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This is ANOTHER diamond in the rough that we groomed. Now he's turning out to be a Force to be reckoned with ....

It's his last season on contract and I say: sign him up and pay the man...!!!!

Jackson entered this season in the final year of his contract, hoping to earn more of a regular role. At times during training camp, Haslett called plays that included Orakpo, left outside linebacker Ryan Kerrigan and Jackson on the field at the same time. Then, Jackson received his biggest opportunity of his career with Orakpo lost in Week 2.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/re ... s_redskins

I agree we need to re-sign Rob for sure.

He's come along a great deal.

Definitely stepped up in Rak's absence.

burgngold4life wrote:I agree we need to re-sign Rob for sure.

He's come along a great deal.

Definitely stepped up in Rak's absence.

I don't think we will be able to pay him with the Mara cap hit. Jackson is going to ear a really big pay check from someone.

Personally I think he is a better overall OLB than Orakpo. Orakpo is a better pass rusher, but Jackson is better at everything else.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

burgngold4life wrote:I agree we need to re-sign Rob for sure.

He's come along a great deal.

Definitely stepped up in Rak's absence.

I don't think we will be able to pay him with the Mara cap hit. Jackson is going to ear a really big pay check from someone.

Personally I think he is a better overall OLB than Orakpo. Orakpo is a better pass rusher, but Jackson is better at everything else.

No way in hell Orakpo makes that INT that Rob had to save the Dallas game!

skinsfan#33 wrote:

burgngold4life wrote:I agree we need to re-sign Rob for sure.

He's come along a great deal.

Definitely stepped up in Rak's absence.

I don't think we will be able to pay him with the Mara cap hit. Jackson is going to ear a really big pay check from someone.

I would guess you're right that we probably wouldn't pay ridiculous money for Rob Jackson if he got some crazy offers elsewhere. Barring that situation though, I think we can free up enough cap space to hold on to a guy like Jackson. There are a couple big contracts that can be restructured this year (Trent Williams). D. Hall is also a huge chunk of money that is going to have to be dealt with one way or another.

And I hate to bring this up, but London Fletcher is a couple million $$s too. What do you do if its a choice between him and Rob Jackson? That could be a tough call.

Rob Jackson has played really well for us this year. It is unreal considering what he was just a couple years ago.

Had he not made that INT this past Sunday, I'm not sure we'd be in the playoffs. We need to get him back --- the contract price and PT will be tricky. Rob may look elsewhere seeing that he won't be a starter here next season. If he is okay with his reserve role, he should be a top priority. BUT, if I were Jackson, I would sit down with our FO and see what their plans would be. If it wasn't a starter, I would see what teams would sign me (and pay) as a starter.

riggofan wrote:And I hate to bring this up, but London Fletcher is a couple million $$s too. What do you do if its a choice between him and Rob Jackson? That could be a tough call.

Not tough at all. London stays if he does not decide to retire. No question about it.

Some contracts will be restructured. Count on it.

Redskin in Canada wrote:

riggofan wrote:And I hate to bring this up, but London Fletcher is a couple million $$s too. What do you do if its a choice between him and Rob Jackson? That could be a tough call.

Not tough at all. London stays if he does not decide to retire. No question about it.

Some contracts will be restructured. Count on it.

I think you're right about the contracts being restructured. And I'm sure others can comment on this, but my take on the salary cap is that we'll be in OK shape, just not a ton of space to go on any wild spending sprees.

Not sure I agree that it would be "no question" that you hold on to your 37 year old LB if it meant losing your 27 year old LB though.

http://www.csnwashington.com/football-w ... ualty-2013

London Fletcher - It's hard to fathom the Redskins cutting the captain loose but, as they say, it's a business. His 2013 salary is a whopping $5.5 million and, clearly, his productivity is in decline. The Redskins could decide to move on from Fletcher, who will be 38 before next season starts, and make Keenan Robinson the starter. There would be $1.75 million of dead cap if they released him before June 1, leaving net cap savings of $3.75 million.

I was thinking about this team PF (post Fletcher). He is certainly no spring chicken and has been playing hurt quite a bit this year. Now don't get me wrong, I absolutely love having him out there. He's by far our field general on defense and still goes all out week after week injured or not. Whether it's pregame pep talks, audibles, or completely taking over play calling on hurry ups and 2 minute drills. Fletcher is the heart and soul of our D.

That being said, if we run the table, I could see him considering retiring. Regardless, I think his current contract is his last.

My question is, with our current LB corp. who goes where? With Kerrigan, Orakpo (once he's back), Rob Jackson, Perry Riley, Lorenzo Alexander, Bryan Kehl, Roderick Muckelroy, Keenan Robinson, and Chris Wilson what would be your depth chart at LB? What about moving Jackson to the middle since he's better in pass coverage?

LOLB - Orakpo, Jackson
MLB - Alexander, Riley, Robinson, Wilson, Muckelroy
ROLB - Kerrigan, Kehl

I'd also love to see the team bring in Fletcher as a coach once he decides to hang up the cleats.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

burgngold4life wrote:I agree we need to re-sign Rob for sure.

He's come along a great deal.

