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Mike Shanahan told it to everyone who would listen after he became the Washington Redskins‘ coach in January 2010. Returning the franchise to respectability would not happen overnight, he said. Those words have appeared in every local newspaper and on every local airwave many times since.
And while Shanahan avoided using the word “rebuilding,” the obvious age and lack of talent on the Redskins roster crystallized the magnitude of Shanahan’s task. It required more than just some fresh paint and pretty pictures to hang on the wall. No, Shanahan needed a bulldozer and sledgehammer for a full-scale demolition and remodeling.
Fast-forward 34 months, though, and the project remains far from complete. The Redskins reached their bye this week with a record of 3-6, the same mark as this point last season. Shanahan used “overnight” as a figure of speech, but with a 14-27 record as Redskins coach and another December of irrelevance ahead, it’s fair to wonder when the sun is supposed to come up.
“We started over again — offense, defense,” Shanahan said. “We’ve tried to do it through the draft and free agency, get a lot younger, get the right players, and I see some tremendous strides. Hopefully, it’s not only me. Hopefully, it’s Dan, as well.”

Shanahan, of course, referred to Redskins owner Daniel Snyder. It was an unusual occurrence Monday, but these are dire times. Shanahan’s vision for this season has not become reality, and, as the one who has assembled the roster, any scrutiny ascends the organizational hierarchy to Shanahan’s perch.

He drafted Heisman Trophy-winning quarterback Robert Griffin III in April, trading three first round draft picks and a second-rounder to do so. He expected to add Griffin to an offense retooled in the offseason with young playmakers and a defense he believed was capable of finishing among the top five in the NFL a year after he overhauled it.
A mix of injuries and underachievement on defense, though, has outweighed — at least in the standings — Griffin’s promising rookie season. Instead of a strong defense helping a struggling rookie quarterback, the reverse has been true. The Redskins‘ offense ranks fifth in the NFL in yards per play, while the defense ranks 29th.
Shanahan attributes the defensive breakdowns to injuries.
“It’s not what we were a year ago,” he said. “But these guys are gaining some experience. I think we’ve got a chance to get a couple guys back, and some of the other guys that have been playing, I think are getting better. So it gives you a chance.”
The Redskins lost two-time Pro Bowl outside linebacker Brian Orakpo (torn pectoral muscle) and starting left defensive end Adam Carriker (torn quadriceps tendon) for the season in Week 2. First-string strong safety Brandon Meriweather, who signed as a free agent in March, has not played because he sprained his left knee in the second preseason game and then reinjured it during a freak pregame collision in Week 4.
Amid the injuries, other front-line defensive players, ones Shanahan acquired, are not performing at the level they did in 2011.
Outside linebacker Ryan Kerrigan has only one sack in the past five games, and that was of a Pittsburgh Steelers receiver attempting to throw on a trick play.

DarthMonk wrote:How young are we?

How many starters (or guys who project to play a LOT) are 27 or younger?

I count about 22:

Forbath
Garcon
Gettis
Griffin III
Hankerson
Jenkins
Kerrigan
LeRibeus
Lichtensteiger
Morgan
Morris
Paul
Paulsen
Polumbus
Riley
Robinsin, A
Robinson, K
Royster
Williams, K
Williams, T
Wison, J
Young

I may have missed 1 or 2 or included 1 or 2 I shouldn't have but this is more than I thought. I think what these guys do in the next season and a half will tell the tale. If most of them pan out, Shanny will have succeeded. If half of them don't we are likely to wallow.

DarthMonk

DaSkinz Baby wrote:Example the Colts look at them last year versus this year.

Deadskins wrote:

DaSkinz Baby wrote:Example the Colts look at them last year versus this year.

Please! The Colts situation has already been discussed. Last year was an aberration because they didn't have Manning. Other than last season, their worst record over the last five seasons was 10-6. This is hardly a rebuilding team. Add to that, they play in the AFC South (12 games against AFC opponents), the emotional lift from playing for a coach sidelined with Leukemia, our injuries to key players on defense, and the Mara cap hit, and the comparison is ludicrous.

SkinsJock wrote:Sorry DaSkinz - you seem to be missing the point that some here are making - the roster make-up still needs work from the mess that was created by Snyder

I'd agree that there are 'excuses' for the 3-6 record but there are also valid reasons

your low opinion of this coaching staff is one thing but I'd disagree that our 3-6 record is mostly because of the coaches

the Colts roster was 'assembled' over time by guys (Bill Polian) that knew what they were doing


actually - adding Andrew Luck caused some players like Wayne to stay because they could see the possibilities

I prefer RG3 - I think we'll be more exciting


IMO there is NO WAY that the Colts coaching staff could have done near as well as these guys have done and i'm not a fan of the Shanahans and Haslett

DaSkinz Baby wrote:The Giants last year had a COMPLETELY DESTROYED SECONDARY and many others hurt 80% of the season.

