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Now that this season is a bust, it's time to start Cousins. He's going to be the starter anyway eventually, because the way RG3 is getting beat up he is most certainly going to reinjure the knee again. I say bench him now to not only avoid reinjury, but to also let the knee finish heeling...this also presents the opportunity to see how the offense will do with a change in QBs...Shanny needs to stop worrying about pissing off RG3 (by benching him) and start worrying about what's best for the team...if he can't do this, then we need a new head coach...

Griffin should have been benched at halftime against the Eagles. He should have been benched last night when it was 17-6. Almost everyone in the universe (including Sonny) have echoed the same sentiment. It's really mind boggling why Shanahan kept Griffin in both games for all 4 quarters. There is no way in hell he's going to bench Griffin, I'm convinced. Doesn't matter what he does or how bad he plays, he'll be the starter for the rest of the year.

Stop. Come on now. He shouldn't bench him just to protect his knee. Please. He needs reps to progress. Shanny needs to start incorporating the short routes into this offense. 3 step read and throw.

This guy is carrying the entire franchise on his back. No other leaders are stepping up to shoulder the burden. He has the weight of the coaching staff, the team, and the record on his back and he's a second year player still trying to learn the offense and how to read a defense. Cut him a bit of a break here. Be patient. He's smart enough, he'll figure it out.

By the way, why isn't anyone talking about Luck and how much he sucks right now? Blame it on injuries or whatever, but now (after the wayne injury) they have about as much talent as we do on offense and they suck.

chiefhog44 wrote:By the way, why isn't anyone talking about Luck and how much he sucks right now? Blame it on injuries or whatever, but now (after the wayne injury) they have about as much talent as we do on offense and they suck.

Because their record is better than ours. Less than 40 yards in the second half is hardly "carrying" the franchise. That's got to be a joke, right?

chiefhog44 wrote:Stop. Come on now. He shouldn't bench him just to protect his knee. Please. He needs reps to progress. Shanny needs to start incorporating the short routes into this offense. 3 step read and throw.

This guy is carrying the entire franchise on his back. No other leaders are stepping up to shoulder the burden. He has the weight of the coaching staff, the team, and the record on his back and he's a second year player still trying to learn the offense and how to read a defense. Cut him a bit of a break here. Be patient. He's smart enough, he'll figure it out.

By the way, why isn't anyone talking about Luck and how much he sucks right now? Blame it on injuries or whatever, but now (after the wayne injury) they have about as much talent as we do on offense and they suck.

Like I said, Shanny can start Cousins now, or wait until RG3 gets hurt...the way he's getting beat up out there because of our suck-ass o-line, it's just a matter of time before he reinjures that knee...better to avoid the injury and start Cousins now...

Bench the Bust! Give Cousins all the practice reps and the next 5 games, let's really see what he can do!

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10038 ... isco-49ers

At least one player agrees with you.

I don't think this is trash talk. That's one player who's actually concerned about the career of an opposing player. Maybe giving Griffin the rest of the year off would be beneficial. After all, seeing Cousins run the offense, and acting as a coach on the sidelines would arguably help him improve right? He needs to work on leadership and making quick decisions. Maybe analyzing things on the sidelines would help him achieve those goals.

I don't believe this coaching staff has the wisdom to make such decisions.

Tell me .... with the score 27-6. and less than 2 minutes left in the game, what did we see? We saw the offense call a time out? We saw RG3 back there scrambling, and risking more hits in a game that was over? In a season that was already over, but the fate now finalized by this loss?

RG3 again took a tremendous number of hits in this game, and it is inconceivable to me tjat he'd be back there scrambling at the end of the game with zero need for it.

22 yards of offense in the second half? (that's a number mentioned on tv, don't know how accurate) ....

Now, to bench him for performance issues would not be the wisest maneuver in my opinion, because there are too many other issues plagueing this team, to heap all the blame on the young QB. We don,t want any additional confidence hits to add to the physical ones this kid is absorbing. But with this season lost, you sit him down now and tell him he's done for the year because there is no way to justify the risk of having him out there taking these beatings. Period! He doesn't have to like it or agree with the decision.

