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Alfred Morris
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:55 am
by Chris Luva Luva
Lemme preface this by saying that I realize a few things...
1. RGIII is not 100%, Be it mental, physical or confidence.
2. The is average at best. Last year, RGIII's legs masked that.
3. Our WR's are inconsistent, an above average unit. The read option created space for them last year.
All that being said. Alfred seems different this year. His performance seems spotty... And usually I can tell if it's because there are failures elsewhere in the chain but he just doesn't seem to be confident. Is it a lack of confidence in himself? Is he simply down because of our record? Is he trying to bear too much of the responsibility. He's constantly stated that he wants all the pressure on his shoulders...
Last year, we were a 1 back team. I assume that was mostly due to injuries. However, maybe we're simply a 2 back team now. Maybe Alfred getting all the touches is a thing of the past and that's not a bad thing. However, he's no long a consistent threat and maybe that's due to a lack of space that he enjoyed last year. Possibly, Helu's speed let's him get to the holes before the close up where in 2012, that hole would have been opened longer due to the read option.
I'm not sure, what do you guys think?
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:59 am
by StorminMormon86
I love the guy. He's produced consistent numbers for us in every game. Sure he didn't get any TD's yesterday, but I love the balanced approach of Morris being your work horse and Helu coming in and backing him up.
Re: Alfred Morris
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:13 am
by crazyhorse1
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Lemme preface this by saying that I realize a few things...
1. RGIII is not 100%, Be it mental, physical or confidence.
2. The is average at best. Last year, RGIII's legs masked that.
3. Our WR's are inconsistent, an above average unit. The read option created space for them last year.
All that being said. Alfred seems different this year. His performance seems spotty... And usually I can tell if it's because there are failures elsewhere in the chain but he just doesn't seem to be confident. Is it a lack of confidence in himself? Is he simply down because of our record? Is he trying to bear too much of the responsibility. He's constantly stated that he wants all the pressure on his shoulders...
He's averaging over five yards a carry, which is better than last year-- behind a sub-par line. His yardage is not as good as last year because we've had to pass more playing catch up. He had the highest average gain rushing in the NFL the last I checked, without the running threat of Robert. The only negative is a couple of fumbles. Your view is a bit off the mark. Even with fewer touches, he's on pace for over twelve hundred yards or so.
Last year, we were a 1 back team. I assume that was mostly due to injuries. However, maybe we're simply a 2 back team now. Maybe Alfred getting all the touches is a thing of the past and that's not a bad thing. However, he's no long a consistent threat and maybe that's due to a lack of space that he enjoyed last year. Possibly, Helu's speed let's him get to the holes before the close up where in 2012, that hole would have been opened longer due to the read option.
I'm not sure, what do you guys think?
Re: Alfred Morris
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:17 am
by Deadskins
crazyhorse1 wrote:Chris Luva Luva wrote:Lemme preface this by saying that I realize a few things...
1. RGIII is not 100%, Be it mental, physical or confidence.
2. The is average at best. Last year, RGIII's legs masked that.
3. Our WR's are inconsistent, an above average unit. The read option created space for them last year.
All that being said. Alfred seems different this year. His performance seems spotty... And usually I can tell if it's because there are failures elsewhere in the chain but he just doesn't seem to be confident. Is it a lack of confidence in himself? Is he simply down because of our record? Is he trying to bear too much of the responsibility. He's constantly stated that he wants all the pressure on his shoulders...
Last year, we were a 1 back team. I assume that was mostly due to injuries. However, maybe we're simply a 2 back team now. Maybe Alfred getting all the touches is a thing of the past and that's not a bad thing. However, he's no long a consistent threat and maybe that's due to a lack of space that he enjoyed last year. Possibly, Helu's speed let's him get to the holes before the close up where in 2012, that hole would have been opened longer due to the read option.
I'm not sure, what do you guys think?
He's averaging over five yards a carry, which is better than last year-- behind a sub-par line. His yardage is not as good as last year because we've had to pass more playing catch up. He had the highest average gain rushing in the NFL the last I checked, without the running threat of Robert. The only negative is a couple of fumbles. Your view is a bit off the mark. Even with fewer touches, he's on pace for over twelve hundred yards or so.
+1
Morris is actually doing better than last year with less help from RGIII.
Re: Alfred Morris
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:17 am
by Countertrey
Chris Luva Luva wrote:
I'm not sure, what do you guys think?
Ummm... no.
Alf is Alf... and I'd give him the ball in every situation where a run might be indicated. Dude runs 18 yards in beast mode on one play literally dragging 3 defenders 8 yards, and you are worried about his confidence?
Bears have a very good front 7... that plays in, too.
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:21 am
by 44diesel
I think that Morris is a great physical back to pound a defense, but he really shines when he's not the only guy a defense has to target.
