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Gruden's the new coach. But what will he do as the coach or tell the offensive coordinator to run? There is already a report Robert is adamant he wants to run a pro-style offense and no read-option according to Ian Rapopart. I don't know how much merit he has. But my input is do this, since Robert will have a longer career if he's a pocket passer. They should groom Robert as a pocket passer so he gets better at it, while running both pocket passing and read-option at times and see where it leads. The QB is a dynamic quarterback with his skills and can't completely throw it away, so just do less read-option in the games.

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Well never mind. I'm sure they will run the different QB options well. I hope there is no conflict with the QB and the coach http://www.csnwashington.com/football-w ... ead-option

Yep, needs to progress as a pro style qb...still move the pocket, bootlegs and YES still a little option....they just need better formation in the pistol....all that tight 1 read garbage with WRs lining up in backfield was just STUPID.... HOW ABOUT ERIC DECKER as a #2 (or 1) PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EA7649 wrote:Gruden's the new coach. But what will he do as the coach or tell the offensive coordinator to run? There is already a report Robert is adamant he wants to run a pro-style offense and no read-option according to Ian Rapopart. I don't know how much merit he has. But my input is do this, since Robert will have a longer career if he's a pocket passer. They should groom Robert as a pocket passer so he gets better at it, while running both pocket passing and read-option at times and see where it leads. The QB is a dynamic quarterback with his skills and can't completely throw it away, so just do less read-option in the games.

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Griffin wants to run a pro-style offense and become a pocket passer according to the article that doesn't have quotes from Griffin on the subject. I find it hard to believe Griffin is gung-ho to become a pocket passer when he hasn't invested enough time and effort to learn how to read defenses and change protections. I'd love to drop 30 pounds but wishing and wanting doesn't make it happen, I don't want to enough to change my diet and exercise enough to make it happen and Griffin doesn't any more motivated than me. Why didn't he spend enough time watching video and talking with the coaches and Rex or Kirk to figure it out?

If Gruden wants to start Griffin he needs to include some read option and backyard stuff that Griffin know how to do.

Is Gruden going to be calling the plays? I think it would be wise to give up playing calling to focus in on game management. He should focus in on play design and game management.

OldSchool wrote:

EA7649 wrote:Gruden's the new coach. But what will he do as the coach or tell the offensive coordinator to run? There is already a report Robert is adamant he wants to run a pro-style offense and no read-option according to Ian Rapopart. I don't know how much merit he has. But my input is do this, since Robert will have a longer career if he's a pocket passer. They should groom Robert as a pocket passer so he gets better at it, while running both pocket passing and read-option at times and see where it leads. The QB is a dynamic quarterback with his skills and can't completely throw it away, so just do less read-option in the games.

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Griffin wants to run a pro-style offense and become a pocket passer according to the article that doesn't have quotes from Griffin on the subject. I find it hard to believe Griffin is gung-ho to become a pocket passer when he hasn't invested enough time and effort to learn how to read defenses and change protections. I'd love to drop 30 pounds but wishing and wanting doesn't make it happen, I don't want to enough to change my diet and exercise enough to make it happen and Griffin doesn't any more motivated than me. Why didn't he spend enough time watching video and talking with the coaches and Rex or Kirk to figure it out?

If Gruden wants to start Griffin he needs to include some read option and backyard stuff that Griffin know how to do.

I agree somewhat....watching tape and consulting can only go so far....besides, how can you watch tape of a defense that are playing PRO STYLE offenses when we did not? There are no tendancies to go by cause there is no tape of those defenses going up against our formations...NOBODY else ran those crappy zone read crap with TEs and WRs in the backfield (not as much as we used it)....RG3 had 1/2 a playbook as he couldnt run like his rookie year due to injury/brace and he didnt get the footwork/timing all offseason to run a normal offense...it was a wasted year.

OldSchool wrote:

EA7649 wrote:Gruden's the new coach. But what will he do as the coach or tell the offensive coordinator to run? There is already a report Robert is adamant he wants to run a pro-style offense and no read-option according to Ian Rapopart. I don't know how much merit he has. But my input is do this, since Robert will have a longer career if he's a pocket passer. They should groom Robert as a pocket passer so he gets better at it, while running both pocket passing and read-option at times and see where it leads. The QB is a dynamic quarterback with his skills and can't completely throw it away, so just do less read-option in the games.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutd ... --nfl.html

Griffin wants to run a pro-style offense and become a pocket passer according to the article that doesn't have quotes from Griffin on the subject. I find it hard to believe Griffin is gung-ho to become a pocket passer when he hasn't invested enough time and effort to learn how to read defenses and change protections. I'd love to drop 30 pounds but wishing and wanting doesn't make it happen, I don't want to enough to change my diet and exercise enough to make it happen and Griffin doesn't any more motivated than me. Why didn't he spend enough time watching video and talking with the coaches and Rex or Kirk to figure it out?

If Gruden wants to start Griffin he needs to include some read option and backyard stuff that Griffin know how to do.

Case closed... If OldSchool said it, it MUST be true (at least, in the Sally Jenkins school of truth)!

