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I have read how the Eagles are improving with the hurry up offense with elapse time between plays in the 10-12 sec range. How do you think the defense will adapt to a faster pace, especially in 4th quarter?

I think this could cause problems for many teams as substitution could be limited.

SKINS#1 wrote:I have read how the Eagles are improving with the hurry up offense with elapse time between plays in the 10-12 sec range. How do you think the defense will adapt to a faster pace, especially in 4th quarter?

I think this could cause problems for many teams as substitution could be limited.

Haz has been working up the stamina of the defense for this type of offense. I think they will be just fine defending against it.

We get a lot of fuss about our o-line & defense at times (defense majority of the time), but look how fast they progressed through last year. I mentioned this in another post, but lets not forget that our defense practices against our offense numerous times a week. Remember, our offense is one of the best in the league. I'd say that's enough to make men out of the boys.

What's really cool is how they are moving Kerrigan around to add in more pass rushers.

Lastly, a possible solution to this is just to have our offense run a few extra short plays to give the defense a few more mins of rest between drives. The team is practicing "behind the curtain" so I think we'll see some nice mad scientist schemes coming on this year both ways.

Good stuff!

SKINS#1 wrote:I have read how the Eagles are improving with the hurry up offense with elapse time between plays in the 10-12 sec range. How do you think the defense will adapt to a faster pace, especially in 4th quarter?

I think this could cause problems for many teams as substitution could be limited.

Note that if the offense subs then the defense must be given time to sub.

Having said that, a really effective measure is to 3-and-out the team in hurry-up and then sustain a long scoring drive on offense. Do that a few times and they start to think about giving THEIR defense a rest.

I call it the method.

I don't believe that they will ever get to 10-12 seconds. The officials determine how quickly the ball is available to put into play, and with the recent changes to the positioning of the Umpire, it's not likely that this can happen more frequently than 17-20 seconds. Beyond that, the speed will actually increase the frequency of contact with Vick... I don't believe he can work a progression of reads with enough efficiency to consistently get the ball out of his hands in time to avoid contact... and contact definitely slows Vick down.

Well put! We shall see... But imho there gonna have to move fast to avoid getting smashed by our defensive front!

The hurry up offense is not new to the NFL. It has been around for a long time. The eagles will just run it more than most. It will be a problem but I believe our defense will adjust.

What darth said. If you stop it, they will stop it because their defense will be so winded after a couple drives that it would be torture to continue an ineffective hurry-up offense.

So the question remains - what is the key to forcing the O to make mistakes on the hurry up offense?

My guess is assignments. If the D plays disciplined, then the hurry up offense should not cause too many problems. Add to that strong pressure on the Qb and you have a recipe for success.

I actually think with a veteran like London Fletcher coaching on the field, the Redskins should be above average at worst against the hurry up offense. Teams that can audible at the line will do best against our young secondary. I think Denver will be a tough game for Washington defensively, for example.

Didn't seem to be a problem vs the Bills' version of the hurry up...

If the offense changes personnel the defense must be given opportunity to make changes. I think we are going to have a nice rotation of players like this preseason where we sub out DE's for OLB's and just bring in a bunch of speed on 3rd down. Also will help keep the big guys fresh too.

FanofallthatisGibbs wrote:What darth said. If you stop it, they will stop it because their defense will be so winded after a couple drives that it would be torture to continue an ineffective hurry-up offense.

Joe T brought this up a lot during the Buffalo game.

FanofallthatisGibbs wrote:So the question remains - what is the key to forcing the O to make mistakes on the hurry up offense?

Yes.

FanofallthatisGibbs wrote:My guess is assignments. If the D plays disciplined, then the hurry up offense should not cause too many problems. Add to that strong pressure on the Qb and you have a recipe for success.

Discipline is always key on defense but perhaps even more so against the hurry-up.

FanofallthatisGibbs wrote:I actually think with a veteran like London Fletcher coaching on the field, the Redskins should be above average at worst against the hurry up offense. Teams that can audible at the line will do best against our young secondary. I think Denver will be a tough game for Washington defensively, for example.

This makes the same kind of sense as the "assignments" point - good sense.

If the offense is going uptempo then the defense has to be uptempo as well. We have to be ready when the ball is spotted too.

If we are extremely well prepared we might even be able to make some down-and-distance defensive substitutions whether the offense makes any of their own or not. Another method not tied to down-and-distance is to always replace the tackler if he's on our side of the near hash. He earns a breather and it's an easy substitution.

I'd say we can be aggressive against a hurry up. Turn LeSean McCoy into a blocking back like we did Thurman Thomas in the Super Bowl against the, ahem, "K-gun." Turn hungry extra LBs loose on blitz packages we've not shown yet - again, like in that Super Bowl.

Hurry up punt offensive; all dressed up, nowhere to go.

BTW - we ran roughly twice as many plays as the Bills did and at one point we 3-and-outed them 5 times in a row.

While I like Vick, he's not Peyton... They'll win some battles, we'll win some.

