interesting to say the least.

I still stand by what I've said in August:

fabe wrote:I'm not being picky this year. As long as we get more than 3 wins, don't get swept by our division, and not end up 4th in the East, I'll be content. Not happy, but content.

We're not starting off on the right foot, but I'm still hopeful that we can get more than 3 wins, and at least one divisional win.

aswas71788 wrote:I have been a Redskins fan since 1945. I have seen the good years (not many) and the bad years (many). While I would not blame Dan Snyder for everything, it seems that the team has been worse since he took over. Cerrato didn't help as I think he was mostly to blame to the things that happened during his time. Shanahan, IMO, was never going to succeed because he lost his ability to coach ending his time in Denver. His hiring his son as OC was just a vehicle to get his son a head coaching job. What the Redskins do have is a history of over paying for the questionable talent they choose whether it be players or coaches. I was actually pleased to see Gruden chosen as the HC. Time will tell. Haskett was and still is a failure as a DC. Yes our defense looked good in Philly but it was shown for what it is yesterday. Rotten! Don't bring up injuries, all teams have injuries and the others seem to get quality replacements. Our O-line suxs and there seems to be no improvements in the future. Polumbus wouldn't even make another team, Chester is slightly better. So, the right side of our O-line is non-existent, the left side is slightly better. I don't exclude Williams from that as he didn't do much yesterday. I do not believe that either RGIII or Cousins will ever be a starting caliber NFL quarterback. We wasted lots of draft picks. They are gone and we can't get them back. We have possibly the best group of wide receivers in the league. Where are they? Morris is one of the best running backs. Where is he? Why is it that other teams with less talent do better? It also seems to me that there is a problem with the officials. Why is it that almost every time the other team is 3rd and long, a penalty comes up? Many questionable (not all) while I can see multiple holding, pass interference and late hits that are not called on the other team.

Well, so much for my rant.

I would like to know what happened between Jack Kent Cook and his son that was so bad that he would rather sell the team than pass it down to his son. I don't think us Redskins fans would've had to endure so many years of lousy teams if John owned the team...

Gibbs4Life wrote:...WE have an opportunity to gain some serious confidence and momentum by winning our next game at home against the defending champs. Adjustments can be made in the next 10 days...I believe we can still make this season interesting

Long. Drawn out. Sigh.

grampi wrote:

aswas71788 wrote:I have been a Redskins fan since 1945. I have seen the good years (not many) and the bad years (many). While I would not blame Dan Snyder for everything, it seems that the team has been worse since he took over. Cerrato didn't help as I think he was mostly to blame to the things that happened during his time. Shanahan, IMO, was never going to succeed because he lost his ability to coach ending his time in Denver. His hiring his son as OC was just a vehicle to get his son a head coaching job. What the Redskins do have is a history of over paying for the questionable talent they choose whether it be players or coaches. I was actually pleased to see Gruden chosen as the HC. Time will tell. Haskett was and still is a failure as a DC. Yes our defense looked good in Philly but it was shown for what it is yesterday. Rotten! Don't bring up injuries, all teams have injuries and the others seem to get quality replacements. Our O-line suxs and there seems to be no improvements in the future. Polumbus wouldn't even make another team, Chester is slightly better. So, the right side of our O-line is non-existent, the left side is slightly better. I don't exclude Williams from that as he didn't do much yesterday. I do not believe that either RGIII or Cousins will ever be a starting caliber NFL quarterback. We wasted lots of draft picks. They are gone and we can't get them back. We have possibly the best group of wide receivers in the league. Where are they? Morris is one of the best running backs. Where is he? Why is it that other teams with less talent do better? It also seems to me that there is a problem with the officials. Why is it that almost every time the other team is 3rd and long, a penalty comes up? Many questionable (not all) while I can see multiple holding, pass interference and late hits that are not called on the other team.

Well, so much for my rant.

I would like to know what happened between Jack Kent Cook and his son that was so bad that he would rather sell the team than pass it down to his son. I don't think us Redskins fans would've had to endure so many years of lousy teams if John owned the team...

Jack made it perfectly clear that he was not going to give the team to his son. He stated that no one gave him his start. He wanted his son to have it but earn it.