DaSkinz Baby wrote:Sorry I don't agree this team and 97% of the players that Shanahan has brought in, you know "his guys" lack heart, determination. Example the Colts look at them last year versus this year. The Colts have two things we don't. 1 a better coaching staff even with their HC out!! and 2 players with heart, dedication and a strong desire to succeed. Washington with Snyder is a club, you come here make millions swear your going to fight your guts out, get better and every year come in last in the division. The excuses pretty much are the same, not enough skill players, injuries and now finally this Cap hell..............

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:BOM!
Roasted.

Irn-Bru wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:BOM!
Roasted.

I've always wondered, ckRGiii: when you write that out, in your head do you pronounce it "Bohm" or "Boom"?

Irn-Bru wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:BOM!
Roasted.

I've always wondered, ckRGiii: when you write that out, in your head do you pronounce it "Bohm" or "Boom"?

DaSkinz Baby wrote:These excuses everyone gives is about as solid as Doo Doo Butter. The fact remains 3 years we still lose to teams we should beat and every other team get's good quick.........FACTS and everyone loves to dispute but you can dispute all you want but you won't dispute 3-6 our current record and you won't dispute we won't win 2 more games this year.................

DaSkinz Baby wrote:These excuses everyone gives is about as solid as Doo Doo Butter. The fact remains 3 years we still lose to teams we should beat and every other team get's good quick.........FACTS and everyone loves to dispute but you can dispute all you want but you won't dispute 3-6 our current record and you won't dispute we won't win 2 more games this year.................

DaSkinz Baby wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Sorry DaSkinz - you seem to be missing the point that some here are making - the roster make-up still needs work from the mess that was created by Snyder

I'd agree that there are 'excuses' for the 3-6 record but there are also valid reasons

your low opinion of this coaching staff is one thing but I'd disagree that our 3-6 record is mostly because of the coaches

the Colts roster was 'assembled' over time by guys (Bill Polian) that knew what they were doing


actually - adding Andrew Luck caused some players like Wayne to stay because they could see the possibilities

I prefer RG3 - I think we'll be more exciting


IMO there is NO WAY that the Colts coaching staff could have done near as well as these guys have done and i'm not a fan of the Shanahans and Haslett

So the exit polls here show that this roster was so bad that it is taking Shanahan 4 years to assemble a good team? Nevermind the retarded thinking of the coaches to bring in safeties that no other team wanted, let core Redskins go (Rogers) where he leaves to have a pro bowl season to continue with players such as Josh Wilson, MeAngelo Hall?? Sorry this IMHO makes the coaching staff look even more stupid. No wonder we are having RG3 go out on pass patterns to get destroyed..........

Deadskins wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:BOM!
Roasted.

I've always wondered, ckRGiii: when you write that out, in your head do you pronounce it "Bohm" or "Boom"?

Brother Of Mine.

Bohm.

DaSkinz Baby wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

DaSkinz Baby wrote:Example the Colts look at them last year versus this year.

Please! The Colts situation has already been discussed. Last year was an aberration because they didn't have Manning. Other than last season, their worst record over the last five seasons was 10-6. This is hardly a rebuilding team. Add to that, they play in the AFC South (12 games against AFC opponents), the emotional lift from playing for a coach sidelined with Leukemia, our injuries to key players on defense, and the Mara cap hit, and the comparison is ludicrous.

Dude how many players over their last 5 seasons are still there with Indy? Pretty much the only person left of any real value is Reggie Wayne. All others GONE!! The only thing ludicrous is the consistent excuses fans allow this organization to get away with. The Giants last year had a COMPLETELY DESTROYED SECONDARY and many others hurt 80% of the season. But they won the Super Bowl. You know why? Because they don't deal with excuses......We should take that as a lesson if nothing else.......

Colts CB Vontae Davis (knee) has been ruled out for Week 10.Davis has appeared in two games since Week 3, playing start to finish in just one of those contests. He's out indefinitely with no timetable to return.

Colts LE Cory Redding (knee) has been ruled out for Week 7 against the Browns.The Indy defense is severely banged up. Also ruled out are DTs Fili Moala (knee) and Martin Tevaseu (ankle), OLB Robert Mathis (knee), and CB Darius Butler (shoulder). Inside linebacker Pat Angerer (foot) is listed as questionable. Trent Richardson could have a field day against the league's No. 29 rush defense

Red_One43 wrote:Talk about their inspired play for their coach? Well that is definitely an indictment againt Shanny and Haz because you are saying that the Skins D cannot get inpired by their coaches and the fact that they now have an offense.

Deadskins wrote:

DaSkinz Baby wrote:Example the Colts look at them last year versus this year.

Please! The Colts situation has already been discussed. Last year was an aberration because they didn't have Manning. Other than last season, their worst record over the last five seasons was 10-6. This is hardly a rebuilding team. Add to that, they play in the AFC South (12 games against AFC opponents), the emotional lift from playing for a coach sidelined with Leukemia, our injuries to key players on defense, and the Mara cap hit, and the comparison is ludicrous.