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If you told me, ‘Hey, some pro athlete offered meaningful advice to a troubled and maligned NFL prospect and also hung out with a bunch of teenaged girls at a Sweet Sixteen pool party in the same weekend,” I’d be like, “Cool, what else did RGIII do on Saturday?”

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This should make TheHogster happy.

The Hogster wrote: He would have gone 1st round at some point without the marijuanna issues. I would take a chance on him. He's a playmaker at CB & Punt Returner. Would allow the fans to rejoice with the release of Brandon Banks. Can play Returner and Gunner on ST while learning CB, or may be ready to play right away. You can never have too many corners. Take him in the 4th if he's around.

The question is... Does this put him on the Skins radar? Do we possibly get him in the 3rd? If people know we're kinda working with him, do they jump to get him? Interesting.

With our situation and our needs, we are the team that should take the chance on Mathieu. He was a Heisman finalist as a Corner and Returner. I'd welcome him with open arms. He could be our best corner since Bailey.

So I'll come back to the main purpose of this post but all I can think about is RG3 and 16 year olds in a pool party. Thank God, well at least so far, so putz didn't make more of this than what it was.

Anyway help me out here guys. I mean I think Honey Badger has some serious pass rush skills but I'm not that impressed with his tackling and often wonder how much he's struggle in the pros (off field issues aside).

Am I just allowing myself to be biased with this kid because I see him as such a risk or is someone else seeing the same thing?

Anyway, with RG3 reaching out to him, I would say that there's probably good reason to believe that the front office is feeling out the situation with him. As if they like the kid, but they're worried about his character.

To contradict myself, I do feel a little more this kid's ability to change his life based on his reaction/adoration of RG3. If RG3 is taking on sort of a role model mentoring role in his life, he may very turn out alright.

Again, I see some strengths in this kid but I've never been too impressed with this take down ability.

If I need to be proven wrong I'm open to the correction.

If he is there in the third or fourth, I would spend league min. on him with his potential upside in a heartbeat

I can see Shanny going after this guy.

oj wrote:I can see Shanny going after this guy.

Starting to look like it from the couple references to him and us lately.

The Hogster wrote:With our situation and our needs, we are the team that should take the chance on Mathieu. He was a Heisman finalist as a Corner and Returner. I'd welcome him with open arms. He could be our best corner since Bailey.

Our best CB? The college guys at work said he'd be a NB at best. They also mentioned how short he is. However, they gushed about his speed, blitzing, vision and tenacity. I don't think he'd address our CB need but he'd def replace Banks at PR.

Our best CB? The college guys at work said he'd be a NB at best. They also mentioned how short he is. However, they gushed about his speed, blitzing, vision and tenacity. I don't think he'd address our CB need but he'd def replace Banks at PR.

+1

Here's the photo. Was tempted to place in Hot Chicks thread as a bit of a joke but thought better of it.



Girl were never forget her 16th birthday, that's for sure.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

The Hogster wrote:With our situation and our needs, we are the team that should take the chance on Mathieu. He was a Heisman finalist as a Corner and Returner. I'd welcome him with open arms. He could be our best corner since Bailey.

Our best CB? The college guys at work said he'd be a NB at best. They also mentioned how short he is. However, they gushed about his speed, blitzing, vision and tenacity. I don't think he'd address our CB need but he'd def replace Banks at PR.

I've heard people have so-so predictions on him at the NFL level, but I think he'll wind up being a star corner who makes plays. Just my opinion.

Some guys can just play football. He's one of them. When you watch him and how he plays, his size is almost an afterthought. He plays like a 6 ft 200lb corner who can run like a cat. And, his tackling is probably one of his strengths.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gplm7S8YP7U

What are the odds of us picking up Honey Badger, Ray Ray, and Rambo?

HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:What are the odds of us picking up Honey Badger, Ray Ray, and Rambo?

yupchagee wrote:

HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:What are the odds of us picking up Honey Badger, Ray Ray, and Rambo?

I love this game, alright...

So if this happens, we're going to go out drinking, fart on someone, scream obscenities through the streets of DC, moon family tourists, then throw up in someone's front yard?