The real story here is, how will their defense handle our run attack. How will they hold up if their fast paced offense goes 3 & Out consecutive times. If anyone will be worn down, it'll be them.

The no-huddle is a double edged sword and they don't have a QB that's consistent enough to make it less dangerous for them.

Our defense is great at takeaways, if Vick gives the ball away in conjunction with punting it away... It'll be their defense that's in for a long day, not ours.

I agree, CLL. I finally got a pretty good look at Philly's new offense and I have to say I wasn't all that impressed. The problem with running a no huddle is that you don't have time to call sophisticated plays. The Eagles looked a lot like a college offense to me.

Our defense can play a little more reactive football and focus on pressuring Vick. I honestly don't see the Eagles outsmarting us, so it's all a question of whether or not we can disrupt their rhythm. A few three and outs and watch out, because our offense will get on a roll.

Irn-Bru wrote:I agree, CLL. I finally got a pretty good look at Philly's new offense and I have to say I wasn't all that impressed. The problem with running a no huddle is that you don't have time to call sophisticated plays. The Eagles looked a lot like a college offense to me.

Our defense can play a little more reactive football and focus on pressuring Vick. I honestly don't see the Eagles outsmarting us, so it's all a question of whether or not we can disrupt their rhythm. A few three and outs and watch out, because our offense will get on a roll.

What I see really hurting us.... The screen. That will really be bad. Especially if it's on Orakpo's side.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:I agree, CLL. I finally got a pretty good look at Philly's new offense and I have to say I wasn't all that impressed. The problem with running a no huddle is that you don't have time to call sophisticated plays. The Eagles looked a lot like a college offense to me.

Our defense can play a little more reactive football and focus on pressuring Vick. I honestly don't see the Eagles outsmarting us, so it's all a question of whether or not we can disrupt their rhythm. A few three and outs and watch out, because our offense will get on a roll.

What I see really hurting us.... The screen. That will really be bad. Especially if it's on Orakpo's side.

It would have to be on 'Rak's side. Kerrigan is pretty good a sniffing out the screen and by my count has two pick-sixes (one last year) on the screen

An effective hurry up requires a QB with some smarts.

Countertrey wrote:I don't believe that they will ever get to 10-12 seconds. The officials determine how quickly the ball is available to put into play, and with the recent changes to the positioning of the Umpire, it's not likely that this can happen more frequently than 17-20 seconds. Beyond that, the speed will actually increase the frequency of contact with Vick... I don't believe he can work a progression of reads with enough efficiency to consistently get the ball out of his hands in time to avoid contact... and contact definitely slows Vick down.

^^ IMHO - this assessment is correct - it's not going to be possible to run plays as quickly in the NFL ...

AND

while the Eagles will try and run plays as quickly as possible, I don't see that being as effective with Vick - he's not going to be available if they choose to do this much

How is the Eagles hurry-up offense different than the one Richie Petibon stopped in SB 26?

welch wrote:How is the Eagles hurry-up offense different than the one Richie Petibon stopped in SB 26?

This one is a college scheme.

Where I see us being vulnerable is the big play. If I were CK, I'd design plays to isolate Rambo in 1-1 situations. McCoy vs Rambo in the open field, I'd take McCoy almost every time.

Our front 7 is going to win/lose this game. They'll need to protect a young secondary.

welch wrote:How is the Eagles hurry-up offense different than the one Richie Petibon stopped in SB 26?

OTOH... I don't see Richie Pettibon on the Redskins sidelines...


Not that it will change the outcome... I think they will handle the Eagles, as long as they can slow down shady.

Haslett has them using the Swift Package -

"Haslett's creative alignment, from left to right, starts with eighth-year pro Darryl Tapp, rookie Brandon Jenkins and Ryan Kerrigan taking three-point stances along the line of scrimmage. Orakpo stands up behind Kerrigan at right outside linebacker, while Perry Riley lines up at the left outside position, and London Fletcher, in his 16th season, mans the middle."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nf ... k/2726901/

yupchagee wrote:An effective hurry up requires a QB with some smarts.

Agree with this and SJ's comment as well. This is all I can think about when I hear Vick is going to be running this offense. For all of this talents, he is still good for a couple bonehead plays a game. Hanging on to the ball too long, throwing picks instead of throwing the ball away, etc;

I think Kelly will have a little advantage going into that game in that we can't know exactly what to expect. You could probably say the same thing about us with RGIII though.

riggofan wrote:

yupchagee wrote:An effective hurry up requires a QB with some smarts.

Agree with this and SJ's comment as well. This is all I can think about when I hear Vick is going to be running this offense. For all of this talents, he is still good for a couple bonehead plays a game. Hanging on to the ball too long, throwing picks instead of throwing the ball away, etc;

I think Kelly will have a little advantage going into that game in that we can't know exactly what to expect. You could probably say the same thing about us with RGIII though.

... not to mentions the new skins blitz packages we have yet to see