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Each of the 3 QBs threw a pick last night but Cousins and McCoy looked like the understood how to run the offense from the pocket better than Griffin. The Skins have lots of targets to throw to so it should be easier to move the team than last year but thus far Griffin looks like a rookie not a 3 year starter, I question whether he processes things fast enough to be a pocket passer the other it looked like the other two QBs made decisions quicker. Cousins must get it out a full second quicker, I'd love to see what their actual release times are to see if it only looks that way or if the differential is as great as it appears.

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Your Brownies should have traded for Cousins when they had the chance. Enjoy the long maturation of Johnny Manziel.

I tried to watch Cousins really objectively last night. Was just curious if there was anything to the opinion that he's the better QB. (I only listened for a minute this morning, but the Sports Junkies were unsurprisingly on the air saying just that.)

For four or five plays, I'll admit I thought he just looks more comfortable. Looks like a QB in command of the offense, more poised. I'm not sure if that's actually true or if its because of the way RGIII plays. Griffin seems like he could break out and run at any second, so he just looks different in the pocket than Cousins.

And just as I was thinking: "maybe there is something to this Cousins talk", that sails an ugly pass to a wide open WR in the middle of the field for an INT.

I don't know. Maybe RGIII won't turn out to be the guy we've been hoping for. I'm just not going to be calling for Cousins every time Griffin has a bad game this year. We gave up a lot for RGIII, and the team needs to give him a fair shot and the support to be that guy.

Btw I wrote earlier in this thread that I don't think its realistic for any team to trade for Cousins at this point in the preseason. The Browns are still the ONE team I could see where it might make sense. Manziel is going to be a disaster if they trot him out there this year. Hoyer is just a guy at best. Cousins could buy them some time, give them a chance this season and I would think he could run Kyle's playbook pretty quickly.

Still doubt it will happen, but it would make some sense.

I wasnt all that impressed by Cousins last night.
He reminds me of sexy Rexy and we all know how that turned out!
Just because he gets the ball out a fraction of a second sooner w out a scramble- doesnt mean he makes the right decisions. Some of it was bad some ok and some decent. Having Tana, A much improved Robinson, and stud R in Grant vs their backups SHOULD give him a significant advantage that I didnt see him really exploit.

Rgiii looked like he had some nerves but moved the ball well- the fumble was a blow to the momentum and I think that Robert is feeling pressure to out perfomr the others. Id be happy if we traded Cousins today to put that kid to bed already. The int was a poor choice that will get addressed. I feel 100% he gives us the best chance to win and hope he continues to improve his sliding/ protecting himself.

riggofan wrote:I tried to watch Cousins really objectively last night. Was just curious if there was anything to the opinion that he's the better QB. (I only listened for a minute this morning, but the Sports Junkies were unsurprisingly on the air saying just that.)

For four or five plays, I'll admit I thought he just looks more comfortable. Looks like a QB in command of the offense, more poised. I'm not sure if that's actually true or if its because of the way RGIII plays. Griffin seems like he could break out and run at any second, so he just looks different in the pocket than Cousins.

And just as I was thinking: "maybe there is something to this Cousins talk", that sails an ugly pass to a wide open WR in the middle of the field for an INT.

I don't know. Maybe RGIII won't turn out to be the guy we've been hoping for. I'm just not going to be calling for Cousins every time Griffin has a bad game this year. We gave up a lot for RGIII, and the team needs to give him a fair shot and the support to be that guy.

Btw I wrote earlier in this thread that I don't think its realistic for any team to trade for Cousins at this point in the preseason. The Browns are still the ONE team I could see where it might make sense. Manziel is going to be a disaster if they trot him out there this year. Hoyer is just a guy at best. Cousins could buy them some time, give them a chance this season and I would think he could run Kyle's playbook pretty quickly.

Still doubt it will happen, but it would make some sense.

Valid points, but RG3 was the real deal his rookie season. Last year was a disaster, and now he's learning a new system. And he wasn't playing backups like Cousins was. The stat that meant the most to me his rookie year was the wide number of receivers he threw to when we had just gone a half dozen years with the ball only going to cooley and Moss. He does have vision, but he has to get comfortable. I am a lot more positive on RG3 than you are right now. Not where he's been this year, but the upside of where he's going.

