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Kaepernick's Value
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:00 pm
by DarthMonk
I'm thinking a lot of QBs could have taken the 49ers pretty deep the last 2 years.
Which of these guys is just as good or better than Kap? I know Kap moves better than almost all if not all of them but I saw him not see wide open guys in the end zone in the Super Bowl a year ago and I saw him throw some ugly picks in crunch time in the title game this past year.
No way I'm giving Kap the old $100 M for 5 years.
P. Manning
Brady
Rodgers
Newton
Brees
Rivers
Luck
Roethlisberger
Wilson
Smith
Foles
Ryan
Romo
Cutler
Stafford
Dalton
Palmer
Flacco
E. Manning
Griffin
Re: Kaepernick's Value
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:43 pm
by Deadskins
Not sure I agree with shEli being on your list.
Re: Kaepernick's Value
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 3:03 pm
by DarthMonk
Deadskins wrote:Not sure I agree with shEli being on your list.
I'm not saying any of them are as good or better. I'm asking which ones are.
Would you offer Kap $100 M for 5 years?
Re: Kaepernick's Value
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 3:17 pm
by SkinsJock
It does not matter what we think - the 49ers will pay him (at, or close to) $20m per year - he's not signing for $18.5m per year
Re: Kaepernick's Value
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:09 pm
by Countertrey
I have no idea what you point might be... I mean, so what? Kaepernick is a tremendous physical talent, who is probably at his potential, in terms of his development... Who cares if the 49ers overpay for him?
Re: Kaepernick's Value
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:16 pm
by SkinsJock
Countertrey wrote:I have no idea what your point might be ... I mean, so what? Kaepernick is a tremendous physical talent, who is probably at his potential, in terms of his development ... Who cares if the 49ers overpay for him?
agreed - that's really the point ... not sure what DM is trying to get at here either ...
Kaepernick is just another player that will most likely get paid more than he's worth
Re: Kaepernick's Value
Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 6:46 pm
by DarthMonk
It's just an inquiry to a message board in a forum called around the league fellas. I'm not sure I've seen any thread yet where what we think actually matters. It's the off-season, things are pretty slow around here, and a guy who I think is not all that great sounds like he wants $20 million plus a year. I was just wondering how the few people who are actually visiting the board felt about it.
Re: Kaepernick's Value
Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:25 am
by SkinsJock
Kaepernick is a 'really good' QB - I look for him to get a 'really good' contract
nothing 'new' here - most NFL contracts are not based on what a player is 'worth' ...
I really like how Griffin, Kaepernick and Wilson play QB - maybe Kaepernick & Wilson are 'worth' more to their franchises - Griffin will soon show his real 'value'
Re: Kaepernick's Value
Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:20 am
by DarthMonk
SkinsJock wrote:Kaepernick is a 'really good' QB - I look for him to get a 'really good' contract
nothing 'new' here - most NFL contracts are not based on what a player is 'worth' ...
I really like how Griffin, Kaepernick and Wilson play QB - maybe Kaepernick & Wilson are 'worth' more to their franchises - Griffin will soon show his real 'value'
I'm thinking the situation in SF (and Seattle) reflects a philosophy often discussed here - you do not need a great QB if you have good lines, etc. The situation in GB is pretty much just the opposite.
I'm thinking SF with Rodgers is a juggernaut and GB with Kap is not very good.
The next 2 years here and then Griff's next contract will be very interesting.
Re: Kaepernick's Value
Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:59 pm
by SkinsJock
I think we're lucky that we have Griffin and that he's going to show the value in having a good NFL QB with good coaching and good players around him
even really good QBs need to have a good HC and be a part of a good team - Griffin, Kaepernick and Wilson are all good NFL QBs
Re: Kaepernick's Value
Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 2:09 pm
by HEROHAMO
If Tony Romo is getting 100 million. There is no doubt Kap should get 100 million. Look around the league and see the shortage of good Qbs. Plenty of teams would be happy to pay him 100 million.
A young Qb with a rifle arm, blazing speed, good size and is a proven winner. They went to the SB once he became a starter. Was one play away from getting to the SB again.
Very few Qbs I would rather have then Kap.
Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Breez and Andrew Luck. Thats about it.
Re: Kaepernick's Value
Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 4:50 pm
by SkinsJock
The only thing that matters is what SF thinks Kap is worth
saying that Rodgers would be great in San Francisco and that Kaepernick would not do well in Green Bay is worthless
Kap is not playing for Green Bay and while San Francisco thinks he might be worth $100M - Green Bay may not - still means squat
Colin is a really good QB and someone is going to pay him $100M - franchises are basing the amount they pay on what the guy is worth to them based on the current market
Re: Kaepernick's Value
Posted: Mon May 05, 2014 11:20 pm
by yupchagee
HEROHAMO wrote:If Tony Romo is getting 100 million. There is no doubt Kap should get 100 million. Look around the league and see the shortage of good Qbs. Plenty of teams would be happy to pay him 100 million.
A young Qb with a rifle arm, blazing speed, good size and is a proven winner. They went to the SB once he became a starter. Was one play away from getting to the SB again.
Very few Qbs I would rather have then Kap.
Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Breez and Andrew Luck. Thats about it.
For the long term I wouldn't take Brady or P. Manning.
Re: Kaepernick's Value
Posted: Tue May 06, 2014 2:01 pm
by Deadskins
HEROHAMO wrote:Very few Qbs I would rather have then Kap.
Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Breez and Andrew Luck. Thats about it.
RGIII?
Re: Kaepernick's Value
Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 12:29 am
by DarthMonk
Deadskins wrote:HEROHAMO wrote:Very few Qbs I would rather have then Kap.
Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Breez and Andrew Luck. Thats about it.
RGIII?
Thanks for chiming in fellas.
I would have rather had Alex Smith in that end game against the Ravens.
Wilson?
Re: Kaepernick's Value
Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 10:34 am
by Irn-Bru
I'm pretty low on Kaepernick. I'd take any of the 2012 draft pick starters over him (yes, even Tannehill), and most well respected vets. Stafford, Romo, Cutler, Roethlisberger . . . really any of the well-regarded pocket passers, plus all of the other QBs who are seen as better. Give any of those guys the variety of tools the 49ers have had, and I think they do at least as well.
(If we are talking about right now and not building a team, that is — otherwise players like Manning, Brady, Rogers, etc. start to look less appealing.)
By my estimates that puts Kaepernick at about 15-20th. So, yeah, I guess I don't think very highly of him.
Re: Kaepernick's Value
Posted: Sun May 11, 2014 10:18 pm
by SkinsJock
Irn-Bru wrote:I'm pretty low on Kaepernick. I'd take any of the 2012 draft pick starters over him (yes, even Tannehill), and most well respected vets. Stafford, Romo, Cutler, Roethlisberger . . . really any of the well-regarded pocket passers, plus all of the other QBs who are seen as better. Give any of those guys the variety of tools the 49ers have had, and I think they do at least as well.
(If we are talking about right now and not building a team, that is — otherwise players like Manning, Brady, Rogers, etc. start to look less appealing.)
By my estimates that puts Kaepernick at about 15-20th. So, yeah, I guess I don't think very highly of him.
FFA - I see your point but don't you agree that a QBs value can be 'measured' by both what he means to the team & offense he plays with and by his individual talent
IMO Colin is a good QB but so are a lot of those guys - some would not be as good in offenses or with teams that don't suit them - but that's the way it is
IMO - Robert's first 2 seasons are not indicative of his real value - he will soon show the QB ability that he really is capable of ...
I'm looking forward to this a lot
Re: Kaepernick's Value
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:22 pm
by SkinsJock
well it looks like someone else likes Colin K as a QB
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-foo ... llion-dealI love it -
Re: Kaepernick's Value
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 8:22 pm
by DarthMonk
Interesting contract:
Colin Kaepernick - QB - 49ers
Colin Kaepernick's new contract is a year-to-year deal.
Armchair GMs that spent Wednesday bashing the 49ers for the "$126 million" deal with "$61 million guaranteed" need to click the link below (above).
Essentially, the Niners can cut Kaepernick before April 1 of each year without owing any more money -- so the actual guarantee is just $13 million ($12.3M signing bonus, $645K '14 base salary, $100K '14 workout bonus). There is also a de-escalator in the contract that can only be halted if Kaepernick takes the team to the Super Bowl or he is named first- or second-team All-Pro.
A source tells Pro Football Talk that San Francisco is "thrilled" with the pact.
Source: Profootballtalk on NBCSports.com Jun 5 - 8:31 AM
PS - anyone still wondering what my point was, or what I was trying to get at, or why I started this thread? Seems his team was pretty interested in his value. Geez.
Re: Kaepernick's Value
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:47 pm
by Countertrey
I have no idea what your point was... nor what it is now.
Just how it is. Geez
Re: Kaepernick's Value
Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 11:05 am
by Irn-Bru
Man, when did "guaranteed money" come to mean "not guaranteed money"? Seems like a recent innovation in the NFL.
Re: Kaepernick's Value
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 2:50 pm
by DarthMonk
Countertrey wrote:I have no idea what your point was... nor what it is now.
Just how it is. Geez
Looks like the San Francisco 49ers front office got it !! Looks like quite the negotiation went on concerning his value. I suppose it was pretty strange of me to start a thread about a guy on another team in the NFL in the Around the League forum after some of his colleagues got monster contracts and his took a while to hammer out and ends up being quite unique in its structure. Silly me.
Re: Kaepernick's Value
Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2014 4:43 pm
by SkinsJock
DarthMonk wrote:I'm thinking a lot of QBs could have taken the 49ers pretty deep the last 2 years.
Which of these guys is just as good or better than Kap? I know Kap moves better than almost all if not all of them but I saw him not see wide open guys in the end zone in the Super Bowl a year ago and I saw him throw some ugly picks in crunch time in the title game this past year.
No way I'm giving Kap the old $100 M for 5 years.
I totally disagree with you - IMO Colin is a good fit for that coach and that franchise
he's 'worth' over a $100M to them and that's all that counts
Re: Kaepernick's Value
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:29 am
by Deadskins
SkinsJock wrote:he's 'worth' over a $100M to them and that's all that counts
From the actual terms of the contract, he's only worth that much if he wins SBs, gets named 1st or 2nd team All-Pro, and they want to keep paying him every year for seven years.
Re: Kaepernick's Value
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 10:51 am
by SkinsJock
Colin Kaepernick is worth more than some here think and he will continue to show that on the field each year
I could care less about what a QB makes or his 'value' compared to other QBs - QBs are measured by what they do, not what they make