There is every indication that Griffin worked his tail off.

OTOH, it's interesting how two people with very different perspectives can arrive at similar bottom lines...
My opinion...

Please don't feed trolls no matter how old they are.

For anyone to suggest anything on rg3s work ethic, is just ignorance. Coming back.from major surgery on two legs is what he focused on in the off-season.. As far as watching tape, players are quoted saying he is first in and last out. So make empty statements about how he wasn't accurate and didn't go through his proggressions enough all u want.. but save the other members the boredom of reading posts about his work ethic and character. If you followed the man from Baylor instead of jus crying about him not taking us to another division title, you'd know his military background instilled a terrific work.ethic.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Please don't feed trolls no matter how old they are.

For anyone to suggest anything on rg3s work ethic, is just ignorance. Coming back.from major surgery on two legs is what he focused on in the off-season.. As far as watching tape, players are quoted saying he is first in and last out. So make empty statements about how he wasn't accurate and didn't go through his proggressions enough all u want.. but save the other members the boredom of reading posts about his work ethic and character. If you followed the man from Baylor instead of jus crying about him not taking us to another division title, you'd know his military background instilled a terrific work.ethic.

LMAO!!! Robert has never worked hard. He only had a scratch. Anyone could have come back from that in 1/4 of the time. That there should show you how hard he worked. He must have been playing Xbox and eating cheetos all day. What's wrong with him?

Kilmer72 wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Please don't feed trolls no matter how old they are.

For anyone to suggest anything on rg3s work ethic, is just ignorance. Coming back.from major surgery on two legs is what he focused on in the off-season.. As far as watching tape, players are quoted saying he is first in and last out. So make empty statements about how he wasn't accurate and didn't go through his proggressions enough all u want.. but save the other members the boredom of reading posts about his work ethic and character. If you followed the man from Baylor instead of jus crying about him not taking us to another division title, you'd know his military background instilled a terrific work.ethic.

LMAO!!! Robert has never worked hard. He only had a scratch. Anyone could have come back from that in 1/4 of the time. That there should show you how hard he worked. He must have been playing Xbox and eating cheetos all day. What's wrong with him?

I agree with cowboy. Whoever say he isn't a hard worker they are ignorant. He had to recover from a torn ACL twice. Once in school and in the NFL. He worked incredibly hard and continues to work hard. Plus he's a gym rat. I bet you...that some of these workers for the Redskins, have never seen a player with harder work ethic. hope you guys were being sarcastic

EA7649 wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Please don't feed trolls no matter how old they are.

For anyone to suggest anything on rg3s work ethic, is just ignorance. Coming back.from major surgery on two legs is what he focused on in the off-season.. As far as watching tape, players are quoted saying he is first in and last out. So make empty statements about how he wasn't accurate and didn't go through his proggressions enough all u want.. but save the other members the boredom of reading posts about his work ethic and character. If you followed the man from Baylor instead of jus crying about him not taking us to another division title, you'd know his military background instilled a terrific work.ethic.

LMAO!!! Robert has never worked hard. He only had a scratch. Anyone could have come back from that in 1/4 of the time. That there should show you how hard he worked. He must have been playing Xbox and eating cheetos all day. What's wrong with him?

I agree with cowboy. Whoever say he isn't a hard worker they are ignorant. He had to recover from a torn ACL twice. Once in school and in the NFL. He worked incredibly hard and continues to work hard. Plus he's a gym rat. I bet you...that some of these workers for the Redskins, have never seen a player with harder work ethic. hope you guys were being sarcastic

It was said in jest. Notice the laughing. cowboykillerz knows I have defended him plenty. No sense of humor these days.

It's hard to tell around here some times Kilmer! Hell the garbage old people write on here is case in point!
Most of that crap.they actually believe!

I think rgiii will flourish with Gruden here.. we may or may not.see some.option stuff... As well as designed qb runs. Gruden will look to exploit defenses and attack their weaknesses as well as develop RGiii to.take it to the next level... He has some weapons at his disposal and you'd be a fool not to utilize both the arm and feet of Robert.

I hate old people.

Im hoping Gruden realizes how much of an insane talent Morris is and uses him to the best of his ability. Im so stoked right now. They had Dalton, Bernard, Green, and Gresham. We got RG3, Morris, Garcon, and Reed. I cant wait to see how explosive Gruden can make this team. I truly believe we have a shot if we build the defense to be a SB contender in 3 seasons. I hevent been this stoked since we got Gibbs. Ive liked Gruden since he was the head coach for Orlando in the AFL.

I think if healthy and with a full offseason, RG3 will be a lot better in a pro style next year. I thought one of the biggest problems this year was his LACK of mobility. I don't think his knee was healthy enough for him to make quick lateral moves, being that Cousins looked faster than he did IMO. Sure his straight line speed was fine, but that doesn't help in the pocket. He should be much harder to pressure next year, thus making a pro style offense more feasible. It also wouldn't hurt to get some interior linemen that can pass block, which would actually create a pocket, which is something that did not exist in the Shanny era.

