D. Hall to be cut...........???

tribeofjudah · Post by **tribeofjudah** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:41 pm

The rumor mill is running.....

On Thursday's SportsCenter, ESPN's Adam Schefter mentioned DeAngelo Hall as a prime candidate for offseason release.
Schefter grouped Hall with Nnamdi Asomugha and James Harrison. "The Redskins are over the salary cap," Schefter explained. "... Hall is scheduled to make $8 million, that would come off the books for next season. He will be a candidate that the Redskins will look at to try to get back underneath the salary cap." Washington is currently about $4 million over the cap. Cutting Hall would get them under.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:19 pm

Cut Hall (

) but also try to bring him back under a new contract. He might want to stay in DC, and we could do much worse than keeping him as one of our starters. I think the main problem with him has always been the size of his contract.

This past year he did play pretty well for us down the stretch . . . just not All Pro well, which is what his salary would imply.

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:07 pm

How are we $4M over the cap?

DarthMonk · Post by **DarthMonk** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:31 pm

skinsfan#33 wrote:How are we $4M over the cap?

Countertrey · Post by **Countertrey** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:08 pm

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HTTRRG3ALMO · Post by **HTTRRG3ALMO** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:50 pm

^^HAHAHA!!

If we do cut Hall I certainly hope we have some solid plans on replacing him via draft talent. That's a gamble either way.

Threatening to cut him may bring him down to a price that he's more fitting for.

With the $ saved, I'd like to see us pick up that KC lineman that's be discussed in the other thread.

HTTRRG3ALMO · Post by **HTTRRG3ALMO** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 11:19 pm

Just a thought, I know the decision is more likely based upon the cap situation, but I can't help but wonder if it has anything to do with the performance of any returning injured players (who are/could do well in CB position).

Probably not, but would be interesting if so...

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:00 am

skinsfan#33 wrote:How are we $4M over the cap?

We're not I've got us at around $2M over...

However, our boy J. La Canfora has us at $2.9 under

I think somebody calculated Brown's voided contract wrong...

skinsfan#33 · Post by **skinsfan#33** » Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:28 am

I was going to ask its we released Jamal Brown yet.

Of course I know about the$36M cap hit, but I thought we were a little below our $105.9M cap.

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Fri Mar 08, 2013 10:37 am

skinsfan#33 wrote:I was going to ask its we released Jamal Brown yet.

Of course I know about the$36M cap hit, but I thought we were a little below our $105.9M cap.

2013 Salary Cap $123,900,000
Carryover $4,270,000
CapGate -$18,000,000
Adjusted Cap Number $110,170,000
2013 Dead Cap $5,210,000
Rule Of 51 $107,272,258
Cap Space Spent $112,482,258

Space Available -$2,312,258

tribeofjudah · Post by **tribeofjudah** » Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:10 pm

Good as gone........??? We'll take you back if you play nice with the $.

Citing a source close to the situation, the Washington Post considers it "highly likely" that the Redskins will release DeAngelo Hall.
ESPN's Adam Schefter first mentioned Hall as a release candidate Thursday, but the Redskins were expected to make a "take it or leave it" pay-cut offer. It appears they won't go that route, instead outright cutting the 10-year veteran. The Skins are currently $3 million over the cap, and releasing Hall would clear $8 million. Hall has been routinely torched in coverage in D.C.

mastdark81 · Post by **mastdark81** » Sat Mar 09, 2013 4:13 am

Hall could able to get 4-6 mil per year if cut.

Would be better to hold off and try to restructure instead of cutting him at the beginning of free agency...that would increase our leverage of resigning him at a lower price. I think if they cut him at the start of free agency it is an indication that then hes gone for good and they never had him in their plans.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Sat Mar 09, 2013 10:25 am

mastdark81 wrote:Would be better to hold off and try to restructure instead of cutting him at the beginning of free agency...that would increase our leverage of resigning him at a lower price. I think if they cut him at the start of free agency it is an indication that then hes gone for good and they never had him in their plans.

Honestly I think that's the case. When you look at the turnover Shanahan has overseen and the kind of players he has let go, Hall sticks out a bit as someone you'd expect would have been gone by now. I think we just weren't able to acquire the right talent to replace him, which is why he's managed to stay on the team this long. We're still anemic in our secondary, but we've also run out of time to simply make do with Hall.

