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As if there wasn't enough drama in DC, now the Mayor wants to stir things up a little bit more. I know there was a thread about this in the past (but are you shocked that I can't find it...?)

Anywho....can someone tell the Mayor to keep his NOSE out of the NFL...???

The Washington Redskins could be on the verge of being pressured to change their name.

NFL.com's Gregg Rosenthal reports that "Washington D.C. mayor Vincent C. Gray suggested Wednesday that he'd like to discuss a possible name change with the Washington Redskins franchise."

The mayor's stance is not surprising. After all, the team name is terribly politically incorrect, and politics are always front and center in the nation's capital. This is a favorable position for the mayor to take as he tries to make his voting base happy, and the negative backlash is minimal.

As it is now, the Redskins don't even play in the District of Columbia, but their home, FedEx Field, is outdated and this historic franchise could use a new stadium.

To that end, there have been discussions to build them a new stadium in D.C.; that process will be a lot easier on the Redskins' end if the mayor is on board with the process, and that means the Redskins would be wise to heed the mayor's wishes.

This won't be an easy decision for the Redskins, and owner Daniel Snyder hasn't been the type to cave in to the demands of others.

Since 1932, the franchise has been building tremendous value in its brand under the Redskins name.

However, there is reason to believe that the pressure to change their name will only increase and it will likely come to a point where maintaining the name becomes bad business for the organization.

While there will be a period of disconnect while they work under a new name, at some point, this switch will need to be made. They might as well do that now and get it over with.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1478 ... s-nickname

........there's even a school on a reservation that has the name "Redskins" in it. 90% of native Americans aren't offended by it. Its a name of praise for a football team. The "Browns" better be getting just as much heat from all this.

Lastly, we will riot it they f#@! with our name. Good luck in the election

Oh, so the mayor is an idiot. Good to know, I guess.

Keep the name..its who we are and
What we are about...Tradition.

Not if you don't do anything about it

MORE BS is all

The HEAT is ON........ who will fold and give in..???

Irn-Bru wrote:Oh, so the mayor is an idiot. Good to know, I guess.

It's DC... so, idiocy is a basic requirement.

HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:........there's even a school on a reservation that has the name "Redskins" in it. 90% of native Americans aren't offended by it. Its a name of praise for a football team. The "Browns" better be getting just as much heat from all this.

Lastly, we will riot it they f#@! with our name. Good luck in the election

dude, the browns were named after their owner, Paul Brown, not brown people.

One of the things I have always liked about Snyder is that he has made it clear he intends to keep the team named The Redskins

Change it, I don't care. We just went through all of this up here at UND with the Fighting Sioux, and we survived.

Countertrey wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:Oh, so the mayor is an idiot. Good to know, I guess.

It's DC... so, idiocy is a basic requirement.

DC is one of the best cities in America. I suspect you're talking about politics. But, I'll just add that not one person in Congress is from DC. They just work here.

As for the mayor, he sucks and is an idiot. Keep the name. It's just that. A name....a brand. HAIL TO THE REDSKINS

Being from Chicago, I would truly not be interested in continuing my loyalty to this team under another name. It wouldn't make any sense. I have a deep rooted passion for the name and without living near the city, not sure I would have any reason to continue to follow it having to start all over. Maybe I would still follow them, but my gut says I wouldn't.

cleg wrote:

HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:........there's even a school on a reservation that has the name "Redskins" in it. 90% of native Americans aren't offended by it. Its a name of praise for a football team. The "Browns" better be getting just as much heat from all this.

Lastly, we will riot it they f#@! with our name. Good luck in the election

dude, the browns were named after their owner, Paul Brown, not brown people.

Very well. We'll just say the Redskins is in relation to the redish-brown skin of the football and the logo is in honor of the native americans. All things in explanation...no one can refute.

Two things crack me up about this:

1. DC has MAJOR issues. I've lived here for 31 years. You're telling me that out of all the things our mayor could have gone public with; of all the issues he could have addressed, he decided that THIS held the most importance and urgency?

Where was he last year when we were losing?

2. I don't recall anyone using the name "redskin" to talk down to a native american. This isn't the 1800's. Perhaps some folks use that phrase, but its not a recognized racial slur...its recognized as the name of a football team without much thought of native americans at all.