Definitely stepped up in Rak's absence.

I don't think we will be able to pay him with the Mara cap hit. Jackson is going to ear a really big pay check from someone.

Personally I think he is a better overall OLB than Orakpo. Orakpo is a better pass rusher, but Jackson is better at everything else.

Until Orakpo's injury, it was reported that Haslett intended to use a sets with all three OLB's on the field. Jackson has improved tremendously, enough that losing Orakpo was not the disaster that we anticipated. I think they will find a way to keep him...

riggofan wrote:And I hate to bring this up, but London Fletcher is a couple million $$s too. What do you do if its a choice between him and Rob Jackson? That could be a tough call.

A call we wouldn't have to make. They play different positions.

London Fletcher - It's hard to fathom the Redskins cutting the captain loose but, as they say, it's a business. His 2013 salary is a whopping $5.5 million and, clearly, his productivity is in decline. The Redskins could decide to move on from Fletcher, who will be 38 before next season starts, and make Keenan Robinson the starter. There would be $1.75 million of dead cap if they released him before June 1, leaving net cap savings of $3.75 million.

Thi season: 139 tackles, 3 sacks, 4 int's & 11 PD's. Everyone should be in such decline!

LOLB - Orakpo, Jackson
MLB - Alexander, Riley, Robinson, Wilson, Muckelroy
ROLB - Kerrigan, Kehl

Wilson plays OLB. I think Kehl plays inside.

yupchagee wrote:

London Fletcher - It's hard to fathom the Redskins cutting the captain loose but, as they say, it's a business. His 2013 salary is a whopping $5.5 million and, clearly, his productivity is in decline. The Redskins could decide to move on from Fletcher, who will be 38 before next season starts, and make Keenan Robinson the starter. There would be $1.75 million of dead cap if they released him before June 1, leaving net cap savings of $3.75 million.

Thi season: 139 tackles, 3 sacks, 4 int's & 11 PD's. Everyone should be in such decline!

LOLB - Orakpo, Jackson
MLB - Alexander, Riley, Robinson, Wilson, Muckelroy
ROLB - Kerrigan, Kehl

Wilson plays OLB. I think Kehl plays inside.

London had five picks, not four. Three of them game over the last four games. In fact I feel he played better as the season went along, even with him dealing with a bad ankle.

I think he wil and should be back next season.

Deadskins wrote:

riggofan wrote:And I hate to bring this up, but London Fletcher is a couple million $$s too. What do you do if its a choice between him and Rob Jackson? That could be a tough call.

A call we wouldn't have to make. They play different positions.

You're not serious, are you? Good grief.

I'm talking about the cap space issue. Not keeping Rob Jackson to play Fletcher's position. If it came down to money, and you can only afford to keep one of them, which one would you keep.

Jackson is a good player. He looks like he could play Inside LB as well. He does everything well, but is especially good in coverage. He's not the greatest pass rusher, but he's effective. Definitely re-sign him.

riggofan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

riggofan wrote:And I hate to bring this up, but London Fletcher is a couple million $$s too. What do you do if its a choice between him and Rob Jackson? That could be a tough call.

A call we wouldn't have to make. They play different positions.

You're not serious, are you? Good grief.

I'm talking about the cap space issue. Not keeping Rob Jackson to play Fletcher's position. If it came down to money, and you can only afford to keep one of them, which one would you keep.

You don't understand my issue with that? Since they play different positions, it wouldn't come down to those two. You may as well have said Josh LeRibeus and Fletcher. You would keep both, and get rid of another player further down the depth chart at a position where we have an excess.

Deadskins wrote:

riggofan wrote:

Deadskins wrote: A call we wouldn't have to make. They play different positions.

You're not serious, are you? Good grief.

I'm talking about the cap space issue. Not keeping Rob Jackson to play Fletcher's position. If it came down to money, and you can only afford to keep one of them, which one would you keep.

You don't understand my issue with that? Since they play different positions, it wouldn't come down to those two. You may as well have said Josh LeRibeus and Fletcher. You would keep both, and get rid of another player further down the depth chart at a position where we have an excess.

Its just a hypothetical - I didn't ask how realistic it was. I asked what if you had to make a choice between these two players. If you don't want to consider the possibility however remote, then don't. You're being argumentative about nothing.

riggofan wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

riggofan wrote: You're not serious, are you? Good grief.

I'm talking about the cap space issue. Not keeping Rob Jackson to play Fletcher's position. If it came down to money, and you can only afford to keep one of them, which one would you keep.

You don't understand my issue with that? Since they play different positions, it wouldn't come down to those two. You may as well have said Josh LeRibeus and Fletcher. You would keep both, and get rid of another player further down the depth chart at a position where we have an excess.

Its just a hypothetical - I didn't ask how realistic it was. I asked what if you had to make a choice between these two players. If you don't want to consider the possibility however remote, then don't. You're being argumentative about nothing.

Purely hypothetically I would keep Jackson, and try and get London to retire, but your original proposition didn't seem so hypothetical. Seems like you were putting it out there as a distinct possibility. Like I said, you find someone further down the depth chart to cut, or renegotiate contracts so you could keep both.