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Well we lost this week. Who to blame?

Special teams and untimely turnovers killed us today. It was a close game and turnovers will kill us everytime in such close games. I already mentioned the great field position and the free TD our special teams gave away.
Then we come back from halftime and give up a huge return. Couple that with two very costly turnovers from RG3 and we lost what was a close game.

On to the positives. Our defense kept us in this game. Our front seven looks like they are starting to play in synch. Our saftey play stills needs to improve but overall the defense was solid.

RG3s legs are looking better each week. While his accuracy is about 50/50 some throws look good some not so much. At least he is getting stronger each week health wise.
It might not look like our receivers are getting much separation. But last year RG3 was able to fit it into the tight windows. Now RG3s throws are slightly off. Which makes all the difference. RG3s progress is coming its just coming slower then we would like.

Alfred Morris had a solid outing. But we need more from the offense. Just a tad more.

If we can cut out the turnovers and penalties. Then a solid outing from our defense combined with a slightly better effort from our offense will win us games.

I feel like we are not too far off from ripping off a coulple in a row.
So I still feel like we are in this thing. But it has to start next week.

So back to the drawing board. But it shouldnt be too hard to correct. We are not dead yet!

We have a number of holes to fill. It'll be a few seasons until we can fill those and become a more complete team. Until then, win some lose some.

I agree herohamo!

If we didn't give the kick returns and silly penalties we might have helped cover the untimely turnovers.. but all three together is no way to win games.
All hope isn't lost!

Did anyone see if Jarvis Jenkins suited up? Never saw Chris Thompson or aldrick Robinson either... Are they in the dog house or something?

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:I agree herohamo!

If we didn't give the kick returns and silly penalties we might have helped cover the untimely turnovers.. but all three together is no way to win games.
All hope isn't lost!

Did anyone see if Jarvis Jenkins suited up? Never saw Chris Thompson or aldrick Robinson either... Are they in the dog house or something?

Jenkins played. Robinson suited up but didn't get much time if any. Chris Thompson was inactive. He got benched.

HEROHAMO wrote:Well we lost this week. Who to blame?

Special teams and untimely turnovers killed us today. It was a close game and turnovers will kill us everytime in such close games. I already mentioned the great field position and the free TD our special teams gave away.
Then we come back from halftime and give up a huge return. Couple that with two very costly turnovers from RG3 and we lost what was a close game.

On to the positives. Our defense kept us in this game. Our front seven looks like they are starting to play in synch. Our saftey play stills needs to improve but overall the defense was solid.

RG3s legs are looking better each week. While his accuracy is about 50/50 some throws look good some not so much. At least he is getting stronger each week health wise.
It might not look like our receivers are getting much separation. But last year RG3 was able to fit it into the tight windows. Now RG3s throws are slightly off. Which makes all the difference. RG3s progress is coming its just coming slower then we would like.

Alfred Morris had a solid outing. But we need more from the offense. Just a tad more.

If we can cut out the turnovers and penalties. Then a solid outing from our defense combined with a slightly better effort from our offense will win us games.

I feel like we are not too far off from ripping off a coulple in a row.
So I still feel like we are in this thing. But it has to start next week.

So back to the drawing board. But it shouldnt be too hard to correct. We are not dead yet!

We're actually better than our record, but not much better. Our RB's are not a problem but our OL is less than mediocre and other receivers as a group are average (Reed and Garcon are impressive). Robert's still weak at this point as a passer and our defense is inconsistent. We'll be lucky to win five games. Our special teams are almost incredibly weak. I don't know why I didn't see this coming, but I didn't. We simply got on a roll last year--couldn't last, fooled everyone, most of all ourselves.

Rg3 had to have an internal clock. The Oline didn't play well but those fumbles were on rg3. Special teams is a joke, but I thought defense actually played alright. I think we're improving every week, but this is not our year.

The good: RGIII looked MUCH better with his legs. Defense was solid.

THE BAD: Well, we lost. The defense let a long opening drive TD. Forbath missed again.

THE UGLY: Special teams. Oy.

Didn't see the game....but it looks like we GOT SCORCHED by Dullass....

The defense had a great day, Dhall made some picturebook plays and Riley had a great game.
Somebody forgot to invite an offensive line to come and play, they looked wore out and got manhandled.
RG3 played poorly, Collingsworth lavished unwarrented praises on Robert but he did not get the job done and the offense collapsed around him.
Even with the pitiful special teams play Dallas would have won, they beat us by more than the 2 touchdowns that specials teams play earned for them.
I thought play calling boring, unless Morris was still hurting and we don't know about it. He should have touched the ball more often running to the ouside until dallas figured how to stop it and then run up the middle. He really should have caught that pass too, his quaterback was suffering and needs some help.

tribeofjudah wrote:Didn't see the game....but it looks like we GOT SCORCHED by Dullass....

