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Robert Griffin III - QB - Redskins

New coach Jay Gruden said he will take advantage of Robert Griffin III's skills as a runner.

Back in the 2011 draft, Gruden pushed for the Bengals to pass on Colin Kaepernick in favor of Andy Dalton because he wasn't "into the read-option stuff." He's since changed his tune. "I would be foolish to try to turn RG3 into a pocket passer. It would be foolish," Gruden said. "The way he is as a runner, we have to take advantage of that. He strikes fear into defensive coordinators when he runs outside. I'm going to let him be himself." By the time Week 1 rolls around, Griffin will be roughly 21 months removed from his ACL surgery. He projects to record far more than the 37.6 rushing yards and zero rushing touchdowns he produced in 2013.

Source: SI.com Jan 20 - 10:04 AM

DarthMonk wrote:Robert Griffin III - QB - Redskins

New coach Jay Gruden said he will take advantage of Robert Griffin III's skills as a runner.

Back in the 2011 draft, Gruden pushed for the Bengals to pass on Colin Kaepernick in favor of Andy Dalton because he wasn't "into the read-option stuff." He's since changed his tune. "I would be foolish to try to turn RG3 into a pocket passer. It would be foolish," Gruden said. "The way he is as a runner, we have to take advantage of that. He strikes fear into defensive coordinators when he runs outside. I'm going to let him be himself." By the time Week 1 rolls around, Griffin will be roughly 21 months removed from his ACL surgery. He projects to record far more than the 37.6 rushing yards and zero rushing touchdowns he produced in 2013.

Source: SI.com Jan 20 - 10:04 AM

I heard a little about that and people are speculating about why he would say that on 980. Going to be interesting to see how this plays out. If Robert is going to do that, he needs to learn how not to get hit. I think he will get tagged in the pocket and ruffed up. Just my opinion. also I read this

“You know what, I think a lot of people have asked about that, and I think that’s one of the things that makes Jay such a great coach,” McVay said. “You often talk about fitting players into your scheme; Jay is gonna fit his scheme to our players. And what we’ve been built to do, as far as the run game’s concerned, is kind of continue to run some of those outside zone principals, where we’re built to run and stretch people. And any time you have a dynamic threat at quarterback like Robert — you obviously want to be careful with how much you’re doing it — but it does put the pressure on a defense and sometimes regulates it. So I think you’ll see bits and pieces. And then we’ll obviously incorporate some of the things that he was able to have success with in Cincinnati, with what he was able to do with Andy and A.J. Green and Giovani Bernard, those types of guys. So he’ll do a great job of figuring out what’s best for our players and then fitting that scheme to them.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc- ... s-offense/

Which leads me to believe we will see most of the same Olineman still here.

Kilmer72 wrote:Which leads me to believe we will see most of the same Olineman still here.

... as do the Morris quotes in the other thread. Trent is locked. I think Licht is too though he may move over. It will be interesting to see whom we might pursue.

DarthMonk wrote:Robert Griffin III - QB - Redskins

New coach Jay Gruden said he will take advantage of Robert Griffin III's skills as a runner.

Back in the 2011 draft, Gruden pushed for the Bengals to pass on Colin Kaepernick in favor of Andy Dalton because he wasn't "into the read-option stuff." He's since changed his tune. "I would be foolish to try to turn RG3 into a pocket passer. It would be foolish," Gruden said. "The way he is as a runner, we have to take advantage of that. He strikes fear into defensive coordinators when he runs outside. I'm going to let him be himself." By the time Week 1 rolls around, Griffin will be roughly 21 months removed from his ACL surgery. He projects to record far more than the 37.6 rushing yards and zero rushing touchdowns he produced in 2013.

Source: SI.com Jan 20 - 10:04 AM

This is what I like about a young coach. He's not too set in his ways to try something different.

yupchagee wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:Robert Griffin III - QB - Redskins

New coach Jay Gruden said he will take advantage of Robert Griffin III's skills as a runner.

Back in the 2011 draft, Gruden pushed for the Bengals to pass on Colin Kaepernick in favor of Andy Dalton because he wasn't "into the read-option stuff." He's since changed his tune. "I would be foolish to try to turn RG3 into a pocket passer. It would be foolish," Gruden said. "The way he is as a runner, we have to take advantage of that. He strikes fear into defensive coordinators when he runs outside. I'm going to let him be himself." By the time Week 1 rolls around, Griffin will be roughly 21 months removed from his ACL surgery. He projects to record far more than the 37.6 rushing yards and zero rushing touchdowns he produced in 2013.

Source: SI.com Jan 20 - 10:04 AM

This is what I like about a young coach. He's not too set in his ways to try something different.

Exactly. I like him saying the word foolish on turning him into a pocket passer. I'm sure he will get better in the pocket. But that's not why he was drafted second, to be a pocket passer. Him and his dad need to be less vocal with what they want it just starts trouble.

DarthMonk wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:Which leads me to believe we will see most of the same Olineman still here.

... as do the Morris quotes in the other thread. Trent is locked. I think Licht is too though he may move over. It will be interesting to see whom we might pursue.