Kilmer72 wrote:

grampi wrote:

aswas71788 wrote:I have been a Redskins fan since 1945. I have seen the good years (not many) and the bad years (many). While I would not blame Dan Snyder for everything, it seems that the team has been worse since he took over. Cerrato didn't help as I think he was mostly to blame to the things that happened during his time. Shanahan, IMO, was never going to succeed because he lost his ability to coach ending his time in Denver. His hiring his son as OC was just a vehicle to get his son a head coaching job. What the Redskins do have is a history of over paying for the questionable talent they choose whether it be players or coaches. I was actually pleased to see Gruden chosen as the HC. Time will tell. Haskett was and still is a failure as a DC. Yes our defense looked good in Philly but it was shown for what it is yesterday. Rotten! Don't bring up injuries, all teams have injuries and the others seem to get quality replacements. Our O-line suxs and there seems to be no improvements in the future. Polumbus wouldn't even make another team, Chester is slightly better. So, the right side of our O-line is non-existent, the left side is slightly better. I don't exclude Williams from that as he didn't do much yesterday. I do not believe that either RGIII or Cousins will ever be a starting caliber NFL quarterback. We wasted lots of draft picks. They are gone and we can't get them back. We have possibly the best group of wide receivers in the league. Where are they? Morris is one of the best running backs. Where is he? Why is it that other teams with less talent do better? It also seems to me that there is a problem with the officials. Why is it that almost every time the other team is 3rd and long, a penalty comes up? Many questionable (not all) while I can see multiple holding, pass interference and late hits that are not called on the other team.

Well, so much for my rant.

I would like to know what happened between Jack Kent Cook and his son that was so bad that he would rather sell the team than pass it down to his son. I don't think us Redskins fans would've had to endure so many years of lousy teams if John owned the team...

Jack made it perfectly clear that he was not going to give the team to his son. He stated that no one gave him his start. He wanted his son to have it but earn it.

As best I remember, Edward Bennett Williams gave Cooke his start as owner of the Redskins. (1) George Preston Marshall liked Williams, who was a brilliant Capitol Hill lawyer. Marshall gave Williams power of attorney. (2) Cooke had made a fortune with department stores in Canada. He was bored and wanted to own sports teams. (3) Harry Wismer, Marshall's minority partner, with 20% of the Redskins, had been awarded the New York City franchise of the new American Football League. Marshall paid himself a large salary as president of the Redskins, but always claimed the team lost money. Therefore, Wismer never got nothing. (4) Williams recruited Cooke to buy the 20% share for $200,000. (Consider: about 1960, the Washington Redskins were valued at $1 million). (5) Marshall had a stroke, or something like it. Williams ran the team. As Williams dug into the finances, he discovered that Marshall had been hiding revenue: for instance, the team owned a house in each NFL city so Marshall could attend every game without paying for a hotel. The team also owned Marshall's house (in Georgetown?) which it rented to him at whatever price he set. (6) Over a half dozen years, Williams eliminated the fake expenses. The Redskins were profitable. Williams used the profits to buy back Marshall's shares of the team, inflating Cooke's percentage. When Marshall died, his son(s?) sued Williams and Cooke, claiming that they had been cheated out of their proper share of ownership. Court found for Williams, and that made Cooke majority owner.

Cooke probably earned his Canadian department store money, and he bought the Lakers and the LA Kings and owned their coliseum. He lost part of them in a divorce settlement. It seems like E.B. Williams "earned" Cooke's ownership of the Redskins. And Williams certainly changed how the Redskins operated.

(Reference: memory from a book by David Harris, The League, which dates from the mid-80s.)

welch wrote:(Reference: memory from a book by David Harris, The League, which dates from the mid-80s.)

Did you buy that with milk money you stole from me?

Kilmer72 wrote:Jack made it perfectly clear that he was not going to give the team to his son. He stated that no one gave him his start. He wanted his son to have it but earn it.

I bet if he would've known that the team would be owned and run into the ground by Danny Boy he would've done everything in his power to make sure that John got the team....

grampi wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:Jack made it perfectly clear that he was not going to give the team to his son. He stated that no one gave him his start. He wanted his son to have it but earn it.

I bet if he would've known that the team would be owned and run into the ground by Danny Boy he would've done everything in his power to make sure that John got the team....

I'm sure he rolled in his grave. I just don't believe Dan has done anything to hamper the Skins in the past 4 years or so.