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Can we trade him for some help on D??? its clear he is a waste of a 4th round pick riding our bench. horrible pick given we had so many other holes to fill...

Wasn't a waste when Rgiii took a hard hit plus elbow to chin... You want Rex in?

we are not in a position to stockpile talent at a position that doesn't need help right now. granted cousins was prob best value pick based on waht the pundits said, but for our team, we had so many glaring holes on D, i believe that should have been the greater concern. football is a team sport last i checked. how many ints, sacks, pass deflections has cousins been good for on the bench??? nada...as much as its nice to have good depth at qb position, NFL is a league that is about winning now. Its clear RGIII is ready to win now so with that in mind, cousins isn't doing much for us right now.

I don't really agree that Kirk Cousins is a luxury. We've got a mobile QB who takes a lot of hits. You would have to be a total idiot not to have a reliable backup there.

I'll play your game though. Maybe Cousins to Dallas for CB Mike Jenkins?

llcc25 wrote:Can we trade him for some help on D??? its clear he is a waste of a 4th round pick riding our bench. horrible pick given we had so many other holes to fill...

You think one guy, and a snap decision at best is going to help this defense?

llcc25 wrote:we are not in a position to stockpile talent at a position that doesn't need help right now.

You're right, drafting a single player to back up the most important position on the field is stockpiling.

llcc25 wrote:Can we trade him for some help on D??? its clear he is a waste of a 4th round pick riding our bench. horrible pick given we had so many other holes to fill...

Would you rather have just one more body in the defensive backfield unable to hold things together? Because that's all a 4th round pick on D was likely to get us. You rightly point out that the team went for the highest value at the time, but it also addressed a need. We've already seen how easy it is for RGIII to miss time.

Trading Cousins now would be the worst of both worlds. We'd be spending a semi-valuable pick on a long-term project and then selling it off right away for probably the lowest price we'll ever get for him. A terrible idea on more than one level.

Please god, no, don't reactivate Wrecks Grossly.

llcc25 wrote:Can we trade him for some help on D??? its clear he is a waste of a 4th round pick riding our bench. horrible pick given we had so many other holes to fill...

Doing that would be extremely short sighted --- and is the Snyder MO (i.e., the philosophy of giving up more in the future to receive less now). So, no -- don't do it; that is a stupid idea.

If we gave up Cousins now, it would appear to other NFL teams that either we are desperate or that we now have lost faith in a QB that threw 2 INTs in 9 passes. Becasue of this we'd get nothing for him -- honestly, we could even get a 4th for him if we put him on the market......

Lets be honest with ourselves: this isn't our year. We still need to build. Stop being impatient. Don't allow impatience to stop the progress the team is making. A 2nd string qb is part of the progress. It's like your asking if we should literally cut our nose off dispite our fact. Stop it. I see no point in trading away young skilled positioned players for less than their actual value. That is what stupid teams do.

cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Wasn't a waste when Rgiii took a hard hit plus elbow to chin... You want Rex in?

he threw two interceptions and one touchdown in that game. Rex WAS in.

llcc25 wrote:Can we trade him for some help on D??? its clear he is a waste of a 4th round pick riding our bench. horrible pick given we had so many other holes to fill...

People wayyyy over rate his value. In April, every team passed on him three times and some did four times. Skins fans took a quick liking to him and declared that he was starting caliber and we could trade him one day for a #2 and maybe even a #1.

Why would any team that passed on him for a #3 just six months ago suddenly be willing to give us much for him now? Sure, I'd like him to develop into the next guy who's not going to replace Brady and we get a ton for him, but that's not happening for a good couple of years, and don't assume it will happen then.

Don't get me wrong, I like the guy and the pick. Just the idea that he's suddenly valuable because we're smug for getting him with a #4 doesn't translate into a lot of trade value this fast.

It all goes back to losing Sean. I don't know if our D will ever fill that void again. Trade Fred Davis for Champ Bailey.

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cowboykillerzRGiii wrote:Wasn't a waste when Rgiii took a hard hit plus elbow to chin... You want Rex in?

he threw two interceptions and one touchdown in that game. Rex WAS in.

wrong, AGAIN MARAhole.

lie with statistics, his overall performance was not at all bad for a rookie in his first relief. 98+ QBR. Looked worse than it was 'cause RGIII is so awesome.

Sigh...

So, how about this storm...

markshark84 wrote:Lets be honest with ourselves: this isn't our year. We still need to build. Stop being impatient. Don't allow impatience to stop the progress the team is making.