Anthony Collins from the Bengals?

Whomever they have staying next year I just hope Morris doesn't have to contend with multiple defenders 3 out 4 yards deep in the backfield dozens of time in a game. He must lead th league in making something out of nothing.

I'm hopping we have improvements at RT and one or both of the guard spots. I would be nice if our OL could create a pocket for RG3 to step up into. I'm not talking on every passing play but how about more than half.

There's no doubt IMO that we'll see a much improved offense and a lot better performance from RG3 this season ...

it might take a season or 2 for the O line to fully develop (& add depth) - having a really good QB & RB has to be a big help to any offensive scheme

skinsfan#33 wrote: I'm hopping we have improvements at RT and one or both of the guard spots. I would be nice if our OL could create a pocket for RG3 to step up into. I'm not talking on every passing play but how about more than half.

I think, at a minimum, RG and RT MUST be upgraded. LG would be great, but not mandatory, but depth is more critical.

Hopefully we can get a few guys from within to step up and fill those roles next season, possibly Compton, LeRibus, and/or Gettis.

PAPDOG67 wrote:Hopefully we can get a few guys from within to step up and fill those roles next season, possibly Compton, LeRibus, and/or Gettis.

Wasted draft picks if we don't!

riggofan wrote:

PAPDOG67 wrote:Hopefully we can get a few guys from within to step up and fill those roles next season, possibly Compton, LeRibus, and/or Gettis.

Wasted draft picks if we don't!

Frankly, if they were likely to step up, I think we would have seen something by now.

the reality is that Jay is going to do the best he can with what he's got - we have to build an offensive line and we basically have 1 guy there - we do have RG3 and Alf plus some other weapons

it's going to take time to build the offense to where we can say we can consistently compete - we'll be OK as we have a really good QB but we just 'lost' a year because he was not prepared well enough to play last season and he was obviously not completely on board with the changes Mike & Kyle put in

we're lucky to have our franchise QB and he will lift the offense but it takes a long while to get the O line in shape to play together

Countertrey wrote:

riggofan wrote:

PAPDOG67 wrote:Hopefully we can get a few guys from within to step up and fill those roles next season, possibly Compton, LeRibus, and/or Gettis.

Wasted draft picks if we don't!

Frankly, if they were likely to step up, I think we would have seen something by now.

Man, I sure hope you're wrong about that.

^ so do I... but, these are positions that generally don't need a lot of development...

Countertrey wrote:^ so do I... but, these are positions that generally don't need a lot of development...

As a unit....they do...Id guess NOBODY had ANY issues 2 years ago when everything was hunky-dory....Now the offense underperforms and its the OL....or the DEF....or ST....God forbid, BOB had a sophmore slump

RG3peat wrote:

Countertrey wrote:^ so do I... but, these are positions that generally don't need a lot of development...

As a unit....they do...Id guess NOBODY had ANY issues 2 years ago when everything was hunky-dory....Now the offense underperforms and its the OL....or the DEF....or ST....God forbid, BOB had a sophmore slump

You have to earn the right to be on the "unit". They didn't... on a very deficient unit... there is likely a reason for that.

Countertrey wrote: these are positions (O linemen) that generally don't need a lot of development...

+1 - an O line can be 'good' pretty quickly - having time together to develop chemistry and having quality depth will get you into the 'very good O line' category

I think we'll see an improvement this season, but, let's be honest, we were very disappointing last season on both sides of the ball ...

we do have a number of good players to build around & Jay Gruden will bring some 'enthusiasm' - we'll be competitive but we're a little ways from being a good team again

RG3 will be a factor - he and Alfred will form a good base for anything that Gruden and McVay want to get done here ....

Countertrey wrote:^ so do I... but, these are positions that generally don't need a lot of development...

WOW. Is that true? I mean, I guess we're talking about a fifth and sixth round pick with Compton and Gettis, but LeRibeus was a third rounder. That seems like a huge whiff to not hit on at least one of those guys. Bummer.

I was just looking at Chad Rinehart's stats. That's a guy we drafted in the third round who apparently couldn't get on the field for us, but has since gone on to start for Buffalo and San Diego last year. Any thoughts on comparing a player like that to LeRibeus, for example?

Riggofan I was thinking the exact same thing. While Countertry is right that O-line usually doesn't require too much development, some guys do take longer than others to find their niche in the NFL. I was thinking of Reinhart as a good example. Let's hope that's the case with these guys.

Excerpts:

"My goal in training camp is to see how much he can develop as a drop-back passer," Gruden said. "Obviously he can do the rollouts and the naked bootlegs and all that. But let's see what he can do from the pocket, and if he can run from there, that's when he'll really get a lot of yards."

"There comes a point in a season, in a game, when you have to do some dropback passing," he said. "You are going to have third-and-12 where you can run read option or a bubble screen. If you are down two touchdowns late in the third quarter, you have to be able to be a dropback passing team. You have to have that part established. So we really want to focus on that, teach him some concepts we like and have at it."

