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Where is Bobby Beathard when you need him Seems like the skins slide began when Beathard left. The string of GM's have been dismal at best since his departure.

suud_yetmae wrote:Where is Bobby Beathard when you need him Seems like the skins slide began when Beathard left. The string of GM's have been dismal at best since his departure.

Get use to it as long as Tiny is the owner.

LOL Sad but true. That's a fact

masterkwon wrote:

suud_yetmae wrote:Where is Bobby Beathard when you need him Seems like the skins slide began when Beathard left. The string of GM's have been dismal at best since his departure.

Get use to it as long as Tiny is the owner.

The decline started long before Snyder tok over!

Casserly was a complete failure as a GM.

The 91 Super bowl was with almost all Bobby Beatherd's players.

I feal better now about the direction of the team than I have in a time since the 93.

Think about this, Shanahan wil be in his fifth year as a head coach before he gets a normal off season. Season 1 he had the "uncapped" year when all the young free agents couldn't go anywhere because of uncapped year rules. Season 2 was the lock out, FA right training camp and no off season workouts. Season 3 & 4 are the Mara cap hits. Season 5, hopefully will be normal!

There hasn't been a HC in NFL history that has had their first four off seasons dramatically altered like that. Sure ever NFL HC had to deal with the same thing Shanny did in seasons 1 & 2 but how many were new to their team? How many were taking over a 4 & 12 team? Off course the Skins were the only team to take $18M cap hits in back to back years. The $5M that Dallass took was bad, but it is much more manageable than $18M!

yeah this is the excact crap so called "fans" have after a lss like this. so yea we shoul fire bruce & shanahan, we should cut hall, trade orakpo, fred davis, & t williams, we should change. oue uniforms and move to LA. maybe then you would see sunny mornings. this team is still rebuilding like it or not. shanny gets 2 more years if we're lucky.....then this tree will bear fruit.

Griffin, Morris, Williams, Davis, Garcon, Kerrigan, Orakpo, Jenkins, Riley, Fletcher. When we wake up tomorrow we have our franchise QB and 2/3 of the other teams in the league are looking and will be looking for a long time for one. The glass is half full. If folks thought this team was competing for a Superbowl this year that was not reality.

The defensive regression is a big disappointment, but with injuries + players expected to perform that are not, it is very explainable.

These things don't turn around overnight and the most important piece is in place, RGIII.

The biggest issue on this team is it's secondary. If you get one quality safety and a quality corner this offseason then with the players we have, we have depth all of a sudden.

I think the drops today were an abomination. Something that happened and we'll have to get over it. I think that Hankerson needs to step up the rest of the season and show what he can do. Also, I think we were trying to showcase Briscoe for trade bait. Given a rash of injuries in the NFL, we might get something for him. Would be nice if it could be a younger safety or corner but I doubt it.

Not every team can have an excellent secondary, but it is possible to have a decent secondary that you make look excellent with your front 7. Unfortunately, we lost Orakpo and, I think more importantly Carriker, in addition to having what DBs we do have routinely injured (or out on suspension). It would be great if this no-name crew of defensive backs could step up and play awesome, but how much can they really do when the opposing QB doesn't get hit at all? Even *sh$t* receivers could get open with that much time (and they don't have *sh$t* receivers). I'm more concerned about the way they ran on us.

What decline is anyone seeing?

Do people forget how terrible we were last year???

ATX_Skins wrote:What decline is anyone seeing?

Do people forget how terrible we were last year???

I'm with you man. People are absolute crazy around here. I know it sucks to lose on Sunday, but you may have noticed the Steelers are a pretty good football team.

I didn't see the game. Stupid Smeagles and Falcons were on down here in the Deep South. But, the stats would say that we were improved on D. We held Big Ben to like 222 yds passing. That is the first time we have allowed less than 300 this season, I think. I know the run D shut down, and that may be why they didn't have to pass as much. Not sure how the attempts for Ben were compared to other games. Just my observation.

Mississippi Hog wrote:I didn't see the game. Stupid Smeagles and Falcons were on down here in the Deep South. But, the stats would say that we were improved on D. We held Big Ben to like 222 yds passing. That is the first time we have allowed less than 300 this season, I think. I know the run D shut down, and that may be why they didn't have to pass as much. Not sure how the attempts for Ben were compared to other games. Just my observation.

Definitely a case where stats aren't telling the story. I don't think the Steelers had to punt until like the last minute of the first half. Kind of did whatever they wanted that entire first half. That Dwyer guy ran all over our guys. And Roethlisburger didn't really have to put up big passes. He picked us the D apart, especially down in the red zone.

They may have been a little better in the second, but we were already in a pretty big hole.

I can't stand the Steelers, but gotta give them credit. They're still a quality team, not like losing to the Rams.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

masterkwon wrote:

suud_yetmae wrote:Where is Bobby Beathard when you need him Seems like the skins slide began when Beathard left. The string of GM's have been dismal at best since his departure.

Get use to it as long as Tiny is the owner.

The decline started long before Snyder tok over!

Casserly was a complete failure as a GM.

The 91 Super bowl was with almost all Bobby Beatherd's players.

I feal better now about the direction of the team than I have in a time since the 93.

Think about this, Shanahan wil be in his fifth year as a head coach before he gets a normal off season. Season 1 he had the "uncapped" year when all the young free agents couldn't go anywhere because of uncapped year rules. Season 2 was the lock out, FA right training camp and no off season workouts. Season 3 & 4 are the Mara cap hits. Season 5, hopefully will be normal!

There hasn't been a HC in NFL history that has had their first four off seasons dramatically altered like that. Sure ever NFL HC had to deal with the same thing Shanny did in seasons 1 & 2 but how many were new to their team? How many were taking over a 4 & 12 team? Off course the Skins were the only team to take $18M cap hits in back to back years. The $5M that Dallass took was bad, but it is much more manageable than $18M!