It'll be interesting to see what we can do with the draft an free agency, but I suspect we are going to struggle with this unit next year.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sat Mar 09, 2013 11:05 am

Irn-Bru wrote: .... When you look at the turnover Shanahan has overseen and the kind of players he has let go, Hall sticks out a bit as someone you'd expect would have been gone by now. I think we just weren't able to acquire the right talent to replace him, which is why he's managed to stay on the team this long. We're still anemic in our secondary, but we've also run out of time to simply make do with Hall.

It'll be interesting to see what we can do with the draft an free agency, but I suspect we are going to struggle with this unit next year.

I think Hall will be let go but I would not be surprised to see him get another shot here at a reduced salary

I do not agree that the secondary was anemic - not good but the pass defense faults IMO are not that difficult to address
we need Haslett to come up with ways to get pressure on the QB from his base defense
we need to get better play from the players we have up front AND in the secondary
we DO NEED to add some defensive players but overall the defensive scheme needs the biggest improvement - NOT the players per se

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Sat Mar 09, 2013 11:32 am

I do agree that we need a better secondary and that we need to add some players defensively ..

I just don't think that all of our pass defense issues are due to the players we had in the secondary

IMO a big part of the problem was the amount of time the QBs had to complete passes
No secondary can hold up if the QB is under no pressure to throw the ball

we're getting some players back from injury
we need to find a way to get better play from the players we have
if the issue of getting better play from the front 7 involves getting better players then so be it
likewise with the secondary - if we cannot get better coverage AND the front 7 are consistently pressuring the QB then we need better players

I'm just saying it's not all on the secondary and ESPECIALLY when the defense is NOT applying pressure like ours was ALL last season

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Sat Mar 09, 2013 1:31 pm

Fans don't see it but Adam Carriker was a HUGE loss for us last year. In 2011 Season, he almost made it to the ProBowl with his number of QB pressures alone. He had top 10 TFL and was just a stout defensive linemen. No one matched him last year and with Orakpo getting hurt, that killed Kerrigan's numbers as well.

HTTRRG3ALMO · Post by **HTTRRG3ALMO** » Sat Mar 09, 2013 6:30 pm

Irn-Bru wrote:
mastdark81 wrote:Would be better to hold off and try to restructure instead of cutting him at the beginning of free agency...that would increase our leverage of resigning him at a lower price. I think if they cut him at the start of free agency it is an indication that then hes gone for good and they never had him in their plans.
Honestly I think that's the case. When you look at the turnover Shanahan has overseen and the kind of players he has let go, Hall sticks out a bit as someone you'd expect would have been gone by now. I think we just weren't able to acquire the right talent to replace him, which is why he's managed to stay on the team this long. We're still anemic in our secondary, but we've also run out of time to simply make do with Hall.

It'll be interesting to see what we can do with the draft an free agency, but I suspect we are going to struggle with this unit next year.

Nah come on buddy can't be that bad. Just think of all the secondary talent saturation in the draft. I think we'll be just fine.

Hall was on and off so I don't really think replacing him will be a terribly difficult thing to do.

Just think of the improvement we saw last year with a bunch of 2nd rate backups. We'll be more than fine brother.

HTTRRG3ALMO · Post by **HTTRRG3ALMO** » Sat Mar 09, 2013 6:39 pm

SkinsJock wrote:I do agree that we need a better secondary and that we need to add some players defensively ..

I just don't think that all of our pass defense issues are due to the players we had in the secondary

IMO a big part of the problem was the amount of time the QBs had to complete passes
No secondary can hold up if the QB is under no pressure to throw the ball

we're getting some players back from injury
we need to find a way to get better play from the players we have
if the issue of getting better play from the front 7 involves getting better players then so be it
likewise with the secondary - if we cannot get better coverage AND the front 7 are consistently pressuring the QB then we need better players

I'm just saying it's not all on the secondary and ESPECIALLY when the defense is NOT applying pressure like ours was ALL last season

Hey man,

Touching on this comment and a similar you responded to me on earlier.

I still don't think the front d-line is the highest priority but you're reasoning is DEFINITELY proved correct when you look at the Skins vs Dallas final game.

As you said, we'll be getting injured players returning so we might see that D-line able to apply more pressure because of line men getting distracted by blitzing LBs.

Right now, my thinking is to "become great at something this year" as opposed to "get good at everything." In other words, I totally agree that pass rush is going to cause QBs to make some screwed up passes that will be nice little gifts for us

However, I personally would rather see some of our injured players return and build a great secondary THIS year and NEXT year, get a couple powerhouse D-linemen and maybe another: 1. great WR and 2. Another great TE or RB

We have a good handful of needs but I think our issues aren't going to be close to solved until 2014.