"It's a long season," Gruden said. "It's a 16-game grind. You don't want him getting hit 15, 20 times a game on read options. You have to keep your stars healthy. You don't want to put him at risk too much. But that's who he is. It's what he is as a quarterback. He's very effective in that regard."

Link:

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/66930520

DarthMonk wrote:Excerpts:

"My goal in training camp is to see how much he can develop as a drop-back passer," Gruden said. "Obviously he can do the rollouts and the naked bootlegs and all that. But let's see what he can do from the pocket, and if he can run from there, that's when he'll really get a lot of yards."

"There comes a point in a season, in a game, when you have to do some dropback passing," he said. "You are going to have third-and-12 where you can run read option or a bubble screen. If you are down two touchdowns late in the third quarter, you have to be able to be a dropback passing team. You have to have that part established. So we really want to focus on that, teach him some concepts we like and have at it."

"It's a long season," Gruden said. "It's a 16-game grind. You don't want him getting hit 15, 20 times a game on read options. You have to keep your stars healthy. You don't want to put him at risk too much. But that's who he is. It's what he is as a quarterback. He's very effective in that regard."

Link:

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/66930520

This is what I expected... The bottom line is, Griffin is not going to have a long career if he does not develop pocket skills, and he knows it. His physical gifts are still off the chart. His intellect cannot be questioned. He has a huge work ethic. His discipline in at least continuing to attempt to develop pocket skills, while getting the snot beat out of him because of the times his line failed... or he held the ball to long... tells me that he is committed. With a full preseason to focus on this, there will be great improvement in his game. He won't be all the way there, because the skills are honed in the game, not in practice or preseason.... but it will happen. By the 6th-8th game, I predict that we will start to see some good production from Bob the pocket passer... assuming the pocket can be kept marginally cleaner than this past season. With repetition, the game slows down... and efficiency improves...

Countertrey wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:Excerpts:

"My goal in training camp is to see how much he can develop as a drop-back passer," Gruden said. "Obviously he can do the rollouts and the naked bootlegs and all that. But let's see what he can do from the pocket, and if he can run from there, that's when he'll really get a lot of yards."

"There comes a point in a season, in a game, when you have to do some dropback passing," he said. "You are going to have third-and-12 where you can run read option or a bubble screen. If you are down two touchdowns late in the third quarter, you have to be able to be a dropback passing team. You have to have that part established. So we really want to focus on that, teach him some concepts we like and have at it."

"It's a long season," Gruden said. "It's a 16-game grind. You don't want him getting hit 15, 20 times a game on read options. You have to keep your stars healthy. You don't want to put him at risk too much. But that's who he is. It's what he is as a quarterback. He's very effective in that regard."

Link:

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/66930520

This is what I expected... The bottom line is, Griffin is not going to have a long career if he does not develop pocket skills, and he knows it. His physical gifts are still off the chart. His intellect cannot be questioned. He has a huge work ethic. His discipline in at least continuing to attempt to develop pocket skills, while getting the snot beat out of him because of the times his line failed... or he held the ball to long... tells me that he is committed. With a full preseason to focus on this, there will be great improvement in his game. He won't be all the way there, because the skills are honed in the game, not in practice or preseason.... but it will happen. By the 6th-8th game, I predict that we will start to see some good production from Bob the pocket passer... assuming the pocket can be kept marginally cleaner than this past season. With repetition, the game slows down... and efficiency improves...

That's realistic and ideal. I honestly think he will struggle a little bit in pre-season (if cousins is still on the team we'll here whos sthe starter junk). Once the regular season starts he will scramble when he feels pressure take a few unnecessary hits. Then a game or so after he will take less hits.

For his pocket passing. He will struggle in the pre-season, but show some promise. Start of the regular season he will struggle slightly, but will be fairly accurate and making some mistakes (noones perfect), but will get better as the year plays on. If you look at his rookie season he was pretty accurate with his throws when hes confident with his body and has open space. The OLine needs to be much better.

I'd like to note on my prediction seeing, which defenses are in the schedule is kinda important too. So it can be slightly off.

riggofan wrote:

Countertrey wrote:^ so do I... but, these are positions that generally don't need a lot of development...

WOW. Is that true? I mean, I guess we're talking about a fifth and sixth round pick with Compton and Gettis, but LeRibeus was a third rounder. That seems like a huge whiff to not hit on at least one of those guys. Bummer.

I was just looking at Chad Rinehart's stats. That's a guy we drafted in the third round who apparently couldn't get on the field for us, but has since gone on to start for Buffalo and San Diego last year. Any thoughts on comparing a player like that to LeRibeus, for example?

I think Chad is a FA this year. Think he's worth a look?

I think we can be assured that there will be upgrades throughout the offense. We saw that the line was good in 2012. We saw that with an indecisive QB, it'll look like garbage in 2013. At the end of 2013, we saw that with a decisive QB, they can go multiple games without giving up a sack. With some upgrades, a decisive/accurate QB, they'll improve.

Robert will finally be healthy. He'll finally have an entire offseason to work towards the goal of perfecting his craft. Gruden will focus on his footwork, that will help his accuracy. Hopefully the new coaching stuff will be able to aide him in his ability to discern defenses.