Yes, because fans' impatience kills the team's progress.

This is from the Steeler Post Game Thread:

llcc25 wrote:Its clear that we could've used that 4th round pick to shore up some of our glaring weaknesses on D. Why Shanahan, why did you draft someone who is riding our bench when we had so many other holes to fill??? Its clear RGIII needs more help...this move is an indictment on Shanahan's GM capabilities...

I listed the 4th round defensive guys for you (I didn't include the picks before Cousins because they were not available. Which guys would have helped us out against Pittsburgh yesterday?

102. Washington Redskins - Kirk Cousins, QB, Michigan State
103. Carolina Panthers - Frank Alexander, DE, Oklahoma
105. Buffalo Bills - Nigel Bradham, LB, Florida State
109. Pittsburgh Steelers - Alameda Ta'amu, DT, Baylor
113. Dallas Cowboys - Kyle Wilber, OLB, Wake Forest
114. Seattle Seahawks - Jaye Howard, DT, Florida
115. Tennessee Titans - Coty Sensabaugh, CB, Clemson
119. Washington Redskins - Keenan Robinson, OLB, Texas
120. Cleveland Browns - James-Michael Johnson, MLB, Nevada
123. Philadelphia Eagles - Brandon Boykin, CB, Georgia
124. Buffalo Bills - Ron Brooks, CB, LSU
125. Detroit Lions - Ronnell Lewis, DE/OLB, Oklahoma
126. Houston Texans - Jared Crick, DT, Nebraska
129. Oakland Raiders - Miles Burris, OLB, San Diego State
130. Baltimore Ravens - Christian Thompson, S, South Carolina State
132. Green Bay Packers - Mike Daniels, DT, Iowa
133. Green Bay Packers - Jerron McMillian, S, Maine
135. Dallas Cowboys - Matt Johnson, S, Eastern Washington

I left off offensive players because you wrote about the "glaring" weaknesses of the defense. After reading your post again, you said RGIII needs more help.

The one offensive 4th rounder that I thought would be a better pick than Cousins was Bobbie Massie, 4th round Cardinals. I remember during the draft several THNers thought Massie was a good pick and he probably will be some day, but let's look and see if he would be helping RGIII today.

Batiste and Massie aren't the only ones culpable for the poor protection, but they have yielded 22 of the 35 sacks, according to profootballfocus.com.

It was clear early that Massie needed seasoning, but the Cardinals had no choice but to play him after the injuries to Brown and Bridges.

No, Massie is not better than Polumbus right now.
Is Massie any better than Tom Compton drafted in the 6th round by Shanny? Right now, we can't say that either.

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepubli ... z2AnEceY2O

http://www.sbnation.com/2012-nfl-draft/ ... e-coverage

You really shouldn't have removed the picks between, because had we not taken Cousins, they would have all been available with his pick.

Deadskins wrote:You really shouldn't have removed the picks between, because had we not taken Cousins, they would have all been available with his pick.

Fixed and added the link for the 4th round. Thanks, Dead!

Irn-Bru wrote:

llcc25 wrote:Can we trade him for some help on D??? its clear he is a waste of a 4th round pick riding our bench. horrible pick given we had so many other holes to fill...

Would you rather have just one more body in the defensive backfield unable to hold things together? Because that's all a 4th round pick on D was likely to get us. You rightly point out that the team went for the highest value at the time, but it also addressed a need. We've already seen how easy it is for RGIII to miss time.

Trading Cousins now would be the worst of both worlds. We'd be spending a semi-valuable pick on a long-term project and then selling it off right away for probably the lowest price we'll ever get for him. A terrible idea on more than one level.

Agreed. I would not trade Kirk now.

However, Are we sure that no good secondary player was available at that point?

Our starting GREAT RB was picked at a LATE round after all. It is a rhetorical question. No, I would not trade KC now. No matter how desperate we feel. Let the investment pay in due time.

We could have gotten this guy in the 4th round instead of Cousins

Ta’amu was charged with 15 different crimes, including felony charges of fleeing police, aggravated assault while driving drunk and three counts of aggravated assault for trying to hit police officers with his car.

109. Pittsburgh Steelers - Alameda Ta'amu, DT, Baylor

So far, no one has come up with a guy taken in the 4th round that is worth more than Cousins.

I'm glad we have Kirk Cousins - he's going to be "a good value" pick when we look back at this draft