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I am very skeptical about the need to change the name of the team. I doubt many American Indians find the name offensive but Snyder should visit some tribes and talk with them. I think common decency requires taking the concerns expressed by the DC Native American advocacy group serious by reaching out to many tribes to assess their feelings.

I am not an expert but a tribe was headquartered in my home town so I grew up and went to school with Native Americans. I don't claim to have any real insight into how members of that tribe or others feel about the name but I do think my classmates were really grounded and easy going people and from what I saw of the adult members of the tribe were like that as well. I would guess more members would like the name than dislike it but the biggest portion wouldn't care at all. I think it would be not only the right thing to do but the smart thing as well.

If he does decide the Redskin name has to go I think I have a great alternative that the fans could embrace. I think the Redskin name was chosen because people associate strength, courage and unity with American Indians. We have some people in the community, across the country and around the world that we revere for their courage, selflessness, strength and loyalty, I am speaking of course of the Armed Forces of the United States. This community is where our war fighters are headquartered so I the a great new name would be the Washington Warriors!

I envision a new red, white and blue uniforms with a blue helmet with 50 small faint white stars spread out over the helmet and a gold or bronze outline of the Pentagon on the side of the helmet. A red jersey with white pants with a red stripe .

Like I said I don't want the team to change the name unless they visit and talk to a number of tribes and validate that there is indeed real concern about the name and this isn't just an issue a DC advocacy group decided would make a good topic for a grievance. If there really is hurt and anger because of the Redskin name than I think honoring our armed forces would be a good idea that the community could embrace.

My suggestions:

1. The Washington Resistance
2. The Washington Revolutionaries
3. The Washington Cloak and Dagger

Snout wrote:My suggestions:

1. The Washington Resistance
2. The Washington Revolutionaries
3. The Washington Cloak and Dagger

The Washington Gridlock

"The Nations Team"

Actually that is a little bit of a joke. A jab at the Cowgirl and a tie to the Nats.

I like the Warriors, with the new color scheme. But my personal choice, if forces, just change the name back to the team's original name; the Braves!

A few things that make Warriors work.

Alliteration.

Using Warriors and not having it be about Indians. If we tried Warriors but kept the logo there would be even more upoar.

George Michael tried to give this tee shirt away once during the height of an object-to-the-name cycle (SMH):



I'd like keep the logo and change to Braves - IF we are going to change.

I doubt the PC crowd will ever effect this name change BS on the Redskins ... there is too much support to keep the name that we do not hear from

I would have no issue with the Washington Braves - then you keep all the words in the fight song to piss off the PC crowd after every score

SkinsJock wrote:I doubt the PC crowd will ever effect this name change BS on the Redskins ... there is too much support to keep the name that we do not hear from

I would have no issue with the Washington Braves - then you keep all the words in the fight song to piss off the PC crowd after every score

+1 I'm with you. If it had to change I could live with Braves. At least I would hope it wouldn't be something I consider to be stupid like Wizards.

I like the Braves also but I think any Native American reference would be problematic and the object of attack. Florida State and Central Michigan have been subject criticism for being the Seminoles and Chippewas even when these schools have the permission of these local tribes.

OldSchool wrote:I like the Braves also but I think any Native American reference would be problematic and the object of attack. Florida State and Central Michigan have been subject criticism for being the Seminoles and Chippewas even when these schools have the permission of these local tribes.

They don't face nearly the same kind of pressure the Skins do, though.

DarthMonk wrote:Alliteration.

Using Warriors and not having it be about Indians. If we tried Warriors but kept the logo there would be even more upoar.

I disagree. Right now our (dignified, great) logo is one of the saving graces of the current controversy. If we kept it and called the team the Braves, that would be the least worst change (i.e., the best change), IMHO. No one could realistically call the team name/logo racist at that point, and attention would swing much more toward other teams like the Cleveland Indians.

OldSchool wrote:I like the Braves also but I think any Native American reference would be problematic and the object of attack. Florida State and Central Michigan have been subject criticism for being the Seminoles and Chippewas even when these schools have the permission of these local tribes.

Your probably right, I would have to say then pick on the Chiefs, Indians and anything that has a remote possibility of racial discrimination.(Vikings etc...) If we picked the Penelope Pitstop's they would have a problem. It isn't about the racial slur that isn't so. It is about making a political name for a small group. I understand it it. I have posted this before in another thread. A friend of mine, a full blooded American Indian, told me this when I asked if he was offended by the name. He said it wasn't about that. I wont go into detail. Just understand there are agendas.

Irn-Bru wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:Alliteration.

Using Warriors and not having it be about Indians. If we tried Warriors but kept the logo there would be even more upoar.

I disagree. Right now our (dignified, great) logo is one of the saving graces of the current controversy. If we kept it and called the team the Braves, that would be the least worst change (i.e., the best change), IMHO. No one could realistically call the team name/logo racist at that point, and attention would swing much more toward other teams like the Cleveland Indians.

Agreed. Nobody could call the logo racist or insulting in any way. Warriors would work. Braves would work.

Although, after this season, I'm starting to think the Washington Tumbleweeds would be appropriate.

UK Skins Fan wrote:Nobody could call the logo racist or insulting in any way.

I don't think they can now. Not if they know its history, anyway.

Irn-Bru wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:Alliteration.

Using Warriors and not having it be about Indians. If we tried Warriors but kept the logo there would be even more upoar.

