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Countertrey wrote:I have no idea what the cheesehead is talking about...

OldSchool wrote:His performances in the two games were similar

OldSchool wrote:How many games do the rest of you think the Skins should give Griffin before making a change?

frankcal20 wrote:RG3 actually showed a lot of improvement. The issue is that by the end of the first QTR we are only able to run the 2 min offense because we are so far behind. I'm not putting blame on the defense or the offense. I'm putting blame on both the defense AND offense. RG3 is playing his 3rd preseason game so hopefully we will see the biggest growth in his game. Thankfully the bye week couldn't' come at a better time for us. RG3 plays and continues to play because he needs the snaps to gain confidence in his knee. With knee surgeries, getting back int he game is mostly mention. There's a lack of trust and a bit of fear that you could get hurt again but once you get hit or do something great the fear seeps away and we should see RG3 of old.

frankcal20 wrote:RG3 actually showed a lot of improvement. The issue is that by the end of the first QTR we are only able to run the 2 min offense because we are so far behind. I'm not putting blame on the defense or the offense. I'm putting blame on both the defense AND offense. RG3 is playing his 3rd preseason game so hopefully we will see the biggest growth in his game. Thankfully the bye week couldn't' come at a better time for us. RG3 plays and continues to play because he needs the snaps to gain confidence in his knee. With knee surgeries, getting back int he game is mostly mention. There's a lack of trust and a bit of fear that you could get hurt again but once you get hit or do something great the fear seeps away and we should see RG3 of old.

Irn-Bru wrote:I know the rust and 3 and outs have been aggravating, but our offense really isn't the problem, and RGIII specifically isn't a problem, either. They will find their groove. Our defense needs to step it up big time. There's where the real concern is.

DaSkinz Baby wrote:If you ask me, I don't think he should have been allowed to play until after the bye week. I think him coming back was nothing more than a ploy to get fans excited. If we are going to run the same offense that we run with Rex or Kirk, than start Kirk, if you want to run the read option use Pat White, it's evident IMHO that RGIII isn't able to do what he did last year and I don't think we have the time to lose games waiting for him to heal......

riggofan wrote:

DaSkinz Baby wrote:If you ask me, I don't think he should have been allowed to play until after the bye week. I think him coming back was nothing more than a ploy to get fans excited. If we are going to run the same offense that we run with Rex or Kirk, than start Kirk, if you want to run the read option use Pat White, it's evident IMHO that RGIII isn't able to do what he did last year and I don't think we have the time to lose games waiting for him to heal......

Its a fair point. There was a lot of discussion about this before the season though I would say it was 80-20 in favor or RGIII starting.

I don't really know what was behind the rush to get him back for week 1. It did seem a little unthinkable to me coming off that injury that he would be able to start. Was it really the team trying to generate hype? Do the Redskins really ever need to generate hype before the first week of the season? hah. Was the pressure from the RGIII camp?

All that said, I personally think they need to stick with RGIII. Maybe a different story if we had a defense playing well and losing games 17-3 or something. I'm just not buying that Kirk Cousins was going to be the difference maker against the Packers last weekend.

langleyparkjoe wrote:You play RG3 UNLESS he gets injured (knock on wood), benching him isn't an option.

Countertrey wrote:

langleyparkjoe wrote:You play RG3 UNLESS he gets injured (knock on wood), benching him isn't an option.

Fixed it for you... that feels much more optimistic, sparkly, and super-special all that...

markshark84 wrote:You play him as long as his play is progressing week to week. If he is regressing or showing a lack of confidence on his knee, then you need to pull him --- for his own good.

RG3 has been a shade of what he was last year. If it has been decided that he will not run under any circumstance, then you need to change the offense. The pistol without a QB threat of taking off is ineffective.

I personally have not seen many positives in his return. He has been inconsistent throwing, restricted offensively, and not confident.

If he is truly as "healthy" as the team wants us and the media to believe, MS/KS would let RGIII play the game more instinctually -- which is when he's at his best.

OldSchool wrote:How many games do the rest of you think the Skins should give Griffin before making a change?

John Keim wrote:ASHBURN, Va. -- The focus was on leadership. And running with the ball. And dealing with criticism. All the topics are legitimate.

Meanwhile, this one is too: Robert Griffin III improved from the first game to the second -- even if his numbers were built in a blowout. The Washington Redskins saw progress; the throws he made were tougher than what he faced against the Philadelphia Eagles, when all but two of his completions traveled 10 yards or less.


Griffin III
Yes, his legs need to be incorporated more, but it was progress.

“You could see his footwork, just his base and stepping up into the throws, he felt a lot more comfortable,” Redskins coach Mike Shanahan said. “This is a long process. It’s not going to happen overnight. We’ve talked about it before. This is something that he’s going to get better at and better at as time goes on.”

That’s what the Redskins need if they’re going to emerge from the rubble of an 0-2 start. It was hard to know how Griffin would fare once the season began because of his inability to practice during the spring or play in the preseason. Turns out the impact is great, even for a player such as Griffin.

He’s only run the ball nine times, and none off a designed play or zone-read option.

“This is like his second preseason game,” Redskins receiver Santana Moss said. “You’re not going to make him do a bunch of stuff we’re not sure of. Once he gets his feeling back and the coach is confident with him doing all that stuff, I’m sure they’ll let him do more. Right now I don’t think that’s what we need to do to win games … We have [the zone-read option] called, but if they’re keying on him then he’s not going to run the ball, and that’s what teams are doing. You’ll see him hand the ball off. I’m glad he’s doing that because we don’t need that right now.”

Griffin said Wednesday that he knows his legs provide a spark for the offense. It can provide a temporary solution, but it’s his passing that needs to be more consistent. Just look at his work on third downs; it’s not all on him, but his numbers aren’t good here: 7-of-19 passing; 3.1 yards per pass attempt. He’s facing more pressure in those situations.

Griffin said he felt better with his technique in the 38-20 loss to the Packers. He can still improve his overall anticipation and timing on routes, though some of that stems from the receivers getting back in sync with him, too. At times he's throwing the ball as the receiver already is coming out of his break, allowing the defensive back to drive on the ball and break it up. That's a timing built on repetition with the receivers.

“I feel like, just as a group, we’ve all been off a little bit,” Griffin said. “We’ll figure that out and we’ll get it going. We’ve been hitting in practice, in the games at times we are hitting, so I don’t think it’s necessarily a problem. It’s showing up, especially on third down, we just have got to execute better, and we will.”

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OldSchool wrote:How many games do the rest of you think the Skins should give Griffin before making a change?

ok....why not run Rexy out there? or re-sign White? let's go in COMPLETE panic mode shall we? ...just wow. He will get it together and soon. Do you REALLY think RGIII is happy with his performance? This man is a warrior let him fight.

riggofan wrote:I'm just not buying that Kirk Cousins was going to be the difference maker against the Packers last weekend.