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If we can get a team that will give up a 2015 1st round draft pick for Rg3....start cousins for next season....and if we suck...we suck for Jameis Winston....It will be a win-win situation....raiders or buccaneers could make the trade

Dude, I know the loss sucked, but

Yes, this makes sense. Lets get rid of the only potential franchise QB we could get our hands on; since the early 90s

The idea has possibilities. Robert's throwing looks incredibly average this year (in my opinion). Never seen so many balls batted at the line in my life. Also, how in the world did he miss the wide open receiver in that first possession? You can't miss opps like that (game changers). This team still has so many holes personnel wise. Even if RG is as good as advertised, and I don't think he is, it would not matter. I don't know, they've pretty much sucked for the past 20 years, probably will suck for another 20 more.

Ok, I will play along with the multiple personalities tonight. I am not an expert but, did Cam come from a spread? If he didn't this only proves my point more. Cam looked like crap last year. Robert looked great. Cam in his first year looked awesome; so did Robert. If you have no vision then I understand, but please no more multi personalities. This really is getting old.

ACW wrote:#-o Dude, I know the loss sucked, but

See where he's from, and put two and two together.

timkp wrote:The idea has possibilities. Robert's throwing looks incredibly average this year (in my opinion). Never seen so many balls batted at the line in my life. Also, how in the world did he miss the wide open receiver in that first possession? You can't miss opps like that (game changers). This team still has so many holes personnel wise. Even if RG is as good as advertised, and I don't think he is, it would not matter. I don't know, they've pretty much sucked for the past 20 years, probably will suck for another 20 more.

Making deals like that, they would.

Deadskins wrote:

ACW wrote:#-o Dude, I know the loss sucked, but

See where he's from, and put two and two together.

Yea because we don't have skins fans in dallas

funsho2 wrote:If we can get a team that will give up a 2015 1st round draft pick for Rg3....start cousins for next season....and if we suck...we suck for Jameis Winston....It will be a win-win situation....raiders or buccaneers could make the trade

That is really a stupid suggestion …

the most important acquisition any franchise can make is to get a 'franchise QB' - now that we have one, why would we trade him?

Browns fan still has hopes Bob will play in the hopeless city on Lake Erie... LOL

funsho2 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

ACW wrote:#-o Dude, I know the loss sucked, but

See where he's from, and put two and two together.

Yea because we don't have skins fans in dallas

What would a Browns fan know of Redskins fans in Dallas?

Thanks for the laughs. I really needed that.

Countertrey wrote:Browns fan still has hopes Bob will play in the hopeless city on Lake Erie... LOL

Im curious ..why do you think I am a browns fan?

SkinsJock wrote:

funsho2 wrote:If we can get a team that will give up a 2015 1st round draft pick for Rg3....start cousins for next season....and if we suck...we suck for Jameis Winston....It will be a win-win situation....raiders or buccaneers could make the trade

That is really a stupid suggestion …

the most important acquisition any franchise can make is to get a 'franchise QB' - now that we have one, why would we trade him?

I do think this thread is ridiculous, and I know Griffin was drafted to be our franchise QB, but he has shown nothing this season that makes me believe he'll be our franchise QB for years to come. And it has nothing to do with the shaky start because of the surgery. He still has yet to show any ability to read defenses, and is still sailing passes well over receivers heads.

StorminMormon86 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote: … the most important acquisition any franchise can make is to get a 'franchise QB' - now that we have one, why would we trade him?

I do think this thread is ridiculous, and I know Griffin was drafted to be our franchise QB, but he has shown nothing this season that makes me believe he'll be our franchise QB for years to come.
He still has yet to show any ability to read defenses, and is still sailing passes well over receivers heads.

Robert has not played well for the most part, but to state "he has shown nothing this season that makes me believe he'll be our franchise QB …" is just not correct at all

I understand that this is your opinion but in years to come you will see that you a very mistaken

We have not seen the Redskins play anywhere near as well as they are capable of playing this season
they have played well at times but they have not played well for a whole game

this is true for the whole team and applies to both coaches and players

funsho2 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

ACW wrote:#-o Dude, I know the loss sucked, but

See where he's from, and put two and two together.