Also, that our D looks better is a great formula with a young QB. He needs to get chances and get in a rhythm, it was another problem last year that once we gave up teh ball, it was a half hour on the bench for our offense. A feast or famine D is far better than a chinese water torture one, which is what we had last year.

as most know I'm a RG3 fan - it's obviously going to take a little time for him to become the QB that Sean and Jay are looking for

the O line play will hopefully improve and help the offense as well ... not holding my breath on that tho ...

totally agree that we're keeping Cousins - we might keep McCoy too but I doubt that Cousins is going anywhere for a while

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Valid points, but RG3 was the real deal his rookie season. Last year was a disaster, and now he's learning a new system. And he wasn't playing backups like Cousins was. The stat that meant the most to me his rookie year was the wide number of receivers he threw to when we had just gone a half dozen years with the ball only going to cooley and Moss. He does have vision, but he has to get comfortable. I am a lot more positive on RG3 than you are right now. Not where he's been this year, but the upside of where he's going.

I agree with those comments. And I didn't mean to give the impression that I'm negative on RGIII at all. (Actually not sure what I wrote that gave you that impression!)

I think cowboykillerzRGiii may be right that Griffin is putting a lot of pressure on himself. I like that about him that he feels the need to go out there and prove everybody wrong. There are times when that seems to work against him. Scrambling for an extra five yards and taking a big hit instead of just stepping out of bounds. Forcing a throw off balance for an INT instead of tossing it away. For ex.

I'm actually more sure after watching that game last night that Griffin is our guy and people need to get a grip with the Cousins talk.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Also, that our D looks better is a great formula with a young QB. He needs to get chances and get in a rhythm, it was another problem last year that once we gave up teh ball, it was a half hour on the bench for our offense. A feast or famine D is far better than a chinese water torture one, which is what we had last year.

Yeah I read that our starting D held both the Pats and Browns starters scoreless. That's a start. I've said this before, but if our defense can even be middle of the pack, #15 in the league, it would be a huge boost for this team.

I never have had confidence in Griffin. In 2012 I knew what he was doing wasn't sustainable in the NFL and was pissed the Skins squandered 4 picks to get him. I really soured on the guy when he threw his coaches under the bus after he got hurt. That said, the Skins are my team it's a new year so I am trying to be objective and I haven't seen enough this preseason to assess thoughtfully his progress yet. Thus far I haven't seen growth from him in the limited action:

1. Griffin still looks uncomfortable and indecisive in the pocket. I question whether he processes things quick enough to become a proficient passer. Is it me or does Cousins decide and release the ball much faster? I'd love to compare the release time stats of these two. The OL looks much better when Cousins plays. Cousins just looks so much more at home out there in the same pocket, same offense and after fewer practice reps than Griffin.

2. Griffin still doesn't know how to protect himself. He failed to slide and took multiple hits outside of the pocket last night and when he decided to slide a couple of times later in the game he nearly injured his legs. He came up limping one time but thankfully was able to walk if off.

3. Is his mobility back? I don't know from the limited set of reps we've seen but they caught him repeatedly last night, he looked more like 2013 Griffin than the elusive 2012 version. Maybe his eyes were down the field wasn't that focused on eluding his tacklers but he didn't look especially elusive.

4. He better improve his self protection skills and habits quickly or he's going to get beaten down or worse injured.

SkinsJock wrote:as most know I'm a RG3 fan - it's obviously going to take a little time for him to become the QB that Sean and Jay are looking for

the O line play will hopefully improve and help the offense as well ... not holding my breath on that tho ...

totally agree that we're keeping Cousins - we might keep McCoy too but I doubt that Cousins is going anywhere for a while

I should have made it more clear - RG3 is making progress & will soon begin to better grasp what is expected of him - this is happening

the whole team looks a lot better and more focused under the new staff


btw - the more aggressive "officiating" (it's horrible) is going to take some getting used to for both players and coaches

SkinsJock wrote:btw - the more aggressive "officiating" (it's horrible) is going to take some getting used to for both players and coaches

Man I hope they're just being overly aggressive to emphasize things in the preseason. All of the flags the past two games have been horrible.

