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Sportingnews article...
Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:12 pm
by Redskins1974
Draft picks are worth more to builders than to winners
By Dan Pompei - SportingNews
Like $100 bills taken by the wind, the Redskins' draft picks are scattered across the NFL. There are two in Denver. One is in Jacksonville and another is in Chicago. You also can find one in New Orleans.
The Redskins have only three draft picks, two fewer than the next closest team. It was a similar situation last year, when Washington drafted three players. This wouldn't be a problem if the Redskins were a team on the verge of winning a Super Bowl. But the last time they sniffed the postseason was 1999. Last season, only four teams had a worse record. Washington needs those picks as much as an athlete in training needs protein.
The Dolphins also have played it fast and loose with their draft picks. There is a difference, though. The Dolphins have been an annual contender, looking for one or two players to put them over the top. It made sense to trade a 2005 second-round pick for quarterback A.J. Feeley, a sixth-round pick next year for receiver David Boston (if he makes the opening day roster), and a fifth-round pick this year for linebacker Junior Seau. It's difficult to criticize the Dolphins for trading a 2004 second-round pick for a 2003 third-round pick because they acquired their starting left tackle, Wade Smith, in the deal.
"Draft picks have more value when you're trying to build a team than when you are a perennial winner," says Falcons general manager Rich McKay, who stockpiled picks as he was building the Bucs and then traded away picks once the Bucs became an elite team. "When you're a better team, a perennial playoff team, they lose a little value because they are lower picks by nature, and it's harder for those guys to make the team. It's harder to make those later-round picks work because there aren't as many spots open."
The Super Bowl champion Patriots have seven picks in the first four rounds of the draft and 10 overall. They had 11 picks going into the 2003 draft. They ended up selecting 10 players, nine of whom are still on the roster. Patriots vice president of player personnel Scott Pioli is unconcerned about keeping all the players the Patriots draft. Pointing to injuries and other unpredictable factors, he says, "Having too many good players never has been a problem."
Patriots coach Bill Belichick, however, has sought the counsel of former Cowboys coach Jimmy Johnson on the subject. Belichick says that because of a talented roster and excess picks, the Cowboys were unable to keep some players who became contributors elsewhere. "My only explanation to him is had we had injuries, those players would have been invaluable," Johnson says.
If the Patriots determine that players they would draft in the middle to late rounds this year might not make their roster or improve their team, then it would be prudent to package picks to move up -- or trade a pick this year for a pick in a higher round next year.
During the 2003 draft, the Patriots traded a third-round pick to the Dolphins (used on Smith) for a second-round pick this year. Part of the Patriots' thinking, according to Pioli, was they believed the 2004 draft would have more depth than the 2003 draft. So if they draft well this year, they could acquire a player who might be a round and a half better than the one they would have selected with their third-round pick a year ago.
Despite being a team that is driven primarily by its head coach, New England has approached its draft choices as if it is as concerned with the long-term health of the franchise as it is with winning now. That is rare. That is admirable. What the Patriots have done is the equivalent of parents investing as much in their child's college education fund as they do in the family vacation fund.
"You always have to have an infusion of young players who can contribute to keep you in good cap shape," says Pioli, who was named the Sporting News George Young NFL Executive of the Year for 2003. "If you are purely a veteran team, you won't be able to have a complete team."
Draft picks don't take up as much cap space as older players and allow teams to invest more in premium veterans. "If you are confident you can pick the right players, I think draft picks are more valuable than ever," Johnson says. "If you can hit on your second-, third-, fourth-, fifth-round picks, it enables you to build your roster with lower-salaried players rather than trying to build with higher-priced free agents."
Because the Redskins have chosen to invest heavily in veterans instead of draft picks, they could be in a crisis mode two years from now. Their payroll will be way over the salary cap, and they probably won't have enough good young players from the draft to bail them out. Coach Joe Gibbs doesn't see it that way. Gibbs says he actually is concerned the Redskins, who were the 10th-oldest team in the NFL on opening day last year with an average age of 26.7, might be too young.
Without draft picks, the Redskins will get old quickly. And so might Gibbs.
Senior writer Dan Pompei covers the NFL for Sporting News. Email him at
pompei@sportingnews.com.
Updated on Monday, Apr 5, 2004 2:27 pm EDT
Another naysayer - wrap this guy in with Dr. Z and Fat Lenny...

Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:18 pm
by gambit187
How come when these writers write something negative about the skins you guys say they dont know what they are talking about , but when they do the opposite you appluad them. They are only stating facts.
Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:21 pm
by BringThePain!
gambit187 wrote:How come when these writers write something negative about the skins you guys say they dont know what they are talking about , but when they do the opposite you appluad them. They are only stating facts.
oh and cowpuke fans don't do that?

Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:27 pm
by Redskins1974
B/C these writers are like a broken record when it comes to the 'skins. If they could come up with an original argument, I'd feel less inclined to blast them.
I'm not on dallas site completely agreeing with everything that the press is saying soley b/c I'm a 'skins fan. I won't make many fans on this stie for saying this but I think you guys get a bad wrap a lot too. Not so much since Parcells came aboard, just in general.
Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:28 pm
by Redskins1974
PS - does that make you feel better? Good, cuz that's the last you'll hear anything dallas out of me...
Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:34 pm
by gambit187
BringThePain! wrote:gambit187 wrote:How come when these writers write something negative about the skins you guys say they dont know what they are talking about , but when they do the opposite you appluad them. They are only stating facts.
oh and cowpuke fans don't do that?

(SNIKT) "Them sound like fight words BUB"
Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:41 pm
by gibbsfan
all i can say is whatever.to be honest i just scrolled on down skipping thru the whole article. gibbs old yes young at heart you betcha he is.
Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:44 pm
by Redskins1974
Gibbsfan - you hit it on the money...
Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 2:49 pm
by BringThePain!
gambit187 wrote:BringThePain! wrote:gambit187 wrote:How come when these writers write something negative about the skins you guys say they dont know what they are talking about , but when they do the opposite you appluad them. They are only stating facts.
oh and cowpuke fans don't do that?

(SNIKT) "Them sound like fight words BUB"
BRING IT!!!

Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:05 pm
by Redskins1974
How about instead of a boxing match between Iffy and Portis, one between BringthePain and Gambit? LLLLLLLeeetssss Geeeeeeet Reaaaaaaady to RRRRRRRrummmmmmmmmbbbbbllllle
Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:10 pm
by PROBOWL TOM
tired of gambit and his comments about the skins.ALL I need to say is TOUCHDOWN WASHINGTON REDSKINS when we play the cowpaddies.
Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:24 pm
by gambit187
Redskins1974 wrote:How about instead of a boxing match between Iffy and Portis, one between BringthePain and Gambit? LLLLLLLeeetssss Geeeeeeet Reaaaaaaady to RRRRRRRrummmmmmmmmbbbbbllllle
Not so lound Redskins1974 you know Buffer has that Trademarked. We dont wanna get shut down for infringement...LOL
Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:27 pm
by Redskins1974
Not so lound Redskins1974 you know Buffer has that Trademarked. We dont wanna get shut down for infringement...LOL
I got caught up in the moment

Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2004 3:51 pm
by Jeff Rhodes
Getting back to Pompeii's article, I don't disagree with his thesis that, in general, the draft is more important for a rebuilding team than a perennial winner. That's just common sense.
What I disagree with is his blanket assertion that the Redskins, just because they haven't made the playoffs in a few years, must by definition fall into the former category. When Pompeii talks about a rebuilding team, he's obviously referring to teams that need a huge infusion of talent. However, I would argue that, whatever the Redskins' problems may be, a shortage of talent isn't one of them.
Talent-wise, I think the Redskins compare favorably with just about any team in the league. What they've lacked in recent years is leadership, consistency and a commitment to fundamentals -- all of which Joe Gibbs figures to bring with him.
Last year's record notwithstanding, I think the Redskins already have the talent to compete and their strategy of going with proven veteran free agents rather than untested rookies to fill backup roles doesn't seem unwise to me.
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 6:13 pm
by Texas Hog
Jeff Rhodes wrote:Getting back to Pompeii's article, I don't disagree with his thesis that, in general, the draft is more important for a rebuilding team than a perennial winner. That's just common sense.
What I disagree with is his blanket assertion that the Redskins, just because they haven't made the playoffs in a few years, must by definition fall into the former category. When Pompeii talks about a rebuilding team, he's obviously referring to teams that need a huge infusion of talent. However, I would argue that, whatever the Redskins' problems may be, a shortage of talent isn't one of them.
Talent-wise, I think the Redskins compare favorably with just about any team in the league. What they've lacked in recent years is leadership, consistency and a commitment to fundamentals -- all of which Joe Gibbs figures to bring with him.
Last year's record notwithstanding, I think the Redskins already have the talent to compete and their strategy of going with proven veteran free agents rather than untested rookies to fill backup roles doesn't seem unwise to me.
damn well said
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 7:19 pm
by tcwest10
gambit187 wrote:"Them sound like fight words BUB"
Gee, I HOPE not, Gambit. When anybody challenges you, you run to the comfort of another site.
Really. Stick around this time, and support your arguments. It'd be a real nice change.
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 8:25 pm
by skinsfaninroanoke
gambit187 wrote:Not so lound Redskins1974 you know Buffer has that Trademarked. We dont wanna get shut down for infringement...LOL
WE don't? WE don't?
I KNEW IT! You are a closet Skins Fan! Welcome aboard Gambit buddy!
How many Hogs.Net Tshirts are you looking for? Just the first chink in that wall you have built around yourself pal... but we know the wall is coming down

Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:03 pm
by gambit187
tcwest10 wrote:gambit187 wrote:"Them sound like fight words BUB"
Gee, I HOPE not, Gambit. When anybody challenges you, you run to the comfort of another site.
Really. Stick around this time, and support your arguments. It'd be a real nice change.
TCWEST i dont RUN no where son, I am here every day from work and home. Dont get it twisted.
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:17 pm
by gambit187
skinsfaninroanoke wrote:gambit187 wrote:Not so lound Redskins1974 you know Buffer has that Trademarked. We dont wanna get shut down for infringement...LOL
WE don't? WE don't?
I KNEW IT! You are a closet Skins Fan! Welcome aboard Gambit buddy!
How many Hogs.Net Tshirts are you looking for? Just the first chink in that wall you have built around yourself pal... but we know the wall is coming down

Just because i said WE skinsfan, doesnot mean i have converted. BUT IF I EVER GET AMNESIA and switch teams you will be the first to know.
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:21 pm
by tcwest10
gambit187 wrote:TCWEST i dont RUN no where son, I am here every day from work and home. Dont get it twisted.
Nowhere but the english language, huh ?
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:29 pm
by gambit187
tcwest10 wrote:gambit187 wrote:TCWEST i dont RUN no where son, I am here every day from work and home. Dont get it twisted.
Nowhere but the english language, huh ?
See just because I choose to talk with a little slang, you would like to think you making fun of me. See thats where you true ignorance lies. Just because I have soul, swagger, bravado you hate on me. Just because I use words that you dont understand because they are from the street you think me uneducated, you laugh and try to make fun of me, but in my mind I am laughing at you. Just because, Just Because....I am your worse nightmare
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:31 pm
by tcwest10
Yeah, that's fine. Keep laughing in your mind, Gambit, 'cause that's where the joke is.
Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:42 pm
by skinsfaninroanoke
do I have to move this to the smack forum? you guys gonna keep getting nastier?

Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2004 9:58 pm
by ChiliPalmer
Jeff Rhodes wrote:Getting back to Pompeii's article, I don't disagree with his thesis that, in general, the draft is more important for a rebuilding team than a perennial winner. That's just common sense.
What I disagree with is his blanket assertion that the Redskins, just because they haven't made the playoffs in a few years, must by definition fall into the former category. When Pompeii talks about a rebuilding team, he's obviously referring to teams that need a huge infusion of talent. However, I would argue that, whatever the Redskins' problems may be, a shortage of talent isn't one of them.
Talent-wise, I think the Redskins compare favorably with just about any team in the league. What they've lacked in recent years is leadership, consistency and a commitment to fundamentals -- all of which Joe Gibbs figures to bring with him.
Last year's record notwithstanding, I think the Redskins already have the talent to compete and their strategy of going with proven veteran free agents rather than untested rookies to fill backup roles doesn't seem unwise to me.
As much as hate to say anything remotely good about Dallas, it's the 'boys themselves that make this article bunk. 5-11 three years in a row. That qualifies as "struggling" if anything does. Then the Tuna comes in and they make the playoffs. Teams can change drastically year to year.
How long ago was the Super Bowl Oakland vs. Tampa? How'd those teams do last year? In the time of parity, it comes down to coaching, injuries, and yes, even cap management. There are so many variables.
Gruden was the Golden Boy. He takes his team to the Championship right away against the team that he brought along. Now that talk has slowed down. If Parcells or Gibbs (or both) don't do well next season, the talk will slow down a bit for them, too.
As the season starts, you can predict with some certainty, about eight teams that'll make the postseason. Two of them will bust and go 8-8. One or two teams predicted to finish sub .500 will be in the playoffs.
I love the offseason optimism as much as anyone, but you can't predict who's gonna be there at the end and who isn't. Actually, I miss the days of perennial power houses. Even when one was Dallas...ugh.
Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 4:39 pm
by maatopdogg
I like what Gibbs has done so far in free-agency. But I didn't like him giving our 2nd rounder(a high 2nd for that matter) to Denver and 3rd to Jax. Champ is clearly more highly rated than Clinton Portis. If Portis blows his knee out it will be a waste. If I'm correct Portis missed a few games because of a knee injury. We are taking all of the risks. Denver has Champ the best cover corner in the league who has never missed any games. If anything they should be giving us a 2nd rounder or and even swap. This was not an even trade. And he should have been more patient when aquiring Brunnell. They were going to release him anyway after March 1st instead we give them a 3rd. No team was going to give them a 3rd when they knew he would be released that's why we won him. Example is Trotter, no team is going to give us draft picks for Trotter when they know he'll be cut after June 1. Now we are trying to recoup those picks back by possibly trading down with our 1st. We could have had our 2nd & 3rd picks and could be talking about moving down in the second or third round with more picks to fill our needs. We could be getting a stud at the #5 spot and with our second & third two solid starters on defense. But what's done is done and hopefully we can get those picks back by trading Gardner. Don't get me wrong that article clearly is bashing the Skins but it makes some valid points about drafting instead of signing free-agent TURDS. If we make the playoffs I will forgive him.