If he's all a defense has to worry about stopping, we'll see what we did in the beginning of this year. Small gains and tough yardage. Now add a speedy threat to run the ball (RGIII or Helu) and a defense will get gassed and less quick to react to the ball. This is when Morris can really shine.
I love the way Morris runs the football. Alfred is the kind of guy who takes usually more than one guy to take down and seems to run stronger as the game goes on. Spelling him with Helu, a more mobile RGIII and running more of this up tempo (hurry up) offense can only mean good things for a guy like Alf and ultimately for the offense overall.
Re: Alfred Morris
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:42 am
by Chris Luva Luva
crazyhorse1 wrote:
He's averaging over five yards a carry, which is better than last year-- behind a sub-par line. His yardage is not as good as last year because we've had to pass more playing catch up. He had the highest average gain rushing in the NFL the last I checked, without the running threat of Robert. The only negative is a couple of fumbles. Your view is a bit off the mark. Even with fewer touches, he's on pace for over twelve hundred yards or so.
This is what I came here for. If I'm just imagining things, that's fine. I just wanted some input from the hive mind. Again, I'm not knocking him nor have I been entrenched in the game like I have been in years past.
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:45 am
by riggofan
I haven't really looked that closely at Morris' numbers so far this year, though I suspect the comments about our playing from behind alot this year are on point.
I was just going to add that I am LOVING the Morris/Helu combination that seems to be shaping up. I actually heard Cooley on the radio this morning say they need to start finding ways to get them BOTH on the field at the same time.
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:12 am
by markshark84
Morris is actually playing BETTER than last year. As far as his sideline demeanor, I'm not sure what it is. If I had to guess, I would say it is more to do with the being off the field on passing downs --- because we are always losing. He is the only offensive player playing at his 2012 level. After all, he averaged 21 carries per game; this year it's 15. That is frustrating --- considering he is the most consistent player on the team. Being restricted by things you can't control is VERY frustrating.
And I received a NUMBER of phone calls last night about how Morris got ROBBED on goal-line plays --- especially on the 1st and Goal on the 2 with less than a minute left. Why did they put Helu in? That IS what Morris does well. There is no reason Helu should have been playing in that scenario. Had something gone wrong --- that is what the media would have been complaining about today and how KS/MS don't know how to run personell.
Morris needs to get 20-25 touches per game --- MINIMUM. As with last year, he gets better as the game goes on. His best production is between carries 12-25 --- and he hasn't been able to get there this season (which could be another reason he appears frustrated).
IMHO, he's a top 10 RB in the league. He needs to be treated that way.
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:36 am
by Irn-Bru
markshark84 wrote:And I received a NUMBER of phone calls last night about how Morris got ROBBED on goal-line plays --- especially on the 1st and Goal on the 2 with less than a minute left. Why did they put Helu in? That IS what Morris does well. There is no reason Helu should have been playing in that scenario. Had something gone wrong --- that is what the media would have been complaining about today and how KS/MS don't know how to run personell.
Maybe, but there is logic to it: they wanted the Bears to think we were going to pass. It looked to me like it worked.
Morris needs to get 20-25 touches per game --- MINIMUM. As with last year, he gets better as the game goes on. His best production is between carries 12-25 --- and he hasn't been able to get there this season (which could be another reason he appears frustrated).
I couldn't disagree with this more. Feeding him the ball 20-25 times a game is simply a recipe to wear him out before his time: that's an average of about 360 carries per year. Spread the ball out and we'll not only keep defenses guessing, we'll see Morris in B&G for an extra 3-4 productive seasons.
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:49 am
by gushogs
I think people are complaining because of fantasy points, cause Morris didn't get the TDs yesterday.... money/gambling blurring people perspectives????
HaiL,
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:10 pm
by Deadskins
gushogs wrote:I think people are complaining because of fantasy points, cause Morris didn't get the TDs yesterday.... money/gambling blurring people perspectives????
HaiL,
Not me, I picked up Helu last week.
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:53 pm
by 1niksder
Irn-Bru wrote:markshark84 wrote:And I received a NUMBER of phone calls last night about how Morris got ROBBED on goal-line plays --- especially on the 1st and Goal on the 2 with less than a minute left. Why did they put Helu in? That IS what Morris does well. There is no reason Helu should have been playing in that scenario. Had something gone wrong --- that is what the media would have been complaining about today and how KS/MS don't know how to run personell.
Maybe, but there is logic to it: they wanted the Bears to think we were going to pass. It looked to me like it worked.
Morris needs to get 20-25 touches per game --- MINIMUM. As with last year, he gets better as the game goes on. His best production is between carries 12-25 --- and he hasn't been able to get there this season (which could be another reason he appears frustrated).
I couldn't disagree with this more. Feeding him the ball 20-25 times a game is simply a recipe to wear him out before his time: that's an average of about 360 carries per year. Spread the ball out and we'll not only keep defenses guessing, we'll see Morris in B&G for an extra 3-4 productive seasons.