Over 90% of native americans have no issue with the name.

Now for the finale: Our forefathers went to war with native americans over land and pushed them back further and further into reservations. Somehow this name change is our way of saying "our bad"? Get a f#@!king life and knit pick over an issue that matters today.

There's really way too many children out there masquerading as adults. The smallest percentage of the population gets offended over an insignificant issue and the majority has to suffer?

One day we are all going to wake up with every last freedom gone at the rate we are going. All in the spirit of fear of offending someone.

Mayor if you want to be in the papers and pretend like you're doing something good for DC, DO SOMETHING THAT BETTERS THE LIVES OF PEOPLE IN DC.

cleg wrote:

HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:........there's even a school on a reservation that has the name "Redskins" in it. 90% of native Americans aren't offended by it. Its a name of praise for a football team. The "Browns" better be getting just as much heat from all this.

Lastly, we will riot it they f#@! with our name. Good luck in the election

dude, the browns were named after their owner, Paul Brown, not brown people.

LOL I thought it was a nickname for dogs.

I motion that we add one more option to the poll: "Rescind Home Rule for D.C."

I voted No that it will never change.

Do I have a problem with the name, no I personally don't.
Do some other people, sure and it's understandable.

If the DC mayor doesn't want the "Redskins" to be in DC because of the name, OH WEEEEELLLL.. DC Area MD is here and DC Area VA is here.



If they do change it though, I 100% want Warriors. I mean, changing it to Warriors during the "No-QB" years would've been the dumbest thing to do but now that we have a playoff team it would make sense.

LOL@No-QB years.. ya'll realize how long that is???

Where's Marion Barry when you need him?

I'll come down to $$$$. The REDSKINS franchise is one of the most expensive in sports worldwide. Changing the name and getting the new one back to what the REDSKINS brand name is today will take million$$$. Don't see that happening.

HaiL

cleg wrote:

HTTRRG3ALMO wrote:........there's even a school on a reservation that has the name "Redskins" in it. 90% of native Americans aren't offended by it. Its a name of praise for a football team. The "Browns" better be getting just as much heat from all this.

Lastly, we will riot it they f#@! with our name. Good luck in the election

dude, the browns were named after their owner, Paul Brown, not brown people.

That is true but in todays world, it means nothing. Only the connotations of the name mean anything. And oh yea, there are those who are looking to see their names in the paper that will start anything. Wanna Be's

"Courtney Tucker" a contributor on Bleacher Report posted this comment I thought was great. Hope its ok to quote someone else's work on here:

"I understand today’s sensitivity, but historical context is needed. The term "redskins" was descriptive, not racist in nature. Native American skin is not red at all, but may be perceived to be darker than "white" skin or lighter than "black" skin, that is, brown or tanned. The Eastern woodland Native Americans of the 1740-1790 era often used the color red to project strength, bravery or value. Warriors would paint their faces and chests red before battle to indicate and reinforce their courage. They would even paint captives red to show their value, whether they were "white" captives or from other tribes. British colonists referred to attacking warriors as "redskins" not as an insult, but because that is what they saw coming at them during a battle. Instead of the “redcoats are coming,” the alarm was the “redskins are coming.” I believe the origins of the team name as adopted in Boston explained that the desire of the team was to honor Native Americans by reflecting their strength, resolve and courage in the team’s football players. The name was intended to be flattering, not insulting. It is not racist. Intent is important. The team must take care not to use feathers or headdresses that have religious or ceremonial implications for Native Americans as other teams have done. I see no reason why the name cannot continue to be used, carefully and respectfully. If it must be changed, I suggest a George Washington era related name like Minutemen or Colonials, if others who may have those names trademarked agree. We would have to rewrite some of the fight song, however."

Obviously there are no more problems or issues with the management and government of DC including all of its public services for a Major to shift his attention from those IMPORTANT issues to ... the name of an NFL franchise???!!!

Having said that ... I wold like to keep the name for many reasons, including the fact that the name is NOT racist as some imply and also due to respect for tradition. HOWEVER, may I remind all of us that our names was BRAVES many years ago?

I would not be upset if we went back to become the Washington Braves with the same logo.