What will Gruden have to do to beat out of Griffin that he will NOT score a TD on every play? He is so confident, he thinks he can outrun and outplay 11 NFL defensive players every play. He thinks it's failure to not score on every series, like he did at Baylor. In the NFL, it's about field position, limiting mistakes AND keeping your franchise QB on the field all year...

Until he learns that we can not trade Cousins. McCoy might be an okay 3rd stringer, but his arm is way too weak to be Griffin's backup.

Kind of wish we saved our picks and drafted Tannehill at this point.

fredp45 wrote:What will Gruden have to do to beat out of Griffin that he will NOT score a TD on every play? He is so confident, he thinks he can outrun and outplay 11 NFL defensive players every play. He thinks it's failure to not score on every series, like he did at Baylor. In the NFL, it's about field position, limiting mistakes AND keeping your franchise QB on the field all year...

Until he learns that we can not trade Cousins. McCoy might be an okay 3rd stringer, but his arm is way too weak to be Griffin's backup.

Kind of wish we saved our picks and drafted Tannehill at this point.

not me - this kid is V special and is going through a learning curve that should have begun before the 2012 season ...

he will get it right - not just because Sean and Jay want him to but because Robert knows that this is best for both he and the offense

Robert Griffin III peaked when he won the ROY award in 2012. I am not implying that Kirk Cousins is the answer, or go-to QB either... I don't think he will ever be more than a decent back-up QB. But, Griffin ain't the guy... at all. Griffin will struggle until the Redskins finally trade him. Then he will make the rounds of other NFL teams that believe they can recapture his college talent and they will fail. I just hope and pray that Gruden has some balls and steps-up and makes the change sooner rather than later. Griffin is going to be a constant frustration. His fans will make excuses and Snyder and the coaches will wait and wait and wait. Griffin was the worst, most costly draft pick I've seen in a while. He did have that one stretch of winning games in November-December 2012 before the Ravens game injury. My most vivid memory of him will always be when he totally blew that knee out against Seattle and collapsed. That was the end.

Oh, and he sold a LOT of jerseys!

Andrew Luck was the best QB of that draft, as far as NFL potential.

This is a learning process for RG III. He needs to learn the position as a pocket QB and/or he needs to learn how to protect himself. If he does neither of these, I doubt he will be part of the answer for the Redskins.

hanburgerheel wrote:Robert Griffin III peaked when he won the ROY award in 2012. I am not implying that Kirk Cousins is the answer, or go-to QB either... I don't think he will ever be more than a decent back-up QB. But, Griffin ain't the guy... at all. Griffin will struggle until the Redskins finally trade him. Then he will make the rounds of other NFL teams that believe they can recapture his college talent and they will fail. I just hope and pray that Gruden has some balls and steps-up and makes the change sooner rather than later. Griffin is going to be a constant frustration. His fans will make excuses and Snyder and the coaches will wait and wait and wait. Griffin was the worst, most costly draft pick I've seen in a while. He did have that one stretch of winning games in November-December 2012 before the Ravens game injury. My most vivid memory of him will always be when he totally blew that knee out against Seattle and collapsed. That was the end.

Oh, and he sold a LOT of jerseys!

Andrew Luck was the best QB of that draft, as far as NFL potential.

The light needs to go on for Griffin fairly soon. In terms of his development I don't believed he learn anything from the games he finished and little if nothing from the ones he didn't finish because he is still taking big hits and doesn't protect himself.

I'm concerned. Hate to talk like this.

Griff has had ample time to learn to slide. Sliding isn't rocket science...he just can't let a dead play be a dead play.

Also his deep ball accuracy is spotty and it often results in the WR slowing down and adjusting to grab it. The pass to Roberts lofted up beautifully, but he had to slow down to get it. That should have been a touchdown.

I'm just frustrated right now. I think Griff is an amazing quarterback with a couple things to master before he's perfect. Its just that I'm worried as hell his career will be cut short because of his willingness to take hits.

As for Cousins, he's a turnover machine. He has flashes of quick release greatness and awareness but that means nothing when you throw interceptions the way he does.

Improvement? For sure, but I'm doubting Griffin's ability to let a dead play be a dead play.

I want to be proved wrong about this.