AldersonSkinsFan wrote:Im hoping Gruden realizes how much of an insane talent Morris is and uses him to the best of his ability. Im so stoked right now. They had Dalton, Bernard, Green, and Gresham. We got RG3, Morris, Garcon, and Reed. I cant wait to see how explosive Gruden can make this team. I truly believe we have a shot if we build the defense to be a SB contender in 3 seasons. I hevent been this stoked since we got Gibbs. Ive liked Gruden since he was the head coach for Orlando in the AFL.

Yea I'm also afraid of him not running the ball enough, especially if our receiver situation doesn't improve much. It will depend on the personnel whether it will be better to run and set up the pass or pass and set up the run. I think Gruden would prefer to do the latter.

nit picking is a specialty here ...

the question is not 'what offense will Jay Gruden choose to use' - the question is 'how will Jay Gruden make this offense be more effective'

part of the reason we brought in an offensive minded HC is to make the offense better - who cares how he does it as long as it's better

Jay Gruden's going to do what will be most effective for this group of players - not what he's done with other players

I'm kind of excited about the Gruden/McVay combination and having an incredibly motivated, improved RG3, behind center

Pretty sure I heard or read yesterday that Gruden is planning to call plays. I'm not going to pretend to know if that is a good or bad idea, just is what it is.

I watched a lot of JG's press conference and media interviews yesterday. I thought one of the best answers he gave was in response to this annoying lady on channel 9 who asked something along the lines of "RGIII didn't live up to his potential this season, what can you do to make him better?"

Gruden was almost incredulous and very dismissive. I'm summarizing but his response was "Robert is only in his second year! It takes some quarterbacks six or seven years to fully grasp everything about the position." To me it was exactly the right tone and response. He didn't say it this bluntly, but it came across like, "What kind of idiot are you?" and struck me as very protective of the QB. I don't think Shanahan was always so willing to stand up for RGIII that way.

I really think there is potential for a great relationship between Gruden and RGIII. He spoke repeatedly yesterday about looking out for the players, and he clearly understands the QB position from personal experience. Got my fingers crossed that things turn out well for them both.

OldSchool wrote:I find it hard to believe Griffin is gung-ho to become a pocket passer when he hasn't invested enough time and effort to learn how to read defenses and change protections.

Where do you get this stuff?

Why do you guys assume OldSchool is old? He seems very young to me, and his user name is probably just an homage to the Will Ferrell movie.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:It's hard to tell around here some times Kilmer! Most of that crap.they actually believe!

I'll just note, for the record... EA called you "cowboy"...

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Hell the garbage old people write on here is case in point!

ummm...

SkinsJock wrote:nit picking is a specialty here ...

the question is not 'what offense will Jay Gruden choose to use' - the question is 'how will Jay Gruden make this offense be more effective'

Not really... Gruden is an adherent to the WCO... in his mind, a ball control passing game is no different from the ground game... taking small chunks, and keeping the clock running, to control TOP. Expect to see the WCO installed... assuming Gruden and Allen are able to do something with the O-line... ours will not hold up in the WCO.

SkinsJock wrote:part of the reason we brought in an offensive minded HC is to make the offense better - who cares how he does it as long as it's better

Jay Gruden's going to do what will be most effective for this group of players - not what he's done with other players

I'm kind of excited about the Gruden/McVay combination and having an incredibly motivated, improved RG3, behind center

Can't say that I disagree with this... except that I do think he is very committed to moving to the WCO... hopefully, he will adapt until he gets all of the needed pieces... which means possession receivers and an O-line that can straight up pass protect a learning quarterback.

Jay Gruden may be a WCO guy but he's also the HC here now - he will put together a staff and a roster that will be able to execute the game plan that takes best advantage of the players he has - I'm not concerned that he will not find a way to use players that will be helpful to his offense

suggesting that because he favors a certain scheme and that scheme does not suit the player on his roster is just nit picking and is not going to happen

Gruden was brought here to make this franchise consistently competitive - he will assemble a staff and a roster to get that done

We will not have players on the roster or keep players that don't suit what we need to do no matter how 'good' they are

Countertrey wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:nit picking is a specialty here ...

the question is not 'what offense will Jay Gruden choose to use' - the question is 'how will Jay Gruden make this offense be more effective'

Not really... Gruden is an adherent to the WCO... in his mind, a ball control passing game is no different from the ground game... taking small chunks, and keeping the clock running, to control TOP. Expect to see the WCO installed... assuming Gruden and Allen are able to do something with the O-line... ours will not hold up in the WCO.

Roger Craig did OK as a RB in the WCO. Just sayin'.

Countertrey wrote:

Can't say that I disagree with this... except that I do think he is very committed to moving to the WCO... hopefully, he will adapt until he gets all of the needed pieces... which means possession receivers and an O-line that can straight up pass protect a learning quarterback.

This is key. WCO short pass ball control with this oline? We can't fix it all this year I don't believe, although plugging aging vets might be an upgrade.. A center and RT would help. I wouldn't be surprised to see everyone gone to the right of Trent by means of draft and FA. Our center who I think is talented is just too small. Upgrade there and the guys next to him will do better.