The redskins and other QB needy teams need a better look at Cousins.

RayNAustin wrote:I don't believe this coaching staff has the wisdom to make such decisions.

Tell me .... with the score 27-6. and less than 2 minutes left in the game, what did we see? We saw the offense call a time out? We saw RG3 back there scrambling, and risking more hits in a game that was over? In a season that was already over, but the fate now finalized by this loss?

RG3 again took a tremendous number of hits in this game, and it is inconceivable to me tjat he'd be back there scrambling at the end of the game with zero need for it.

22 yards of offense in the second half? (that's a number mentioned on tv, don't know how accurate) ....

Now, to bench him for performance issues would not be the wisest maneuver in my opinion, because there are too many other issues plagueing this team, to heap all the blame on the young QB. We don,t want any additional confidence hits to add to the physical ones this kid is absorbing. But with this season lost, you sit him down now and tell him he's done for the year because there is no way to justify the risk of having him out there taking these beatings. Period! He doesn't have to like it or agree with the decision.

The redskins and other QB needy teams need a better look at Cousins.

Uphill, bro.

I called for Cousins in a lost game while Griff was taking shots, Shanny agreed, and I got sarcasm. #shrug

I'd love to see us do whatever it takes to limit the hits Griff takes in the remaining games. He is being punished. I saw two big hits yesterday where huge guys landed on him and just crushed him - one out of bounds. I was a little surprised ribs weren't broken.

He never seems to simply get hit. He's always lifted and pummeled.



... or getting kicked in the balls.

Grampi, I understand where you're coming from, but I don't agree. We drafted this guy to be our franchise QB. He needs to play out the season and use these games to get better.

I will say though that watching him getting beat up last night, I wished Shanahan would have pulled him out. It was pretty clear we weren't coming back from 24-6. No reason to keep him in for the fourth quarter just to get pummelled.

When we look back, I don't think it will have been a mistake to let RGIII finish out the season. I think people will say the mistake was to have rushed him back to start the season. Plenty of blame on that decision to go around.

You have to bench him if he continues to regress. What's the point in letting him keep taking those shots if he's not getting any better?

riggofan wrote:Grampi, I understand where you're coming from, but I don't agree. We drafted this guy to be our franchise QB. He needs to play out the season and use these games to get better.

I will say though that watching him getting beat up last night, I wished Shanahan would have pulled him out. It was pretty clear we weren't coming back from 24-6. No reason to keep him in for the fourth quarter just to get pummelled.

When we look back, I don't think it will have been a mistake to let RGIII finish out the season. I think people will say the mistake was to have rushed him back to start the season. Plenty of blame on that decision to go around.

That's just it. I don't see him getting any better playing behind this joke of an offensive line...he's just going to continue taking beatings, and to me, it's just not worth the risk of re-injury to his knee, which would probably end his career...bench him, not for poor play, but to allow his knee to heel fully, and to see what happens with Cousins at the helm...with the season over, there's absolutely no reason not to do this...

Griffin was forced to fill a role of leader, of star quarterback and a list of other things that he never earned at all. He seems a bit headstrong. He likes the spotlight, but he tries way too hard when he's in unfamiliar area- losing. Now his body is at stake. His body is the vessel for accomplishing what he loves in life- Football. His coaches don't seem to notice or care what happens to him. He'd better do it himself. The notion of starting Cousins sounds good. But, if I were Cousins I wouldn't want that dangerous job. The most dangerous job in the NFL is behind center on the Washington Redskins! He'd get mauled and murdered, too. He has an OC that couldn't find his butt if it had a bell on it. The O-Line is terrible. Maybe he's less banged-up than Griffin, but I'd be concerned to get the starting job at QB on that team!

grampi wrote:

riggofan wrote:Grampi, I understand where you're coming from, but I don't agree. We drafted this guy to be our franchise QB. He needs to play out the season and use these games to get better.

