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Look, the Redskins are a mess... but let's chalk it up to a lost season and move on.

Bogus cap penalties and injuries killed this team. Can we really blame Shanahan and Haslet for not bringing able to afford any secondary help? How about for injuries to Carriker or Bowen? What about blaming them for the drop off of London Fletcher? Should we blame them for Sleepy Davis falling apart? Can we blame them for lacking the money to upgrade the offensive line?

Fact is, this team has a ton of talent that fits a system. Hitting the reset button means starting over from scratch, teaching RGIII a new system and flipping our current roster. No thanks.

Given this business is based on current results, Shanny and his staff need a clear understanding - the fat lady is on her feet and expectations are high. I believe BA and Shanny will have sufficient resources to put together a winner in 2014 and anything less will be considered a failure and cause for termination.

If Shanny is fired before the season is over, who's going to be the interim head coach? Haslett? Kyle? It's not like it would be any better. Let's finish the season with Mike, and see what happens in the offseason before he's fired.

StorminMormon86 wrote:If Shanny is fired before the season is over, who's going to be the interim head coach? Haslett? Kyle? It's not like it would be any better. Let's finish the season with Mike, and see what happens in the offseason before he's fired.

It can't be any worse either. This is going to be like ripping off a Band-Aid...it's gonna hurt no matter when it's done, so it might as well happen now so we can start the rebuilding of the coaching staff process...the sooner the better I say....

The only question now is about the timing; fire now, or wait four weeks. Frankly, I don't care.

SKINS#1 wrote:Given this business is based on current results, Shanny and his staff need a clear understanding - the fat lady is on her feet and expectations are high. I believe BA and Shanny will have sufficient resources to put together a winner in 2014 and anything less will be considered a failure and cause for termination.

The fat lady has already sung. Our team has regressed tremendously from last season and a person can make up as many excuses as they want, but the facts still remain. We are one of the worst teams in football and bringing back Shanahan when he has already lost control is a setup for disaster. Time to move on...

I have a question for those who don't want Shanny fired now. What possible good can come to the team by keeping him on? It isn't like the team is going to be any worse than they are right now even if the interim coach is some Joe Blow off the street. We have hit rock bottom!

grampi wrote:I have a question for those who don't want Shanny fired now. What possible good can come to the team by keeping him on? It isn't like the team is going to be any worse than they are right now even if the interim coach is some Joe Blow off the street. We have hit rock bottom!

People are afraid of change. The results speak for themselves and I don't see any positives on keeping Shanahan on the coaching staff.

Cappster wrote:

grampi wrote:I have a question for those who don't want Shanny fired now. What possible good can come to the team by keeping him on? It isn't like the team is going to be any worse than they are right now even if the interim coach is some Joe Blow off the street. We have hit rock bottom!

People are afraid of change. The results speak for themselves and I don't see any positives on keeping Shanahan on the coaching staff.

That's got nothing to do with it. I'm of the opinion that you don't change horses mid-stream. There are only three games left. What good does firing him immediately do? It sounds like he's going to quit at the end of the season anyway, so why pay him an extra seven million to have him out three weeks early?

Skinsfan55 wrote:Look, the Redskins are a mess... but let's chalk it up to a lost season and move on.

Bogus cap penalties and injuries killed this team. Can we really blame Shanahan and Haslet for not bringing able to afford any secondary help? How about for injuries to Carriker or Bowen? What about blaming them for the drop off of London Fletcher? Should we blame them for Sleepy Davis falling apart?Can we blame them for lacking the money to upgrade the offensive line?

Fact is, this team has a ton of talent that fits a system. Hitting the reset button means starting over from scratch, teaching RGIII a new system and flipping our current roster. No thanks.

When you posted this I was in agreeance. I was ready for coordinator changes and another run at it. Another round of painful media leaks and a 45-10 whipping at home changed my tune.