We really didn't. We kept their offense off the field for a good chunk of the game. We lost because of two big special teams plays and penalties.

riggofan wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:Didn't see the game....but it looks like we GOT SCORCHED by Dullass....

We really didn't. We kept their offense off the field for a good chunk of the game. We lost because of two big special teams plays and penalties.

the lost fumble on our own 4 yard line really hurt us as well

The team's getting better, but way too slowly to salvage this season....I don't think anyone saw the team being this far off from last year's team, including the coaching staff. I imagined that RG3 would take some time to get back to himself, but I didn't foresee the defense having to come back...they should've been markedly better beginning in game 1 by virtue of having all of the starters back, but they weren't....they have been considerably worse....the D definitely looked better last night, but still has a ways to go...RG3 and the O looked slightly better, but the O line is horrible, and I'm not quite sure how they fix it....special teams are atrocious... anything would be an improvement there...anyway, I think this season is a bust...maybe next year....where have I heard that before?

Burgundy&Wha? wrote:We have a number of holes to fill. It'll be a few seasons until we can fill those and become a more complete team. Until then, win some lose some.

I don't fully agree - we we're more hurt by the cap BS than we thought ... we're not far off the pace really and we do have a lot to look forward to with this great QB

does not look good for this season but I think we'll see a lot of things to 'build on' as well

oj wrote:The defense had a great day, Dhall made some picturebook plays and Riley had a great game.
Somebody forgot to invite an offensive line to come and play, they looked wore out and got manhandled.
RG3 played poorly, Collingsworth lavished unwarrented praises on Robert but he did not get the job done and the offense collapsed around him.
Even with the pitiful special teams play Dallas would have won, they beat us by more than the 2 touchdowns that specials teams play earned for them.
I thought play calling boring, unless Morris was still hurting and we don't know about it. He should have touched the ball more often running to the ouside until dallas figured how to stop it and then run up the middle. He really should have caught that pass too, his quaterback was suffering and needs some help.

This loss is 90% on the ST! They contributed to a 17 point swing (2 TDs and a missed FG) in a game lost by 15. The ST coach was called for a personal foul for interfering with a ref, that is the first time I have ever seen that! Letting Danny Smith go was the right call, but not hiring a competent replacement was not!

I'm livid or how bad or STs are! They when we finally do something good on STs the refs (INCORRECTLY) overturn it. They got that call on the muffed punt wrong! The Cowgirl was actively engaged with one of our players and even if he is driven back into the ball it is still a muff. He would have had to have been just standing around, not participating in the play for the fumble recovery to be waved off.

riggofan wrote:

tribeofjudah wrote:Didn't see the game....but it looks like we GOT SCORCHED by Dullass....

We really didn't. We kept their offense off the field for a good chunk of the game. We lost because of two big special teams plays and penalties.

Yeah, one TD was on a punt return, one was set up by a 90-yd KO return that started the drive at our 15, and a third was set up inside our 5 by a fumble. Other then that, there was the opening drive to start the game, but otherwise we held them to 5 punts, a field goal (a drive set up by our own missed FG), and an INT.

I don't know in what order, but special teams, OL and penalties killed us today.
RG3 improved a lot and looked close to the guy from last year, but the OL got manhandled by a mediocre DL.
No offensive TD's in the 1st half of 5 games is shameful.

HaiL,

The coaching staff are mediocre ....they are hiding behind rg3 success last year.....you have a 1st down after jordan reed 29 yard gain....with 36 secs left....but didnt call a time out .....only for an incomplete pass stopping the clock at 15 secs....then running a qb draw WTF WTF WTF

I'm sure the thinking was that Dallas had been playing the pass and that there wasn't going to be a spy on the QB. Also, the Oline stayed home so I was wondering if there was a pass option. In their defense, he got down to the 2 yd line. Unfortunately we just ran out of time.

The offensive line was terrible last night. They couldn't block the starters or the backups. They seemed to have a terrible time to have their worst game. What frustrates me the most is the defense played lights out last night. So much better than expected or have played easily their best game of the year.

The special teams better get this fixed fast because Devin Hester is coming next week and I don't want to be hangin with my buddy (who's a bears fan) and getting lit up.