I will say though that watching him getting beat up last night, I wished Shanahan would have pulled him out. It was pretty clear we weren't coming back from 24-6. No reason to keep him in for the fourth quarter just to get pummelled.

When we look back, I don't think it will have been a mistake to let RGIII finish out the season. I think people will say the mistake was to have rushed him back to start the season. Plenty of blame on that decision to go around.

That's just it. I don't see him getting any better playing behind this joke of an offensive line...he's just going to continue taking beatings, and to me, it's just not worth the risk of re-injury to his knee, which would probably end his career...bench him, not for poor play, but to allow his knee to heel fully, and to see what happens with Cousins at the helm...with the season over, there's absolutely no reason not to do this...

Its a fair point about the offensive line. I'm not really sure though why people want to see a less mobile QB playing behind that line though. lol.

I guess if Shanahan thinks Cousins could really come in and do a better job it would be worth a shot. But if its more likely that Cousins comes in, looks average behind that line and just gets hurt, what is the benefit of that?

I'll say one thing. It definitely seemed like Shanahan was not happy with RGIII a few times last night. Taking that unnecessary timeout at the end of the first half for example.

Another huge reason that I feel it should have happened in the previous two weeks was that it would have served as a huge wake up call to Griffin.

riggofan wrote:

grampi wrote:

riggofan wrote:Grampi, I understand where you're coming from, but I don't agree. We drafted this guy to be our franchise QB. He needs to play out the season and use these games to get better.
I will say though that watching him getting beat up last night, I wished Shanahan would have pulled him out. It was pretty clear we weren't coming back from 24-6. No reason to keep him in for the fourth quarter just to get pummelled.
When we look back, I don't think it will have been a mistake to let RGIII finish out the season. I think people will say the mistake was to have rushed him back to start the season. Plenty of blame on that decision to go around.

That's just it. I don't see him getting any better playing behind this joke of an offensive line...he's just going to continue taking beatings, and to me, it's just not worth the risk of re-injury to his knee, which would probably end his career...bench him, not for poor play, but to allow his knee to heel fully, and to see what happens with Cousins at the helm...with the season over, there's absolutely no reason not to do this...

… I'm not really sure though why people want to see a less mobile QB playing behind that line though. I guess if Shanahan thinks Cousins could really come in and do a better job it would be worth a shot. But if its more likely that Cousins comes in, looks average behind that line and just gets hurt, what is the benefit of that?
… It definitely seemed like Shanahan was not happy with RGIII a few times last night. Taking that unnecessary timeout at the end of the first half for example.

I agree with riggofan - We will soon see … Mike will play the QB that he feels gives him the best shot at beating the Giants

Robert is going through a difficult season but I disagree that it's because his knee is not "fully healed" - there's no such thing as "fully healed" - the knee was determined to be 'ready to play on' - THAT is all that matters - IMO, changing from the read option, having an O line that was not exactly suited to pass blocking, NOT having an off season, having a defense that caused the team to be playing catch up and get away from running the ball …. PLUS some other factors … ALL contributed to this mess

IMO - Mike will continue to practice and play to win the next game and he will use the players that best help get that done

I just want us to win our division games to play spoiler to the Cowturds and vaGiants.

StorminMormon86 wrote:Another huge reason that I feel it should have happened in the previous two weeks was that it would have served as a huge wake up call to Griffin.

I don't know, man. I don't personally think the trouble with RGIII is that he's oblivious to what's going on around him or that he's not working hard enough. He's getting physically punished on the field and completely abused by the media off the field right now. Does anyone really believe he needs a "wake up call"?

The only thing benching RGIII is likely to do is completely destroy whatever relationship he has left with his coach and potentially sour him on this franchise. How would you feel if you were the QB who came in here and literally sacrificed your body to help this team win last year - only to be thrown under the bus and scapegoated the next year?

Stick with RGIII and fix the problems around him.