This is what happens when fans get what they want....
Everybody wanted the Skins to find a change of pace back, someone to spell Alfred...
Helu is that back, he's got good hands coming out of the backfield, which makes him perfect in the redzone....
FTR... MO is ranked 8th in the NFL in yards and 4th in the NFC & the last person on the roster that would even take part in discussing this topic.
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:32 pm
by DarthMonk
Deadskins wrote:gushogs wrote:I think people are complaining because of fantasy points, cause Morris didn't get the TDs yesterday.... money/gambling blurring people perspectives????
HaiL,
Not me, I picked up Helu last week.
Not Royster??!!
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:38 pm
by DarthMonk
Irn-Bru wrote:Morris needs to get 20-25 touches per game --- MINIMUM. As with last year, he gets better as the game goes on. His best production is between carries 12-25 --- and he hasn't been able to get there this season (which could be another reason he appears frustrated).
I couldn't disagree with this more. Feeding him the ball 20-25 times a game is simply a recipe to wear him out before his time: that's an average of about 360 carries per year. Spread the ball out and we'll not only keep defenses guessing, we'll see Morris in B&G for an extra 3-4 productive seasons.
+1
In the entire history of the NFL there have only been 5 seasons where a man averaged 25 carries per game. Jim Brown never did it and no one has ever done it twice.
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:54 pm
by DaSkinz Baby
Morris is a good back, the issue is with RG not being 100% and running that is making our PATHETIC offensive line even more PATHETIC, he had 95 yards yesterday due to RG starting to be a run threat again. If we had a REAL offensive line instead of just one REAL Left Tackle Morris might go over 2000 yards. Sorry but our interior and right tackle simply are PATHETIC, TERRIBLE and wouldn't start or be even second string on any other team in the NFL. Our LG was okay 2 years ago prior to his ACL injury but he now is below average and that Tyler Polumbus, he is either the weakest tackle in football, or simply has the worst technique I have ever seen, personally I am at my wits end why he and Chris Chester is even starting. Seriously terrible....
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:01 pm
by Irn-Bru
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:09 pm
by langleyparkjoe
You know what I think it is just by watching yesterday's game.. Helu has a burst from the jump and Morris takes a sec or two to get going. Helu will jook, dart, spin and those kinda things but with Morris he jooks and will knock over a defensive player in the process and drag a few as well. I love the fact that we have two we can count on to do damage.
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:17 pm
by cowboykillerzRGiii
Alfred still leads the league in ypc rigggght? Id say the line is doing what it is designed to do
$.02
I'm with lpj here.. its so refreshing to have our own one two punch w Morris and helu.. our version of thunder and lightening is paying dividens!
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 5:20 pm
by emoses14
Beat Denver!
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:15 am
by StorminMormon86
emoses14 wrote:Beat Denver!
We will...
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:36 am
by DaSkinz Baby
cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Alfred still leads the league in ypc rigggght? Id say the line is doing what it is designed to do
$.02
I'm with lpj here.. its so refreshing to have our own one two punch w Morris and helu.. our version of thunder and lightening is paying dividens!
So you don't see the push that every defensive line get's against Chester and Polumbus
Sorry dude regardless of what Alfred has in terms of leading the league in YPC that isn't the right side of the line's doings AT ALL. Chester and Polumbus REEK!! and as a coach that has coached offensive and defensive lines I can tell you that Chester is just sorry, Polumbus has the worst technique I have seen. Yes we have a great RB tandem, but thank God Trent Williams is there to provide some amount of holes. I mean you did notice all the positive yards gained were behind Williams and running at Peppers. The right side of the line was being RAPED all day........And I won't even go on my tangent about the Defense and Jim Haslett, however I will say only against Washington can a Journeyman QB who wasn't even in the league 2 years ago, come in and look like Brett Farve. And no people don't give me the 74 yard stat line Cutler is a way better QB than his replacement is....Our defense is DOO DOO BUTTER....
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:39 am
by Countertrey
DaSkinz Baby wrote: Our defense is DOO DOO BUTTER....
Well... that's harsh.
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:42 am
by riggofan
DarthMonk wrote:Deadskins wrote:gushogs wrote:I think people are complaining because of fantasy points, cause Morris didn't get the TDs yesterday.... money/gambling blurring people perspectives????
HaiL,
Not me, I picked up Helu last week.
Not Royster??!!
Is Royster still on the team? hah. I seriously don't know.
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:37 am
by Deadskins
DarthMonk wrote:Deadskins wrote:gushogs wrote:I think people are complaining because of fantasy points, cause Morris didn't get the TDs yesterday.... money/gambling blurring people perspectives????
HaiL,
Not me, I picked up Helu last week.
Not Royster??!!
Touche.