Well...we know how to party.

Wow that is some news alright.
In my eyes RG3 can accomplish anything. If he believes in Mathieau so do I. I was already leaning towards taking a chance on him anyway.

I'd rather draft Honey Badger now--a guy who has already felt what it's like to mess up and lose it all--than a guy with character issues who has always gotten away with everything.

One guy has the experience to do better, while the other guy has a false sense of invincibility.

We are the kind of team that should make this pick.

DarthMonk wrote:Here's the photo. Was tempted to place in Hot Chicks thread as a bit of a joke but thought better of it.



Girl were never forget her 16th birthday, that's for sure.

You chose. . . wisely

I think it's the towel that makes it creepy. LOL. Like, if he was just in trunks, the creep factor would be a lot lower. Thankfully he has a shirt on. LMAOO

The Hogster wrote:I'd rather draft Honey Badger now--a guy who has already felt what it's like to mess up and lose it all--than a guy with character issues who has always gotten away with everything.

One guy has the experience to do better, while the other guy has a false sense of invincibility.

We are the kind of team that should make this pick.

I like Tyrann a lot. I'm a decent LSU fan (parents' alma matter) and have watched a lot of his games.

There is no doubt that Tyrann has got Football Smarts, instinct, nose for the ball, whatever you want to call it that can not be taught and he clearly has a knack for coming up with the plays that know how leads to at absolutely perfect times.

HOWEVER, Tyrann's biggest short coming isn't his height, it's that he is constantly out of position on the most routine of plays, namely covering his man on the outside (e.g. last year's NC game, the arkansas and Georgia (SEC Championship) game in 2011). He is a bit like Hall in that he is just as likely to intercept a ball as he is to be completely out of position and get burned. Contrast that with say a Carlos Rogers who is unlikely to get an interception but very unlikely to be caught out of position and get burned. He, like all corners mind you, is a risk tolerance pick. Like both men I just mentioned he will hit, hard, too. He was protected, (i) A LOT by LSU's front seven, hell just the pressure the front 4 could produce (just look at the draft positions of the players (last year and this year) that he's played behind- Michael Brockers DT (14th), Barkevious Mingo DE (absolute beast), Sam Montgomery DE (Beast) and Bennie Logan DT); (ii) Eric Reid (should be 1st round this year) and Brandon Taylor (73rd), the safeties who played behind him and (iii) Morris Claiborne, the corner on the other side of the field. Its not a slam dunk that he'll be a good cover corner.

I love his attitude on a football field, I agree with you that he should be in a position to have learned his lesson and already begun maturing/growing from it and I'm not overly bothered that a 19-20 year old kid did what he did and paid the price he did. I wouldn't spend more than a 4th or 5th on him, but not before I took a corner and/or safety before him that we LOVE with our 2nd and 3rd pick. His deficiencies can probably be taught/corrected. His natural talents are worth it.

Depending on his combine results (measurables and interviews), maybe, maybe we take him with our 3rd and hope that gamble (and it would be) pays off.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I think it's the towel that makes it creepy. LOL. Like, if he was just in trunks, the creep factor would be a lot lower. Thankfully he has a shirt on. LMAOO

Yeah, I think he gets a lot of leeway with this picture because its Robert Griffin. If this were a lot of other players, i think this picture would be a problem.

emoses14 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I think it's the towel that makes it creepy. LOL. Like, if he was just in trunks, the creep factor would be a lot lower. Thankfully he has a shirt on. LMAOO

Yeah, I think he gets a lot of leeway with this picture because its Robert Griffin. If this were a lot of other players, i think this picture would be a problem.

No, I dont think it'd be a problem. He's taking a picture with some kids at a pool. People unnecesarily make it creepy. Again... It's a picture. At a facility/swimming pool. People are just so overly PC and needlessly sensitive. Heck, the parents were off to the side. No leeway is needed.

emoses14 wrote:

The Hogster wrote:I'd rather draft Honey Badger now--a guy who has already felt what it's like to mess up and lose it all--than a guy with character issues who has always gotten away with everything.

One guy has the experience to do better, while the other guy has a false sense of invincibility.