Redskin in Canada wrote:Obviously there are no more problems or issues with the management and government of DC including all of its public services for a Major to shift his attention from those IMPORTANT issues to ... the name of an NFL franchise???!!!

Having said that ... I wold like to keep the name for many reasons, including the fact that the name is NOT racist as some imply and also due to respect for tradition. HOWEVER, may I remind all of us that our names was BRAVES many years ago?

I would not be upset if we went back to become the Washington Braves with the same logo.

Washington Warriors or Washington Hogs isn't bad either. We were the Boston Braves back then. The "double b" had a nice ring. Hogs is pretty cool...its already widely associated with the Redskins.

But then obese people are going to flip out lol.

Trying not to offend anyone IS NOT POSSIBLE.

Again, I'll keep deferring to Courtney Tucker's comment on Bleacher Report. She is the only one who gave a truly historical context of the name; red warrior face paint...not skin tone. THEIR SKIN ISN'T EVEN RED!! WTF???

Redskin in Canada wrote:Obviously there are no more problems or issues with the management and government of DC including all of its public services for a Major to shift his attention from those IMPORTANT issues to ... the name of an NFL franchise???!!!

Having said that ... I wold like to keep the name for many reasons, including the fact that the name is NOT racist as some imply and also due to respect for tradition. HOWEVER, may I remind all of us that our names was BRAVES many years ago?

I would not be upset if we went back to become the Washington Braves with the same logo.

Washington Braves wouldn't be the end of the world, especially since all real Redskins fans would go on using Skins and Redskins as a nickname.

But I like most see this movement to change the name as insulting, a complete waste of time, and shameless self-righteous/self-promotion on the part of the people doing the grandstanding. They should take care of the disorder in their own lives instead of preaching on a subject where they are ignorant.

Irn-Bru wrote:

Redskin in Canada wrote:Obviously there are no more problems or issues with the management and government of DC including all of its public services for a Major to shift his attention from those IMPORTANT issues to ... the name of an NFL franchise???!!!

Having said that ... I wold like to keep the name for many reasons, including the fact that the name is NOT racist as some imply and also due to respect for tradition. HOWEVER, may I remind all of us that our names was BRAVES many years ago?

I would not be upset if we went back to become the Washington Braves with the same logo.

Washington Braves wouldn't be the end of the world, especially since all real Redskins fans would go on using Skins and Redskins as a nickname.

But I like most see this movement to change the name as insulting, a complete waste of time, and shameless self-righteous/self-promotion on the part of the people doing the grandstanding. They should take care of the disorder in their own lives instead of preaching on a subject where they are ignorant.

Dear Friend,

I nominate you for the next DC Mayor...perhaps President.

Irn-Bru wrote:

Redskin in Canada wrote:Obviously there are no more problems or issues with the management and government of DC including all of its public services for a Major to shift his attention from those IMPORTANT issues to ... the name of an NFL franchise???!!!

Having said that ... I wold like to keep the name for many reasons, including the fact that the name is NOT racist as some imply and also due to respect for tradition. HOWEVER, may I remind all of us that our names was BRAVES many years ago?

I would not be upset if we went back to become the Washington Braves with the same logo.

Washington Braves wouldn't be the end of the world, especially since all real Redskins fans would go on using Skins and Redskins as a nickname.

But I like most see this movement to change the name as insulting, a complete waste of time, and shameless self-righteous/self-promotion on the part of the people doing the grandstanding. They should take care of the disorder in their own lives instead of preaching on a subject where they are ignorant.

What would happen to the fight song though.

Not to be insensitive, but this debate reminds me of those GEICO commercials where they say "So easy a Caveman could do it." And, a "Caveman" gets offended.

When has anyone met a real Native American who is offended by this? If anything, it makes the name endearing when you have millions of Americans calling themselves a part of Redskin nation.

BTW - how do we know that Redskin refers to race? From what I understand the Redskins were first the Boston Braves, who played at Braves Stadium. They moved to play in the Red Sox stadium in Boston, and then changed their name to the Boston Redskins. Where do we get this idea that the word "Red" didn't come from Red Sox, rather than the skin color of a Native American??

I can't stand fake controversies. It's not meant to be offensive. People consider native americans as a sign of 'bravery' and 'tribal brotherhood'.....you don't hear fat people complaining about the NY Giants.