Yea because we don't have skins fans in dallas

And I'm sure you know some of them.

funsho2 wrote:If we can get a team that will give up a 2015 1st round draft pick for Rg3....start cousins for next season....and if we suck...we suck for Jameis Winston....It will be a win-win situation....raiders or buccaneers could make the trade

Couple things:
1. RGIII's stock is as low as it will get. So, your theory is flawed from inception. Yes, he played HORRENDOUSLY yesterday. He has played horrendously this year, but he's still an above average QB and has earned at least this season and half of next (so we can see what he'll do with an actual off-season) before the FO makes any decisions.
2. Most teams would give up more than a 1st rounder for RGIII. No question, so you are basically asking for us to get ripped off.
3. This team, with Cousins, is not a bottom 3 team -- so a top 3 pick is out of the question (and Winston will most likely be the #1 pick....). Also, do you know when Winston will come out? The dude is a freshman. So what is your plan?
4. Are you just throwing those teams out there (re raiders, bucs) --- saying "hey these are the idiot teams....."; we'll, if we made an RGIII for a first rounder deal --- we'd be the idiots. His value is still much much higher.

Idiot GMs (like idiot investors) are those who trade players (stocks) when they hit their first speed bump, trying to salvage some value. I hope our FO isn't that dumb.

FunSho --- you started the time for KC thread and now this one. You are on quite the anti-RGIII crusade.......

SkinsJock wrote:Robert has not played well for the most part, but to state "he has shown nothing this season that makes me believe he'll be our franchise QB …" is just not correct at all

You agree that he's played poorly this year, but then say that I was incorrect in saying he has shown nothing THIS SEASON that makes me think he's a franchise QB?

I'm afraid I have to agree. Here is what RGIII can not do:

1. He does not have the field vision to throw his receivers open, or to know where his 2nd read is is the first read is covered. Good QBs have this. The road is littered with the bodies of QBs that some coach thought could learn this. It isn't learnable. You either have it or you don't.

2. He can't hit a crossing receiver. Throws are consistently high, and more often behind the receiver. If Pierre Garcon had not made several unbelievable catches in the Bears and Raiders games, we would be 1-9.

3. He thinks he knows more than the coaches. When asked to do something he feels is wrong, I believe he is subconsciously failing to prove his point.

4. He cannot make the decision to throw to the spot where the receiver will be when he wins on his route. He needs the receiver to win first, and be visibly open before he throws.

funsho2 wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

ACW wrote:#-o Dude, I know the loss sucked, but

See where he's from, and put two and two together.

Yea because we don't have skins fans in dallas

Just curious.. are you FROM TX or moved there?

Ah! I see the Monday meltdown has begun in earnest.

Trade RGIII. lol. Actually pretty tame to be honest. I think expectations were at an all time low after the Vikings game.

Cut him and Kyle loose in a package deal, maybe we can get McGrab for them.

7-44-66-81-84 wrote:I'm afraid I have to agree. Here is what RGIII can not do:

1. He does not have the field vision to throw his receivers open, or to know where his 2nd read is is the first read is covered. Good QBs have this. The road is littered with the bodies of QBs that some coach thought could learn this. It isn't learnable. You either have it or you don't.

2. He can't hit a crossing receiver. Throws are consistently high, and more often behind the receiver. If Pierre Garcon had not made several unbelievable catches in the Bears and Raiders games, we would be 1-9.

3. He thinks he knows more than the coaches. When asked to do something he feels is wrong, I believe he is subconsciously failing to prove his point.

4. He cannot make the decision to throw to the spot where the receiver will be when he wins on his route. He needs the receiver to win first, and be visibly open before he throws.

Last year is last year but, he was very accurate. If you believe he is failing to prove a point then I'm not sure how to explain it except, even all of Roberts harshest critics would beg the differ and say he is a competitor. What kind of competitor would try to sink his own ship? This last game is the worst I seen him play, the Denver game was pretty bad as well. Jump ship if you think it's sinking.

Kilmer72 wrote:Jump ship if you think it's sinking.

Well said!