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Not this week? Seriously, Denver's D isn't THAT good

It helps if you have an OC who doesn't leave his brain on the team bus...

So did Kyle call good plays last week and just forget yesterday?

ACW wrote:Not this week? Seriously, Denver's D isn't THAT good

Denver's D is actually pretty bad....the Skins just went out of their way to make them look good....

While Kyle seems to have an understanding of the importance of the run game, it appears that he detests it... I have no idea why he was thinking that the principle of using ball control to mitigate the effectiveness of a very good opposing quarterback didn't apply to him.

Despite the very good work of Haslett and his crew, it seems that Kyle did everything he could to undermine their results. With only two exceptions, Manning was unable to work without a short field. You really can't ask for more than that from a defense.

The bottom line, ACW, is that Kyle used ball control last week... but not this week... so, you tell me what happened to his brain.

ACW wrote:So did Kyle call good plays last week and just forget yesterday?

lol.

Who is Alfred Morris?

Honestly, I find the reactions today pretty hilarious if not unsurprising. We were a 13 point underdog yesterday. I can't think of a single person who thought we were going to win that game.

I understand it was frustrating because of the first half. But sorry, I'm just not going to waste any energy getting venting about that one.

I'd like to see the team take what they did pretty well in the first half and do it for the whole game against San Diego next weekend.

We haven't played competent football for four quarters (except the game against Chicago) all year. The offense did nothing well in the first half or the second. I don't get how we could look like the 2012 team last week and then look like the 2011 team yesterday.

2 big issues


The biggest issue is the players. RGIII isn't a good traditional QB and he's being forced by defenses into being one. Sorry if that makes ur butt hurt, but it's true. When RGIII makes a good pass, his receivers fail him. Moss in the endzone, Aldrick on third down, Garcon has a lot of drops... Even Reed dropped 2-3 passes yesterday.

The lesser evil is Kyle. He called a piss poor game yesterday. But it's not all on him. He has to have a QB that can throw the ball. He doesn't have that. Defenses are taking the run out and forcing Griffin to pass and the entire passing corps is failing. I understand that Alfred is balling but we can't run it every down either.

riggofan wrote:Honestly, I find the reactions today pretty hilarious if not unsurprising. We were a 13 point underdog yesterday. I can't think of a single person who thought we were going to win that game.

I understand it was frustrating because of the first half. But sorry, I'm just not going to waste any energy getting venting about that one.

I'd like to see the team take what they did pretty well in the first half and do it for the whole game against San Diego next weekend.

I agree with this.

Additionally:
- RGIII was wildly inconsistent, a TO machine, and had a 7.5 QBR. An "elite" QB doesn't have games like this.
- Our OL (other than TW) didn't provide nearly enough protection
- Moss' endzone drop played a large role in momentum
- KS' inability to stick with what worked (i.e., running with Morris)
- 4th quarter field position -- DEN's offenses' longest drive in the 4th was 35 yards, yet they scored 31 points!!!
- We threw 4 INTERCEPTIONS in the 4th quarter. We can't end games like that. I don't care who is QBing.

let's understand one thing - nobody becomes an elite QB in a season or 2 - that is only possible after a period of time

and

Robert Griffin III has the talent and ability to be an elite QB - he is not there yet but he will become one - there are innate qualities that an elite QB has and he has all of that and more

just because many here are disappointed or just anti RG3 does not detract from his mental and physical characteristics

you have it or you don't and Luck and RG3 will become elite QBs over time - they are just that good


don't be too quick to put down RG3 - there are many other factors contributing to our offensive woes - it's not all because RG3 does not have "IT"

Chris Luva Luva wrote:2 big issues


The biggest issue is the players. RGIII isn't a good traditional QB and he's being forced by defenses into being one. Sorry if that makes ur butt hurt, but it's true. When RGIII makes a good pass, his receivers fail him. Moss in the endzone, Aldrick on third down, Garcon has a lot of drops... Even Reed dropped 2-3 passes yesterday.

The lesser evil is Kyle. He called a piss poor game yesterday. But it's not all on him. He has to have a QB that can throw the ball. He doesn't have that. Defenses are taking the run out and forcing Griffin to pass and the entire passing corps is failing. I understand that Alfred is balling but we can't run it every down either.