And yes, you can blame them. Had he actually developed a relationship with Haynesworth and not had that blow up then maybe they don't have to cut him. That is a big part of penalty right there. But, in fairness, maybe Haynesworth was an unworkable situation? You can still be angry about the salary management. The Redskins have a cap saver with a rookie QB with a salary not even in the same realm of elite QBs like Flacco, Manning, Brady, and others. Just wait until Redskins cap someday has to make room for RGIII extension. That makes up a lot of room from cap penalty. And even with cap penalty, there are a number of team spending less than the Redskins on salary. Not like the Redskins are on the budget of the Marlins while everyone else is Yankees/Red Sox.

And if you think the coaches should be able to throw up their arms and say "We just didn't expect this" about the decline of a 38 year old linebacker then not sure what to tell you. If anything we should be shocked how well he is playing for his age.

Every team has injuries.

And if Shanahan was putting his reliance on a TE who he had dog housed before and had off field issues who was also coming off an injury on top of all that, again I don't how to defend that. The team obviously wasn't hoping for much out of Davis or they wouldn't have taken Reed in the third.

grampi wrote:I have a question for those who don't want Shanny fired now. What possible good can come to the team by keeping him on? It isn't like the team is going to be any worse than they are right now even if the interim coach is some Joe Blow off the street. We have hit rock bottom!

What good what it do to fire him at this point? The season's already over, and there's only 3 games left. Why fire him? There's no replacement on our team that could take over and do any better. I just don't see the point to fire him now. Now if he were fired a couple of weeks ago, I wouldn't have been upset in the least. But IMO it's too late to fire him now.

Seems like a moot point. I agreed with you a week ago, but Shanahan is trying to get out of here.

I don't think Snyder can really fire him before the end of the season though. Somebody has to coach the last three games. Who's going to want to do that?

riggofan wrote:Seems like a moot point. I agreed with you a week ago, but Shanahan is trying to get out of here.

I don't think Snyder can really fire him before the end of the season though. Somebody has to coach the last three games. Who's going to want to do that?

Do you think Shanny is trying to save face in an attempt to get another coaching job somewhere else? Seems weird that this report was leaked an hour before the game, but what would have happened had we won the game? I hate this circus sideshow our team has been for 20 years.

StorminMormon86 wrote:

grampi wrote:I have a question for those who don't want Shanny fired now. What possible good can come to the team by keeping him on? It isn't like the team is going to be any worse than they are right now even if the interim coach is some Joe Blow off the street. We have hit rock bottom!

What good what it do to fire him at this point? The season's already over, and there's only 3 games left. Why fire him? There's no replacement on our team that could take over and do any better. I just don't see the point to fire him now. Now if he were fired a couple of weeks ago, I wouldn't have been upset in the least. But IMO it's too late to fire him now.

Someone on Twitter said it best

If Shanny's camp wants to keep leaking reports painting RGIII/Snyder as evil, then Snyder should keep sitting back quietly... And hire McNabb as an offensive consultant for Kyle Shanahan. Your move, Mike

StorminMormon86 wrote:

riggofan wrote:Seems like a moot point. I agreed with you a week ago, but Shanahan is trying to get out of here.

I don't think Snyder can really fire him before the end of the season though. Somebody has to coach the last three games. Who's going to want to do that?

Do you think Shanny is trying to save face in an attempt to get another coaching job somewhere else? Seems weird that this report was leaked an hour before the game, but what would have happened had we won the game? I hate this circus sideshow our team has been for 20 years.

Shanahan's camp right now is going down swinging and will do its best to destroy RGIII and Snyder. I fully expect Shanahan's last field exit to be comparable to Marcus Hall at Ohio State.

Remember when everyone was up in arms with how Shanahan allegedly treated McNabb? Turns out he was the problem, not the Shanahans. I have a fear that he may be right about Griffin/Snyder too.

I don't care what his beef is. Shanahan has given up and is hurting the team even more. He wants to get fired. That's pathetic. Finish the year and act like a man.

StorminMormon86 wrote:Remember when everyone was up in arms with how Shanahan allegedly treated McNabb? Turns out he was the problem, not the Shanahans. I have a fear that he may be right about Griffin/Snyder too.

can you be clearer? you state that McNabb was the problem and then question that "he" 'might be right' - who is he - Mike?