That said, with a strong secondary & (sorry to keep repeating myself) returning LBs etc, we'll be terrifying in 2013.

If we get lucky and magically address all these needs this year..........

HTTRRG3ALMO · Post by **HTTRRG3ALMO** » Sat Mar 09, 2013 6:54 pm

frankcal20 wrote:Fans don't see it but Adam Carriker was a HUGE loss for us last year. In 2011 Season, he almost made it to the ProBowl with his number of QB pressures alone. He had top 10 TFL and was just a stout defensive linemen. No one matched him last year and with Orakpo getting hurt, that killed Kerrigan's numbers as well.

Is Carriker expected to return this year? A lot of these injury statuses have been very hush hush....then again, when are they not?

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:33 am

frankcal20 wrote:Fans don't see it but Adam Carriker was a HUGE loss for us last year. In 2011 Season, he almost made it to the ProBowl with his number of QB pressures alone. He had top 10 TFL and was just a stout defensive linemen. No one matched him last year and with Orakpo getting hurt, that killed Kerrigan's numbers as well.

I totally agree. He was a bigger loss than Orakpo... The fact that we lost them both in the same game was almost a death-blow. Actually, it was for the defense. It took them weeks to recover, Haz deserves all the credit for it.

emoses14 · Post by **emoses14** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:16 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
frankcal20 wrote:Fans don't see it but Adam Carriker was a HUGE loss for us last year. In 2011 Season, he almost made it to the ProBowl with his number of QB pressures alone. He had top 10 TFL and was just a stout defensive linemen. No one matched him last year and with Orakpo getting hurt, that killed Kerrigan's numbers as well.
I totally agree. He was a bigger loss than Orakpo... The fact that we lost them both in the same game was almost a death-blow. Actually, it was for the defense. It took them weeks to recover, Haz deserves all the credit for it.

Agree with this 100%. The ripple effects of the injuries (including suspensions) suffered on defense from the front line on back should have been devastating. The job that Haz did was unreal. People calling or who called for his firing should be gagging on crow.

I really believe this team is in such better shape than even our record and NFC East Championship last year would tend to suggest.

mastdark81 · Post by **mastdark81** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:41 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
frankcal20 wrote:Fans don't see it but Adam Carriker was a HUGE loss for us last year. In 2011 Season, he almost made it to the ProBowl with his number of QB pressures alone. He had top 10 TFL and was just a stout defensive linemen. No one matched him last year and with Orakpo getting hurt, that killed Kerrigan's numbers as well.
I totally agree. He was a bigger loss than Orakpo... The fact that we lost them both in the same game was almost a death-blow. Actually, it was for the defense. It took them weeks to recover, Haz deserves all the credit for it.

I'm not saying that he wasn't a huge loss for us, but not as much as Orakpo. I disagree with that. Orakpo had more of an impact in my opinion with sacks and pressures. Orakpo does tend to play lackluster in the run, something Carriker does well but our secondary lacked the speed of Orakpo getting to the QB. Carriker simply doesn't have that speed to get there as quick. Infact Kerrigans sack numbers actually increased this year right? So it wasn't like Adam was the Justin Smith of the line.

frankcal20 · Post by **frankcal20** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:18 pm

@MikeJonesWaPo: Redskins have released DeAngelo Hall, source says.

Rich Campbell ‏@Rich_Campbell

Saves Redskins $8M in 2013 cap space. Least surprising name of the day

Let him test the market and see if we can bring back for less or someone better for a lower price.

langleyparkjoe · Post by **langleyparkjoe** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:40 pm

Darth, you made me throw up man.. chill wit the disgusting pics ok bro?

So I heard he was cut.. I had to come and see for myself.. I hope we can re-sign him back cheaper. Not like he's great or anything but I'm not sure we can do better RIGHT NOW.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:49 pm

mastdark81 wrote:I'm not saying that he wasn't a huge loss for us, but not as much as Orakpo. I disagree with that. Orakpo had more of an impact in my opinion with sacks and pressures. Orakpo does tend to play lackluster in the run, something Carriker does well but our secondary lacked the speed of Orakpo getting to the QB. Carriker simply doesn't have that speed to get there as quick. Infact Kerrigans sack numbers actually increased this year right? So it wasn't like Adam was the Justin Smith of the line.

I disagree. I think Rob Jackson had a more impactful season than Orakpo ever has. Sure, Rak is a above average rusher. But he has hands with no thumbs. Jackson was a game-changer and I can't remember one game where Rak changed the outcome of a game.