Your right and those drops have to be caught. It is also coming back from injuries in the start of the season and sophomore blues. The line also needs to keep him from banging his head on the ground. The delivery sacks took a toll. You can't always run Morris, I agree, but that is where Helu comes in and those drops that should be caught.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:2 big issues


The biggest issue is the players. RGIII isn't a good traditional QB and he's being forced by defenses into being one. Sorry if that makes ur butt hurt, but it's true. When RGIII makes a good pass, his receivers fail him. Moss in the endzone, Aldrick on third down, Garcon has a lot of drops... Even Reed dropped 2-3 passes yesterday.

The lesser evil is Kyle. He called a piss poor game yesterday. But it's not all on him. He has to have a QB that can throw the ball. He doesn't have that. Defenses are taking the run out and forcing Griffin to pass and the entire passing corps is failing. I understand that Alfred is balling but we can't run it every down either.

I think your 2 issues go hand in hand.

Like Moss said today, the players have to execute regardless of the play that's called. But Kyle should be calling the right plays.

Defenses are forcing RGIII to become a pocket passer because of Kyle's play calling. If there's one team in the NFL that can't take away the run it would have to be the Denver Broncos, yet the Redskins went away from it after going 95 yards with a run based drive to tie the game, before half time.

The run option was a non-factor, and the O-line allowed RGIII to be hit 13 times on 30 drop-backs (not including the sacks), yet they were blowing the Denver D off the ball on running plays... Why go pass heavy with a line like that? And if you do... you have to use the run-option to keep the D honest. Kyle did everything wrong

Here is the part that gets me about Kyle. Not that this was an issue yesterday much but, why on earth would you throw a 2 yard pass on third and a mile when you aren't backed up in your own end zone?

Why isn't dad Mike stepping in and making Kyle commit to the run when they can't stop us? Joe did this when he had Saunders.

One of my biggest issues yesterday was when the WRs couldn't separate, RG3 had terrible recognition that the play was dead and didn't try to throw it away. Maybe I was spoiled with having Russell Wilson at NC State but that play alone was one of his best in his arsenal of not turning the ball over. He ran the ball when the play was there. He went with big plays, short plays, multiple reads, etc but when there isn't a play to be made, he got rid of the ball and lived to play another down.

I would love to see RG3 try this from time to time to reduce the number of turnovers and limit the hits he takes.

frankcal20 wrote:One of my biggest issues yesterday was when the WRs couldn't separate, RG3 had terrible recognition that the play was dead and didn't try to throw it away. Maybe I was spoiled with having Russell Wilson at NC State but that play alone was one of his best in his arsenal of not turning the ball over. He ran the ball when the play was there. He went with big plays, short plays, multiple reads, etc but when there isn't a play to be made, he got rid of the ball and lived to play another down.

I would love to see RG3 try this from time to time to reduce the number of turnovers and limit the hits he takes.

I think Robert is doing a much better job this year avoiding the unnecessary hits he took last year. He can't help the delivery sacks. He isn't trying to turn a 7 yard run into a take it to the house run this year. imo His slide needs work though.

The thing for me is... Had we nailed some of those bombs Kyle is a hero.. we stack our lead and look like a great team.
The run was being stuffed after 1/2 w Denver daring us to pass... We couldn't complete and that's on rgiii and the wr, the line of course hurting more then helping.

A BIG turning point was the 14 points we gave back on fourth down conversions. I won't beat the D up about it but THAT was the momentum swing and really led to our unravilling. Had we held them to three we would've thrown less and maybe the outcome chabges. Hopefully we live and learn... We were 3-6 last year before we caught fire so all hope is not lost... Just look at the east and know it ain ova yet son!

Chris Luva Luva wrote:2 big issues


The biggest issue is the players. RGIII isn't a good traditional QB and he's being forced by defenses into being one. Sorry if that makes ur butt hurt, but it's true. When RGIII makes a good pass, his receivers fail him. Moss in the endzone, Aldrick on third down, Garcon has a lot of drops... Even Reed dropped 2-3 passes yesterday.

The lesser evil is Kyle. He called a piss poor game yesterday. But it's not all on him. He has to have a QB that can throw the ball. He doesn't have that. Defenses are taking the run out and forcing Griffin to pass and the entire passing corps is failing. I understand that Alfred is balling but we can't run it every down either.

Right on.

But I don't think it's as much as the defenses forcing him into being a traditional QB as it is that the defenses have adjusted and figured him out, coupled with bad playcalling.