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Teams should be able to trade cap space

Florio makes a lot of good points with this idea, what do you think?

1niksder wrote:Teams should be able to trade cap space

Florio makes a lot of good points with this idea, what do you think?

Here was an interesting comment. whattayathink about this one, nik?

perryw9202 says:
Feb 14, 2013 3:36 PM
How about being able to trade a player with his cap number and not next year’s salary?

Take for example Suggs from Baltimore. Has a $13M cap number or something like that for 2013. Lets say it’s $6.5M salary and $6.5 prorated bonus. Trade him to Bengals for a player and they would have to take the $13M hit but only outlay $6.5M. Would free up $13M less the salary of the player they received on Ravens side.

As it is now if Suggs were traded or cut they’d not have to pay the $6.5 Salary, but all of the prorated bonus would be immediately on the books as dead money.

Might work

I wonder if hes a lawyer? Set up a system to even the playing field and create parity (or at least try if every team used the cap space) AND THEN create a "loophole to get around it......why have a salary cap then at all? Smart/lucky teams will be good without using all the space and you could still be bad by using ALL of it with poor choices.....They say...."dont fix something that isnt broken".....

If it benefits our team I am for it.

DarthMonk wrote:

1niksder wrote:Teams should be able to trade cap space

Florio makes a lot of good points with this idea, what do you think?

Here was an interesting comment. whattayathink about this one, nik?

perryw9202 says:
Feb 14, 2013 3:36 PM
How about being able to trade a player with his cap number and not next year’s salary?

Take for example Suggs from Baltimore. Has a $13M cap number or something like that for 2013. Lets say it’s $6.5M salary and $6.5 prorated bonus. Trade him to Bengals for a player and they would have to take the $13M hit but only outlay $6.5M. Would free up $13M less the salary of the player they received on Ravens side.

As it is now if Suggs were traded or cut they’d not have to pay the $6.5 Salary, but all of the prorated bonus would be immediately on the books as dead money.

Might work

Doesn't add up....

The Bengals cap hit would be over $15M and they would get the same $11M in his pocket in 2013 that he would be getting from the Ravens

Suggs' salary is $6.4M this year and he has Reporting, Workout and Roster bonuses of $4.6M. The only prorated money left is $4.04M spread out over two years. Why would a team trade for a player in order to pay him $11M for the year and eat another four, plus whatever they would have to give up to get the pro bowler and Super Bowl champ?


On the other hand the Ravens would love to trade him if he were a lesser player with the same cap number. They wouldn't have to pay the Base, or the other bonuses and not have to account for the last two years of the signing bounus they already paid.

I voted NO.

It would be messy and would wind up causing more of a mess than necessary without really improving teams. In short, it would give guys like Vinny Cerrato jobs at figuring out cute ways to totally eff up a team.

1niksder wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:

1niksder wrote:Teams should be able to trade cap space

Florio makes a lot of good points with this idea, what do you think?

Here was an interesting comment. whattayathink about this one, nik?

perryw9202 says:
Feb 14, 2013 3:36 PM
How about being able to trade a player with his cap number and not next year’s salary?

Take for example Suggs from Baltimore. Has a $13M cap number or something like that for 2013. Lets say it’s $6.5M salary and $6.5 prorated bonus. Trade him to Bengals for a player and they would have to take the $13M hit but only outlay $6.5M. Would free up $13M less the salary of the player they received on Ravens side.

As it is now if Suggs were traded or cut they’d not have to pay the $6.5 Salary, but all of the prorated bonus would be immediately on the books as dead money.

Might work

Doesn't add up....

The Bengals cap hit would be over $15M and they would get the same $11M in his pocket in 2013 that he would be getting from the Ravens

Suggs' salary is $6.4M this year and he has Reporting, Workout and Roster bonuses of $4.6M. The only prorated money left is $4.04M spread out over two years. Why would a team trade for a player in order to pay him $11M for the year and eat another four, plus whatever they would have to give up to get the pro bowler and Super Bowl champ?


On the other hand the Ravens would love to trade him if he were a lesser player with the same cap number. They wouldn't have to pay the Base, or the other bonuses and not have to account for the last two years of the signing bounus they already paid.

Well aside from the exact numbers this is what it's all about. One team has cap room to spare so they obtain the player they want in spite of the cost while the other team needs cap space so badly they sacrifice a very good player to clear massive cap space.

BTW - I voted NO.

Instead of allowing teams to trade cap space, they should simply adjust the rules on when money counts against the cap.

Each team should get an trade or release exemption--much like a Franchise Tag. But, instead, on this scenario, the team can trade or release a player and totally remove all of that player's cap number from the books.


For example. A player would normally count $13M against the cap if released. But under this exemption the team could write off his entire cap number resulting in an increase in cap space during that year.

Call it the Write Off Tag/Exemption. You can only tag one player per year with it. And, maybe limit to 3 times every 5 year period so that teams aren't just expunging their rosters to make a massive free agent run.

I voted no.

No.

It's confusing enough but thanks.

I voted NO

but, I WOULD change that vote in a heartbeat if I thought that Mara did not like the idea also ....

Better choice is to end the cap.

The Jets were already trying to do that this year. The owe Sanchez like $8.5M as guaranteed contract this year. They wanted to trade him to the Bucs and then the Bucs could keep him or cut him, but they would have been on the hook for the cap hit.

Allowing teams to trade cap space does the opposite of its intention.

I also prefer having the cap since if it were gone, things would change given the popularity of the game. Ticket prices would go up and I wouldn't be surprised if the owners/NFL starting charging $$$ to watch games on TV.