The-Hogs.net - Washington Football Discussion, Redskins to Commanders Era

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Man, I've been saying this all year! He has so much more to do to get a w then those teams because of their D. Add in Az, Stl, and kind of chi not as good as they used to be.. but point being rgiii had to put the team on his back and score a gazillion points to seal the deal. He is far from perfect but won't win a game w less then 350+ yards through the air and with his legs. Some of those other guys get the w with sub 150 yard games!
I'd bet he still has more passing yards then Wilson even minus the 4 games and counting Wilson's post season.. with less being needed to win, u get less picks, less scrambles, less hits.. seems like he is always trying to do too much... Granted, he knows a 21 point lead is never safe with our terrible D!

riggofan wrote:We were dead last in points allowed, but middle of the pack in yards allowed. How is that? Too many turnovers on offense? Bad special teams?

riggofan wrote:It kind of cracks me up to see a thread with the word "super bowl" in it.

Super Bowl? Man, I would be thrilled just to be a functional, competitive team for three or four years in a row. Is that too much to hope for?

Irn-Bru wrote:

riggofan wrote:It kind of cracks me up to see a thread with the word "super bowl" in it.

Super Bowl? Man, I would be thrilled just to be a functional, competitive team for three or four years in a row. Is that too much to hope for?

"Playoffs! Playoffs?!"

riggofan wrote:It kind of cracks me up to see a thread with the word "super bowl" in it.

Super Bowl? - I would be thrilled just to be a functional, competitive team for three or four years in a row. Is that too much to hope for?

SkinsJock wrote:the Redskins have a lot of work to do to be a consistently competitive team again - it's really unrealistic to think about getting there in the near term

wake up guys - properly building a team with good depth takes more than a year ...

riggofan wrote:I'd just like to watch a team that looks every Sunday like they have a legitimate chance to win the game. Nearly every game in 2013 was a joke.

Deadskins wrote:

riggofan wrote:I'd just like to watch a team that looks every Sunday like they have a legitimate chance to win the game. Nearly every game in 2013 was a joke.

I disagree with that. There were more games that were close, than there were where we had no chance.

riggofan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

riggofan wrote:I'd just like to watch a team that looks every Sunday like they have a legitimate chance to win the game. Nearly every game in 2013 was a joke.

I disagree with that. There were more games that were close, than there were where we had no chance.

lol. Well, I'm not sure why you would bother to disagree with that. And I'm not really arguing that I want to see the final scores be "close". I said I wanted to watch games where we had a "legitimate chance to win the game". Not sure I consider finishing games with 30 seconds left needing a TD and a two point conversion, an onside kick recovery and a field goal to be all that legitimate.

eagles 33 redskins 27
redskins 20 packers 38
redskins 16 cowboys 31
redskins 16 eagles 24
49ers 27 redskins 6
giants 24 redskins 17
chiefs 45 redskins 10
redskins 6 giants 20

Those are eight losses right there, and anybody who watched them knows how "close" they were in reality. Personally I'd throw the Detroit loss in as well. Yeah we lost by a touchdown, but we managed to score 6 points in the entire second half.

Just my perception of the season.

funsho2 wrote:Get him a good defense.....the NFC is turning into a conference of defense

From the niners to the seahawks to the panthers to the saints......I didn't really see much from russell wilson and colin kaepernick to say they are better than Rg3....but having a great defense really helps...it ease the pressure when the offense fails. Until we build our defense like the niners and seahawks...we shouldn't expect super bowls any time soon

riggofan wrote:Here is a question for you brainiacs though. We were dead last in points allowed, but middle of the pack in yards allowed. How is that? Too many turnovers on offense? Bad special teams?

The Redskins defense has allowed 409 points or 27.2 points per game against. Anybody with half a brain (I hope that includes YOU) should understand that a defensive unit should not be charged for the SEVEN return touchdowns that the offense and special teams have gift wrapped for the Redskins opponents. That's 49 points taken away from the commonly cited 458 that you can not charge the defense with. They weren't even on the field.

The Redskins defense under Jim Haslett also begins drives with the worst starting field position in the NFL. According to FootballOutsiders.com defensive drive stats, Washington's opponents start their possessions at the 31.98 yard line on average. That reality is almost laughable.

Perhaps the most damning stat that illustrates a defensive unit that has had their backs consistently against the wall, is that TEN of the 50 touchdowns the unit has allowed have been on drives of 30 yards or less. That's 20 % of all touchdown drives allowed. Don't know about you, but that is preposterous.

To further illustrate, six of those ten touchdowns have been scored on drives of 15 yards or less. Again, these are not excuses but the facts would suggest that the Redskins defense has been put in awful situations and while they have not been able to bail out the offense or special teams, they certainly are not as bad as many think.

EA7649 wrote:Well if this mystery defense wins champions. We are screwed for the next few years

I think having a good balance and an affective defense will get the job done if the offense is real good. I think the Broncos will win in a few weeks they are really only good against the run. And they are about average with everything else, but been stepping their game up lately.

Have to score some points in-order to win.

DarthMonk wrote:A few relevant tidbits:

The Redskins defense has allowed 409 points or 27.2 points per game against. Anybody with half a brain (I hope that includes YOU) should understand that a defensive unit should not be charged for the SEVEN return touchdowns that the offense and special teams have gift wrapped for the Redskins opponents. That's 49 points taken away from the commonly cited 458 that you can not charge the defense with. They weren't even on the field.

The Redskins defense under Jim Haslett also begins drives with the worst starting field position in the NFL. According to FootballOutsiders.com defensive drive stats, Washington's opponents start their possessions at the 31.98 yard line on average. That reality is almost laughable.

Perhaps the most damning stat that illustrates a defensive unit that has had their backs consistently against the wall, is that TEN of the 50 touchdowns the unit has allowed have been on drives of 30 yards or less. That's 20 % of all touchdown drives allowed. Don't know about you, but that is preposterous.

To further illustrate, six of those ten touchdowns have been scored on drives of 15 yards or less. Again, these are not excuses but the facts would suggest that the Redskins defense has been put in awful situations and while they have not been able to bail out the offense or special teams, they certainly are not as bad as many think.

SkinsJock wrote: what are you talking about? did you read & understand DM's post that shows that the defense was not as bad as many thought?

riggofan wrote:

SkinsJock wrote: what are you talking about? did you read & understand DM's post that shows that the defense was not as bad as many thought?

haha. Well I'm still not sure about that. They were still in the bottom half of the league in yardage allowed.
They may not be as awful as the points allowed would show, but they were still bad.

SkinsJock wrote:

EA7649 wrote:Well if this mystery defense wins champions. We are screwed for the next few years

I think having a good balance and an affective defense will get the job done if the offense is real good. I think the Broncos will win in a few weeks they are really only good against the run. And they are about average with everything else, but been stepping their game up lately.

Have to score some points in-order to win.

what are you talking about? did you read & understand DM's post that shows that the defense was not as bad as many thought?

and - which game will the Broncos "win in a few weeks .."?

OldSchool wrote:If a lockdown CB is a available the Skins should use their 2nd round pick on him.