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Yes, we have a problem at LB. How do we play them all?

Kerrigan - Probowler
Orakpo - Probowler
Fletch - Probowler
Riley - A bit underrated, he's been playing really well for us.
Jackson - Great pass defender


How do we get them all on the field at once? What are your ideas? Bench Riley on obvious passing downs? Fletch is our weakest link in pass coverage, but can you really sit him down?

Not to mention Daryl Tapp who was a little overrated but now will be underrated and used periodically in our scheme. Jenkins is gonna be a beast with his speed. We are deeper than people give us credit for. We just need to start focusing this offseason on Fletchs replacement. Maybe the kid from BYU. I hear he is legit.

Shanny & Co. really have reshaped this roster. A far cry from Vinny, isn't it?

Burgundy&Wha? wrote:Shanny & Company really have reshaped this roster. A far cry from Vinny, isn't it?

you're partly right on both counts - Mike and the whole staff have done an incredible turnaround here and found so many players that fit what they wanted to have here
Having a FO with a plan was key but finding the staff to find the players and coaches that fit that plan was key too

Vinny Cerrato was not even the main reason for what happened and the problems this franchise had over so many years, he was just a part of it
there was no plan, NONE - PLUS, there was zero accountability


many here were saying that it could all be turned around if we just could get the right people in place to change the way things were done here, from top to bottom

I'm looking forward to these guys continuing to improve this franchise ....


having depth like we have at LB, in such a short amount of time, is just another example of how great so many of these acquisitions have been
Having good LBs is a major PLUS for any defense

SkinsJock wrote:having depth like we have at LB, in such a short amount of time, is just another example of how great so many of these acquisitions have been

Not to disagree with your main point, but Shanahan only brought in one of those players, the rest were Vinny.

Deadskins wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:having depth like we have at LB, in such a short amount of time, is just another example of how great so many of these acquisitions have been

Not to disagree with your main point, but Shanahan only brought in one of those players, the rest were Vinny.

no worries - Cerrato was brought in because of what he had done - most here know Cerrato was NOT the ONLY reason we were in the mess we were in

it just took a good FO, WITH A PLAN to know who to keep and what to throw away

... it gets worse... you forgot Robinson, whom many think can be a pretty good one...

A good problem to have

Countertrey wrote:... it gets worse... you forgot Robinson, whom many think can be a pretty good one...

True, but I only mentioned guys that I could recall at the moment. Robinson got hurt last year, right? I'm losing track.

Deadskins wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:having depth like we have at LB, in such a short amount of time, is just another example of how great so many of these acquisitions have been

Not to disagree with your main point, but Shanahan only brought in one of those players, the rest were Vinny.

Orakpo was a Vinny pick, but Vinny really never had a problem with the first round picks (it was the rest of the picks he had no clue about).

Rob Jackson was a DE drafted in the seventh round by Vinny and Shanny turned him into Monte Coleman 2.0

Fletcher was a Gregg (cut the head off of the snake) Williams decision. London followed GW from Baffalo when he had a chance to leave the Bills.

So yes, three of the LBs were here during Vinny, but I give hime no credit for London, Orakpo was a Captian Obvious pick, and Rob Jackson was just a blind squirrel getting a nut.

We'll need the depth. You can't plan ahead for who will get injured, but it's a pretty good bet that those 5 guys will not be available for 100% of the season.

Deadskins wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:having depth like we have at LB, in such a short amount of time, is just another example of how great so many of these acquisitions have been

Not to disagree with your main point, but Shanahan only brought in one of those players, the rest were Vinny.

I credit Mike for realizing the worth of these players. This team was gutted to the extreme but these guys remained and every one of them have produced in huge ways for us.

I can't think of a single player who was cut that really made an impact somewhere else. The only player that comes to mind is Carlos but that was mutual and he didn't really want to be here. But fine, count him. That's 1 out of 30+ players? Or are my numbers off?

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:having depth like we have at LB, in such a short amount of time, is just another example of how great so many of these acquisitions have been

Not to disagree with your main point, but Shanahan only brought in one of those players, the rest were Vinny.

I credit Mike for realizing the worth of these players. This team was gutted to the extreme but these guys remained and every one of them have produced in huge ways for us.

I can't think of a single player who was cut that really made an impact somewhere else. The only player that comes to mind is Carlos but that was mutual and he didn't really want to be here. But fine, count him. That's 1 out of 30+ players? Or are my numbers off?

I think Laron could be argued to be like a .5, so 1.5, I guess. Other than that, I'm having a real hard time coming up with anyone. Which (and this is your point) goes to show the real value of Shanahan's tenure. I have said it like 2x, you've about 100, the (necessary and vital) change in the team was obvious before Griffin got here if you looked at anything other than Ws and Ls.

emoses14 wrote:I think Laron could be argued to be like a .5, so 1.5, I guess. Other than that, I'm having a real hard time coming up with anyone. Which (and this is your point) goes to show the real value of Shanahan's tenure. I have said it like 2x, you've about 100, the (necessary and vital) change in the team was obvious before Griffin got here if you looked at anything other than Ws and Ls.