Deadskins wrote:I just want us to win our division games to play spoiler to the Cowturds and vaGiants.

YES!

riggofan wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:Another huge reason that I feel it should have happened in the previous two weeks was that it would have served as a huge wake up call to Griffin.

I don't personally think the trouble with RGIII is that he's oblivious to what's going on around him or that he's not working hard enough.
He's getting physically punished on the field and completely abused by the media off the field right now. Does anyone really believe he needs a "wake up call"?

The only thing benching RGIII is likely to do is completely destroy whatever relationship he has left with his coach and potentially sour him on this franchise.
How would you feel if you were the QB who came in here and literally sacrificed your body to help this team win last year - only to be thrown under the bus and scapegoated the next year?

Stick with RGIII and fix the problems around him.

THANKS -

riggofan wrote:The only thing benching RGIII is likely to do is completely destroy whatever relationship he has left with his coach and potentially sour him on this franchise.

Not if Shanny explained to him that he's not benching him because of his play....

riggofan wrote:How would you feel if you were the QB who came in here and literally sacrificed your body to help this team win last year - only to be thrown under the bus and scapegoated the next year?

How would you feel as the head coach who's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't? If Griffin gets injured in one of the last 5 games, I'll be surprised if there aren't hits taken out on Shanahan. If he pulls him, there'd be a similar reaction. And I don't see how sitting him out would destroy the relationship they have together. If Griffin is a true leader, Shanahan could go to him and say he's resting him for the rest of the year for health reasons, and there wouldn't be a problem at all. I'm all for fixing the problems around Griffin, but he also is one of them this year.

And Griffin wasn't the only one sacrificing his body for the team last year.

grampi wrote:

riggofan wrote:The only thing benching RGIII is likely to do is completely destroy whatever relationship he has left with his coach and potentially sour him on this franchise.

Not if Shanny explained to him that he's not benching him because of his play....

If he's not benching him for his play, then why?

RG3 hasn't regressed. If anything, his troubles highlights the so-called "coaching staff's" ability to coach. Sorry, but you can't call 75 quick hit lateral throws to wide receivers and expect a defense not to figure it out and make you pay. Is there any team in the league that has less of a vertical passing game than the Redskins? What team do you know boasts one of the best running games in the league with one of the most consistent running backs in the league, while seemingly OUTRIGHT REFUSING TO ESTABLISH A VERTICAL PASSING GAME????

Redskins fans are so fixated on RG3's woes that many don't stop to realize that the catalyst behind this season's disaster is the lack of a CAPABLE OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR.

StorminMormon86 wrote:

riggofan wrote:How would you feel if you were the QB who came in here and literally sacrificed your body to help this team win last year - only to be thrown under the bus and scapegoated the next year?

How would you feel as the head coach who's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't? If Griffin gets injured in one of the last 5 games, I'll be surprised if there aren't hits taken out on Shanahan. If he pulls him, there'd be a similar reaction.

That's a ridiculous comparison. For one thing, nobody around here is going to be that crazy if Shanahan does decide to bench RGIII. The only thing fans around here know that they like is CHANGE. They'll cheer if he benches RGIII, and they'll cheer again if he has to bench Cousins later to bring back RGIII. And if you don't believe that, you weren't around here for Rex-Becks-Rex.

For another, the coach is paid millions of dollars to make decisions. That's what his job is. I don't really feel any compassion that the guy who is paid to make tough decisions has to weigh the benefits against the potential hazards and make some choices.

StorminMormon86 wrote:And Griffin wasn't the only one sacrificing his body for the team last year.

Give me a break. Let's not act like we're all idiots here. I appreciate that every player on the team worked hard and put his body at risk every game. But we all know what Robert did for this team last year. Think about that scramble v. the Ravens last year, why he did it and what it cost him.

Anyway, I wasn't saying that you have to feel bad for RGIII. I'm just asking you to think about how you would respond to being benched at this point and what it would realistically mean for his future with the Redskins.