I disagree. Right now our (dignified, great) logo is one of the saving graces of the current controversy. If we kept it and called the team the Braves, that would be the least worst change (i.e., the best change), IMHO. No one could realistically call the team name/logo racist at that point, and attention would swing much more toward other teams like the Cleveland Indians.

You are disagreeing with this: ?

Keeping the logo and changing the name to the Warriors would increase the uproar.

Just trying to clarify.

The Cleveland Indians and Atlanta Braves have taken some guff for their names, I don't know about the KC Chiefs. I like the teams being name after American Indians and while I don't know for sure I think the majority of Indians like these nick names also but there is a hardcore element that objects to the whole Indian name thing and are so invested in victimhood ideology that removing the Redskin reference to skin color or red war paint isn't going to be enough to satisfy these extremists or stop the grievance industry from carping. Which is why Washington Warriors in honor of our arm services would make almost everyone happy, the military is the only thing universally liked about this town.

UK Skins Fan wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:Alliteration.

Using Warriors and not having it be about Indians. If we tried Warriors but kept the logo there would be even more upoar.

I disagree. Right now our (dignified, great) logo is one of the saving graces of the current controversy. If we kept it and called the team the Braves, that would be the least worst change (i.e., the best change), IMHO. No one could realistically call the team name/logo racist at that point, and attention would swing much more toward other teams like the Cleveland Indians.

Agreed. Nobody could call the logo racist or insulting in any way. Warriors would work. Braves would work.

Although, after this season, I'm starting to think the Washington Tumbleweeds would be appropriate.

I disagree with the Warriors and same logo not being interpreted by many, if not more, as insulting. The opponents would be talking about violence in addition to racism.

I could be wrong.

To clarify. I am not talking about the logo being considered racist. I'm talking about the name Warriors with the current logo vs. the name Warriors with Oldschool's military logo/theme.

The name Warriors would certainly draw ire (from mostly the same people objecting to Redskins now) with our current logo - ire that the name Warriors would not draw if it referenced the military as Oldschool is suggesting. The Redskin objectors would have won their fight and would be done with it.

OldSchool wrote: - snip -We have some people in the community, across the country and around the world that we revere for their courage, selflessness, strength and loyalty, I am speaking of course of the Armed Forces of the United States. This community is where our war fighters are headquartered so I the a great new name would be the Washington Warriors!

I envision a new red, white and blue uniforms with a blue helmet with 50 small faint white stars spread out over the helmet and a gold or bronze outline of the Pentagon on the side of the helmet. A red jersey with white pants with a red stripe .

This is one of the reasons Warriors works. If anyone out there wants to submit that simply changing Redskins to Warriors and retaining everything else would quiet the objections ... well ... SMH.

No.

In my 32 years in the military... I never heard a soldier, marine or sailor describe themselves as "warrior"...

Done.

^^ I think we are clear now.

Redskins first.

Braves second.

Haven't heard a third I can embrace.

I find it reprehensible that pejoration has occluded the origin of the name and led small minded peoples to assume it offensive. My suggestion: The Washington Algoncin-Delaware Redskins, Washington Redskins for short. This Clarifies thus obviating any mistaken offense, allows retailing to continue with current name and logo, and offers new marketing opportunities with "extended name" gear.

Countertrey wrote:No.

In my 32 years in the military... I never heard a soldier, marine or sailor describe themselves as "warrior"...

Done.

First, thank you for your service. I worked with the military for years and they were referred to as war fighters was frequently used but I agree with you I haven't heard them refer to themselves as warriors. When I thought of the team's named being associated with our military I thought it made sense because we associate the military with courage, strength and teamwork and it is the local industry.

I think war fighters would not work for several reasons but warriors would. The Washington Defenders would also work but I think of lawyers with that name.

Someone posted a message on a forum not long ago, that caught a lot of attention ... I must paraphrase, as I don't recall the exact wording ... but it went something like this:

Breaking News - The Washington Redskins Have Agreed To Change Names

Due to the ongoing controversy regarding the Washington Redskins team name, which some consider racist and offensive, the team has agreed to change its name. As you may be aware, the name, Washington Redskins has generated a lot of legal battles for years. Groups find the name offensive, insensitive, racist, and undignified. The name also conjurs unflattering images, irresponsibility, and a rejection of good behavior, and decent moral standards.

Therefore, it has been decided, that beginning in the upcoming 2014 Football season, the team will abandon the offensive name, and start using the name ... The Redskins.

DarthMonk wrote:^^ I think we are clear now.

Redskins first.

Braves second.

Haven't heard a third I can embrace.

Amen

Arrows. They could use the vintage logo and keep the colors and Native American imagery.

DarthMonk wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:Alliteration.

Using Warriors and not having it be about Indians. If we tried Warriors but kept the logo there would be even more upoar.

I disagree. Right now our (dignified, great) logo is one of the saving graces of the current controversy. If we kept it and called the team the Braves, that would be the least worst change (i.e., the best change), IMHO. No one could realistically call the team name/logo racist at that point, and attention would swing much more toward other teams like the Cleveland Indians.

You are disagreeing with this: ?

Keeping the logo and changing the name to the Warriors would increase the uproar.

Just trying to clarify.

Correct. I think the uproar has been over the term "Redskins" in particular. Even Warriors + our logo wouldn't cause as much controversy, IMO.