Lastly, someone will need to step up in the WR corps. They have to learn how to get off coverage. They also need to utilize Moss more because he's the only WR who seems to know how to run routes vs zone coverage which we see a lot of btw.

ps - Can someone figure out how the hell to run a hurry up offense in the last 5 mins of the game when you're down two scores!!!! It's one thing to run a hurry up w/ 14 mins in the 2nd qtr but how about at the end of the game.

IMHO, the OL contributed most to the loss. They were just horrendous. They couldn't open holes for Morris and didn't give RGIII adequate protection. I personally felt this was the first "bad game" by our OL -- so that says something. On top of that, KS called a bad game. They should have run more stretch plays and less up the gut as that was clearly not working.

Although Dallas scored 31, our D actually had their best outing of the season. DHall did a great job on Bryant and our LBs on Whitten. 14 points were scored off special teams and from an RGIII fumble at the 4 yard line. Take those away and our D only gave up 17 --- which is acceptable.

RGIII also appears to be improving, but still has a good deal to go until he is back to form. I did see things I really liked, but he still is playing --- for lack of a better word --- scared. He hesitates/tenses up when defenders get close. Once RGIII gets over this, it will greatly help him and Morris.

If I were to place blame --- #1 goes to the OL and a close second to RGIII as he gave up 2 HUGE TOs. I liked what I saw from a progression standpoint, but he still has a L-O-N-G way to go.

markshark84 wrote:IMHO, the OL contributed most to the loss. They were just horrendous. They couldn't open holes for Morris and didn't give RGIII adequate protection. I personally felt this was the first "bad game" by our OL -- so that says something. On top of that, KS called a bad game. They should have run more stretch plays and less up the gut as that was clearly not working.

Although Dallas scored 31, our D actually had their best outing of the season. DHall did a great job on Bryant and our LBs on Whitten. 14 points were scored off special teams and from an RGIII fumble at the 4 yard line. Take those away and our D only gave up 17 --- which is acceptable.

RGIII also appears to be improving, but still has a good deal to go until he is back to form. I did see things I really liked, but he still is playing --- for lack of a better word --- scared. He hesitates/tenses up when defenders get close. Once RGIII gets over this, it will greatly help him and Morris.

If I were to place blame --- #1 goes to the OL and a close second to RGIII as he gave up 2 HUGE TOs. I liked what I saw from a progression standpoint, but he still has a L-O-N-G way to go.

I also failed to mention the three trips to the redzone that only got 9 points instead of a single touchdown. Not sure if that's play calling, execution whatever but you have to take a chance once and we didn't do that.

By the way, is RG3 just terrible at catching a fade or is there no one on the team who can catch it? I haven't seen a fade all season.

markshark84 wrote:If I were to place blame --- #1 goes to the OL and a close second to RGIII as he gave up 2 HUGE TOs. I liked what I saw from a progression standpoint, but he still has a L-O-N-G way to go.

I just don't see how you can overlook two 90 yard kickoff returns/punt returns. Those completely changed the game.

Turnovers happen in every game. Romo turned the ball over last night too. He just didn't have to catch up from the special teams spotting the other team two scores.

I do get the frustration with the OL. I mean, that RGIII run in the first half should have been a score if Will Montgomery could have made ONE block. And the Cowboys line was completely depleted, no Ware, etc; I just don't think they were the #1 issue last night. We still moved the ball.

Our offense has managed to score ONE TOUCHDOWN in the first half in 5 games. You cannot ignore that. Sure special teams sucked bad last night, but our offense continued to go out there and either settle for a FG or turn it over. The turnover right on our 4 yard line is what cost the game. We were still in it, only 8 points down. Our offense is awful, top to bottom. I don't see much improvement considering we didn't even score a touchdown until the 3rd quarter! On the positive side, I thought our D looked much, much better.

riggofan wrote:

markshark84 wrote:If I were to place blame --- #1 goes to the OL and a close second to RGIII as he gave up 2 HUGE TOs. I liked what I saw from a progression standpoint, but he still has a L-O-N-G way to go.

I just don't see how you can overlook two 90 yard kickoff returns/punt returns. Those completely changed the game.

Turnovers happen in every game. Romo turned the ball over last night too. He just didn't have to catch up from the special teams spotting the other team two scores.

No --- you are absolutely correct. I'm not sure where my mind was on that one. Special teams is tied for 1st with the OL. That said, our offense is horrible. They can't score and giving up the ball. They are a serious liablity.

As far as the TOs --- they happen in games --- but they need to be limiited and SHOULD NOT happen in crucial times. That is one of those things that separates the winners from losers. The OL contributed to RGIII's fumble, BUT he should have sensed that pressure.

This is becoming more and more like watching the games in 2011 with Grossman or Beck...just awful, awful football on offense, IMO.