SkinsJock wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:Remember when everyone was up in arms with how Shanahan allegedly treated McNabb? Turns out he was the problem, not the Shanahans. I have a fear that he may be right about Griffin/Snyder too.

can you be clearer? you state that McNabb was the problem and then question that "he" 'might be right' - who is he - Mike?

Shanahan.

Mike may or may not be 'right' about anything - who cares? we all know he's a liar and cannot be trusted

Mike is getting fired or he's leaving - It's really a matter of WHEN not IF …

my money used to be on months … now it's weeks …. maybe days

Kilmer72 wrote:I don't care what his beef is. Shanahan has given up and is hurting the team even more. He wants to get fired. That's pathetic. Finish the year and act like a man.

The players disagree with you that he's given up. Moss said this after yesterday's game:

“We didn’t play good enough. It ain’t about preparation,” Moss said. “Coach been doing one of the best jobs I’ve ever been around when it comes to coaches. He’s been taking a lot off us. This time of year, you don’t want to be pounding. He’s doing a lot. For him to say that, I appreciate that. But at the end of the day, we’ve got to go out there and play. It’s not about what coach has gone out there and done. He’s doing the right thing by his players. Any player that’s played in this league would want a coach like Coach Shanahan.

Irn-Bru wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:I don't care what his beef is. Shanahan has given up and is hurting the team even more. He wants to get fired. That's pathetic. Finish the year and act like a man.

The players disagree with you that he's given up. Moss said this after yesterday's game:

“We didn’t play good enough. It ain’t about preparation,” Moss said. “Coach been doing one of the best jobs I’ve ever been around when it comes to coaches. He’s been taking a lot off us. This time of year, you don’t want to be pounding. He’s doing a lot. For him to say that, I appreciate that. But at the end of the day, we’ve got to go out there and play. It’s not about what coach has gone out there and done. He’s doing the right thing by his players. Any player that’s played in this league would want a coach like Coach Shanahan.

Who is responsible for the leak? Who ever that is gave up.

Sounds like Shanahan or someone close to him was the leaker. The theory is that he's trying to save face when he gets fired, so he could either land a job elsewhere or protect his "Hall of Fame" status.

Irn-Bru wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:I don't care what his beef is. Shanahan has given up and is hurting the team even more. He wants to get fired. That's pathetic. Finish the year and act like a man.

The players disagree with you that he's given up. Moss said this after yesterday's game:

“We didn’t play good enough. It ain’t about preparation,” Moss said. “Coach been doing one of the best jobs I’ve ever been around when it comes to coaches. He’s been taking a lot off us. This time of year, you don’t want to be pounding. He’s doing a lot. For him to say that, I appreciate that. But at the end of the day, we’ve got to go out there and play. It’s not about what coach has gone out there and done. He’s doing the right thing by his players. Any player that’s played in this league would want a coach like Coach Shanahan.

Moss is the man in the family. That is not right either.

Irn-Bru wrote:

Kilmer72 wrote:I don't care what his beef is. Shanahan has given up and is hurting the team even more. He wants to get fired. That's pathetic. Finish the year and act like a man.

The players disagree with you that he's given up. Moss said this after yesterday's game:

“We didn’t play good enough. It ain’t about preparation,” Moss said. “Coach been doing one of the best jobs I’ve ever been around when it comes to coaches. He’s been taking a lot off us. This time of year, you don’t want to be pounding. He’s doing a lot. For him to say that, I appreciate that. But at the end of the day, we’ve got to go out there and play. It’s not about what coach has gone out there and done. He’s doing the right thing by his players. Any player that’s played in this league would want a coach like Coach Shanahan.

I remember the same thing happened with Zorn, fyi. Players coming out and saying it's us, not him, so I'm not sure what those public player endorsements are worth.

For example,

If you want to blame someone, look at the film. Look at the guys who are out there trying to play," cornerback DeAngelo Hall said. "We haven't been doing a great job. Bottom line, we haven't been doing a great job. I think the blame lies with us.