I understand the teams hesitancy to resign him. Laron made the probowl last year, I'm happy for him. He just signed a 4 year deal with the Colts. I think Mike realized Laron's value, but the injury scared them off. That's understandable. The other thing is, could we have afforded to resign Laron with our cap penalties...

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

emoses14 wrote:I think Laron could be argued to be like a .5, so 1.5, I guess. Other than that, I'm having a real hard time coming up with anyone. Which (and this is your point) goes to show the real value of Shanahan's tenure. I have said it like 2x, you've about 100, the (necessary and vital) change in the team was obvious before Griffin got here if you looked at anything other than Ws and Ls.

I understand the teams hesitancy to resign him. Laron made the probowl last year, I'm happy for him. He just signed a 4 year deal with the Colts. I think Mike realized Laron's value, but the injury scared them off. That's understandable. The other thing is, could we have afforded to resign Laron with our cap penalties...

You and me both. I was happy to see him walk for reasons you already covered. Also happy to see him do "well" last year. And I think it isn't an issue of affording him (in light of the cap theft), but rather of having assessed the cost benefit of signing him and his injury, they decided "no" on signing him.

in fact, the only move of Shanahan's that I don't 100% agree with (in hindsight, though) is Donovan. And by that, I mean bringing him in the first place. I agree with how he was handled after that.

IF all are healthy, take the starters out when tired to keep them fresh. BUT, as we all know injuries do happen so its good to have some insurance.

They'll probably rotate out Flether/Orakpo as much as possible to keep them fresh. Kerrigan plays every snap so doubt he'll be off the field much if at all this season.

I want to see someone step up and look like a logical starter in next to Riley next season. We won't find anyone as good as Fletcher but we need to find someone who is a serviceable starter.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Yes, we have a problem at LB. How do we play them all?

Kerrigan - Probowler
Orakpo - Probowler
Fletch - Probowler
Riley - A bit underrated, he's been playing really well for us.
Jackson - Great pass defender


How do we get them all on the field at once? What are your ideas? Bench Riley on obvious passing downs? Fletch is our weakest link in pass coverage, but can you really sit him down?

This has been mostly a foreign concept to skins fans for close to 20 years, but this is what depth looks like.

All 5 of them don't have to start. All 5 don't have to play at the same time. However, all 5 can get quality time depending on the defensive packages, situations, rotation, and inevitable injuries. All they need to do is be on the same page and buy into the gameplan set forth by our defensive coaches. LB is the most versitile position on the field; they will all get snaps.

What is great about this situation is that less downs more spread out means less likelihood of injury.

Yeah yeah. You know who else had five linebackers? JIM ZORN!!!

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:having depth like we have at LB, in such a short amount of time, is just another example of how great so many of these acquisitions have been

Not to disagree with your main point, but Shanahan only brought in one of those players, the rest were Vinny.

I credit Mike for realizing the worth of these players. This team was gutted to the extreme but these guys remained and every one of them have produced in huge ways for us.

I can't think of a single player who was cut that really made an impact somewhere else. The only player that comes to mind is Carlos but that was mutual and he didn't really want to be here. But fine, count him. That's 1 out of 30+ players? Or are my numbers off?

Andre Carter had a good season in NE the yr after he left us.

riggofan wrote:Yeah yeah. You know who else had five linebackers? JIM ZORN!!!

and your point is what? Jim Zorn had absolutely NO clue about how to be a HC in the NFL - ZERO - possibly one of the worst hirings in the NFL - EVER -even worse than Spurrier

I love Jim Zorn but he's never going to be considered to be even a capable HC - great guy - but he had absolutely no idea of how to run an NFL franchise - NONE

SkinsJock wrote:Jim Zorn had absolutely NO clue about how to be a HC in the NFL - ZERO - possibly one of the worst hirings in the NFL - EVER -even worse than Spurrier

I don't agree with that at all.

Deadskins wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Jim Zorn had absolutely NO clue about how to be a HC in the NFL - ZERO - possibly one of the worst hirings in the NFL - EVER -even worse than Spurrier

I don't agree with that at all.

well ... maybe I was a little harsh ...

I do like Jim Zorn and, at the time, I hoped he could help our franchise ... he obviously had no chance here ...

even if he had 6 LBs ...

SkinsJock wrote:

riggofan wrote:Yeah yeah. You know who else had five linebackers? JIM ZORN!!!

and your point is what? Jim Zorn had absolutely NO clue about how to be a HC in the NFL - ZERO - possibly one of the worst hirings in the NFL - EVER -even worse than Spurrier

I love Jim Zorn but he's never going to be considered to be even a capable HC - great guy - but he had absolutely no idea of how to run an NFL franchise - NONE

Sorry man, I was completely kidding with that comment. You know we were just discussing that stupid Shanahan/Zorn comparison article.

riggofan wrote:Sorry man, I was completely kidding with that comment. You know we were just discussing that stupid Shanahan/Zorn comparison article.

no worries - it's just more of the same from the media - I know the Skins have been very good fodder for these guys in the past but to try and compare those 2 as HCs is just mediotic

actually - as some have pointed out - that this idiot is a HOF voter is even more troubling than the stupid articles he puts out there