We are the kind of team that should make this pick.

I like Tyrann a lot. I'm a decent LSU fan (parents' alma matter) and have watched a lot of his games.

There is no doubt that Tyrann has got Football Smarts, instinct, nose for the ball, whatever you want to call it that can not be taught and he clearly has a knack for coming up with the plays that know how leads to at absolutely perfect times.

HOWEVER, Tyrann's biggest short coming isn't his height, it's that he is constantly out of position on the most routine of plays, namely covering his man on the outside (e.g. last year's NC game, the arkansas and Georgia (SEC Championship) game in 2011). He is a bit like Hall in that he is just as likely to intercept a ball as he is to be completely out of position and get burned. Contrast that with say a Carlos Rogers who is unlikely to get an interception but very unlikely to be caught out of position and get burned. He, like all corners mind you, is a risk tolerance pick. Like both men I just mentioned he will hit, hard, too. He was protected, (i) A LOT by LSU's front seven, hell just the pressure the front 4 could produce (just look at the draft positions of the players (last year and this year) that he's played behind- Michael Brockers DT (14th), Barkevious Mingo DE (absolute beast), Sam Montgomery DE (Beast) and Bennie Logan DT); (ii) Eric Reid (should be 1st round this year) and Brandon Taylor (73rd), the safeties who played behind him and (iii) Morris Claiborne, the corner on the other side of the field. Its not a slam dunk that he'll be a good cover corner.

I love his attitude on a football field, I agree with you that he should be in a position to have learned his lesson and already begun maturing/growing from it and I'm not overly bothered that a 19-20 year old kid did what he did and paid the price he did. I wouldn't spend more than a 4th or 5th on him, but not before I took a corner and/or safety before him that we LOVE with our 2nd and 3rd pick. His deficiencies can probably be taught/corrected. His natural talents are worth it.

Depending on his combine results (measurables and interviews), maybe, maybe we take him with our 3rd and hope that gamble (and it would be) pays off.

+1

He'll instantly be a premier return man. I think he has that ability to start off as a Nickle corner who can blitz & cover and develop into a star corner.

emoses14 wrote:He was protected, (i) A LOT by LSU's front seven

This is what worries me about having him on this team. We aren't a pass-rush powerhouse like the Giants. We're one injury away from being crippled in that department. I'm not saying to not draft him on the potential of injury elsewhere on defense. But, he will be targeted with a pass rush. And potentially become a liability without a pass rush. He's an interesting player.

CLL your insight is always appreciated bro.



Now where is my boy Franko at?

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

emoses14 wrote:He was protected, (i) A LOT by LSU's front seven

This is what worries me about having him on this team. We aren't a pass-rush powerhouse like the Giants. We're one injury away from being crippled in that department. I'm not saying to not draft him on the potential of injury elsewhere on defense. But, he will be targeted with a pass rush. And potentially become a liability without a pass rush. He's an interesting player.

This is also my chief rocker concern about him. That D line is/was amazing at LSU. They literally single handedly won/wiin 25-35% of that teams' games.

Its funny, the same things about Hall that make me nervous as a corner, but very secure as a safety, apply to Tyrann. I think he'd be a good free safety, perhaps better than a corner.

The plays he makes on the ball have very little to do with pass rush. His returns, caused fumbles are all him. Maybe some of his blitzes don't get there if teams didn't have to focus on the D Line, but let's be real here. This guy makes plays.

The most legitimate criticism of him is his footwork. The scouts who contribute to real evaluations think that he gets by on pure athletcism and instincts in college, but that he'll need to work on his feet if he wants to matchup against NFL wide receivers. That's something that will take coaching and time.

There are a lot of NFL corners who have great technique, but lack the intangible quickness, instinct, anticipation, and playmaking ability that Tyran Mathieu has. As Darrell Green said in an interview--our own Josh Wilson is a corner who is technically sound but lacks the intangibles that a guy like Mathieu has. Both types of players are valuable in the league. And, if Mathieu can sharpen his technique, he will be among the best at his position. There aren't guys that have it all like Revis and Bailey. But, there are far fewer guys with the uncoachable skills that guys like Mathieu has.