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Rg3 locker room interview.. in good spirits. I like how much details he remebers- each pass the yardage, like when I golf I can recall each hole and each shot...
So im sure I'm in the minority but I for one am GLAD we saw RG3 take those hits and not quit on plays. For me this was Grudens peek into how RG3 thinks he can play, and the picture is crystal clear in front of him on what he needs to help his young quarter back with. Hes progressing good enough making reads and holding the ball higher... his safety is the only thing that will stifle his growth.
In practice and the last game we didnt see RG3 "trying to do to much", but here it is layed out for coach. Had RG3 not taken those hits it might be an issue later on and gets overlooked in the present... and even worse it costs him an injury.
NOW the point of emphasis must be, get down, get out, throw it away- live to play another down. Unfortunately for rg3 his career has required him to go above and beyond to win games (2012 he had to carry the d and put up mad points to win, same last year and every year at Baylor)... hopefully an improved D and appears to be revamped ST and a better relationship with coach Gruden... he can be tamed into accepting a failed drive, punting, getting the ball back and moving fwd.
I like that he acknowledged the int, and bounced back to get the ball into first and goal. Now there wasnt a single pass play nor a handoff to D Young so to me we werent "showing all of our cards" but the O gets credit for moving the ball.

Rome isnt burning... and Cousins didnt look to great vs the backups. Moss, Robinson, Grant and any rb is equivalent to the starters weve had vs their twos and he hasnt "lit it up". RG3 is the best qb we have, and if he stays healthy (which will be the coaches number one priority at this point) we will see him get comfortable in the system and when the pull cork of this offense.... its gonna blow up!
Rg3 has a grip of pressure and needs to cut it off.. not worry about shutting the haters down and just #gocatchhisdream

FWIW - RG3 should have been better prepared to play QB in the NFL by Kyle and Mike ... he's getting that now from these guys and he will show the doubters that he's an incredible athlete and also that he's very intelligent - he will learn from all that is happening

these kids coming out of college need time and unfortunately for us RG3 was not properly prepared or coached to play QB in the NFL

there is a slight chance that he will not be the QB we expect but given his upbringing and his character, I'm sure he will

I'm looking forward to watching the progress - it is a process and it takes time

RG3 will become a better QB than Luck, Wilson or Kaepernick - he just needed to get the right guys to show him how to get there

I am reserving any judgement on how I think Griffin looks at this point in the season for after saturday's game where he'll play an entire half AND the first game of the season.

emoses14 wrote:I am reserving any judgement on how I think Griffin looks at this point in the season for after saturday's game where he'll play an entire half AND the first game of the season.

That seems fair. Personally I'm reserving judgement on Griffin until the BYE week. That's eight or nine REAL games that matter against some strong teams and some weaker teams.

We gave up, what, three first round picks for him? And people want to throw in the towel after one ROY season and one season coming off an ACL injury?

All through the spring I listened to this "support the name" bs. Support your freaking TEAM. Support your freaking quarterback for a change, people.

anyone that does not support the Redskins team and that includes the name ... is not really supporting anything

just more liberal BS ...



bot - this team and the staff seem to be a lot more involved together ... love the intensity on the sidelines on Monday


RG3 will be fine - he has some good guys 'who have his back' and will help him grow

the O line can only get better as they find a way to get the new guys in there - the defense looks a lot better already

LOVE that we're having a battle at the kicking position - both will be kicking in the NFL this season

SkinsJock wrote:anyone that does not support the Redskins team and that includes the name ... is not really supporting anything

just more liberal BS ...

lol. This liberal is not getting sucked into the name debate. We've got real football being played now!!!

I don't know if Washington is worse than any other NFL town when it comes to how we treat our QBs. It just drives me crazy how quick we are to throw these guys under the bus. There's always someone better out there (usually our backup quarterback). The guy has only played two years of football, and people are on here posting that he's "peaked".

I dont know Riggo, I almost feel like peeking in on a NC board to see how they act when Cam makes a bad choice or when He takes a hit... id say a ninrs board but that guy literally poops gold according to those fans lmmfao

it's early yup, and we shouldn't be so quick to judge these players in general yup, but i'll tell you one thing for sure. if we go 0-4 wit rg3 at the controls, i'll be the first one calling for the benching. fed-up fan.. tired of the bs.. need another sb before our name gets changed.