The decline obviously started before Danny boy took over, Before Danny we had JKC -- who was one of the best owners in football. It wasn't until his brain went that the team declined. His son wasn't the owner JKC was; that's no secret -- but I would have taken him over little danny boy. And now lets be honest with one another: Danny has made the skins a laughing stock within the NFL. Not sure where you are from but go 250 miles (maybe less) outside of DC and tell someone in another media market that you are a skins fan --- the typical response: laughter..... "I'm sorry, man". This is my world. I get this response 80% (conservatively)of the time --- literally.

Agree that Casserly was horrendous. Still not as bad as Danny/Vinny but bad. Correction though: the 91 team was with ALL of Beatherds players. Yet, each time Casserly is announced on NFL Network it is: "and we have SB NFL GM, Charlie Casserly reporting". I almost everytime I hear it. As a man, I don't understand how someone can literally sit there smiling as you take credit for another mans hard work and smart decisions -- but Casserly seems happy to do it without hesitation.

I also feel better about the direction of the team more than any other year but that is because of 2 things:
1) Because THAT ISN'T SAYING MUCH:
- WE'VE MADE THE PLAYOFFS 3 TIMES IN 20 YEARS (or since the 1994 season). ONLY THE BROWNS HAVE LESS APPEARANCES IN THIS TIME PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!
- ONLY CINCY HAS A LONGER AFC/NFC CHAMPIONSHIP DROUGHT.
- HAVEN'T WON THE DIVISION IN 12 YEARS; ONLY THE BILLS, BROWNS AND DET ARE LONGER
2) because we finally have a QB in RGIII. He is unreal. I just hope our FO is adequate enough to put the right people around him. After seeing how thin this team is, I am beginning to question our GM BA. We are now in our 4th season, while progress is being shown, I would have expected more by this point.

With regards to your statements about MS and his "normal" seasons ---- all I read were excuses. Good coaches make things work regardless of the situation. Those literally had nothing to do with MS's ability (or inability) to coach a team. Excuses are for LOSERS. Plain and simple. They are things losers say to feel better about themselves or to convince themselves that their inability to succeed wasn't really their fault but something much bigger and outside of their control. ALL successful people overcome adversity. Adversity is not foreign to winners. After all, outside of the Mara cap hits (and somehow during those offseason we were able to make big signings -- see Garcon), all the other successful teams/coaches somehow managed throught the tough lockout and cap/uncapped seasons...... For example, when Sean Taylors was killed did Gibbs use this as an excuse to feel sorry for the team and throw in the towel? No, he was able to overcome that adversity and win 4 consecutive games. Gibbs use ST's passing as something to inspire the team instead of feeling sorry for himself and allowing the team to sulk and fade away. So --- I'm not buying what you are selling. Leave the excuse making for the CLE and OAK.

I live in Northern California, and I typically get responses like "right on, RGIII!" Or "wow man, you guys lost a LOT of key players" but have NEVER had any negative crappy unless it was a pie/iggle/gnat fan. You can call the franchise a laughingstock, but outside the beltway and talking pumpkinhead pundits, I don't see it. Danny did put his finger in the fan, but he learned his lesson and has been good(and patient)

Everybody pretty much played sloppy except Sir III, in pouring rain, against a perennial playoff caliber team with a top 5/10 QB. Fletcher missed tackles on a couple of big runs. Does he suck? Moss dropped passes, does he? The goat grope snowballed, we nerd to move on. To me , it seems like we need to fix the secondary(do-able), get back key IR starters(hopefully do-able) and not read so much into our depth players not being top notch starters. The playing time makes them better.

suud_yetmae wrote:Where is Bobby Beathard when you need him Seems like the skins slide began when Beathard left. The string of GM's have been dismal at best since his departure.

Wow, eight games before we start getting these whining threads with no other point then that we're stupid and we suck. That's definite progress.

So that's all you're seeing on the field right now? Seriously?

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

suud_yetmae wrote:Where is Bobby Beathard when you need him Seems like the skins slide began when Beathard left. The string of GM's have been dismal at best since his departure.

Wow, eight games before we start getting these whining threads with no other point then that we're stupid and we suck. That's definite progress.

So that's all you're seeing on the field right now? Seriously?

To ask is to answer.

HarleyHog wrote:I live in Northern California, and I typically get responses like "right on, RGIII!" Or "wow man, you guys lost a LOT of key players" but have NEVER had any negative crappy unless it was a pie/iggle/gnat fan. You can call the franchise a laughingstock, but outside the beltway and talking pumpkinhead pundits, I don't see it.

I don't get that here in Chicago either. I certainly didn't get it at the game...actually just the opposite. People were patting me on the back and saying, you guys are headed in the right direction, or the Redskins are my second favorite team because of Griffen.

I don't think people truly understand the magnitude of having a player like Griffen on a team. Similar to Polamalu, he is able to attract new fans to the franchise, or support from fans from other franchises. People root for him to win, and that builds the positive energy around this guy. It's called positive karma, and every successful person has it. Balls bounce your way, calls start to favor you, things just seem to come easier. Like people rooting against Vick, or people rooting for the Saints after Katrina, or people rooting against Dan Snyder. Its not something I can explain very well, but this guy has it, and he has swung the pendulum the other way completely. that will start to produce wins, trust me, no matter who is coaching this team. The guy will elevate to another level.

Like I said in another thread, this weekends game against the Panthers is huge and will give us good temperature on this franchise. My guess is that this team comes out and dominates. In recent years, they would lose this game and fall off the cliff, but not this year. Not with this QB. This is a must win game, and add in that we get a bye, rest up and then start with the Eagles, Cowboys and Giants, oh man, this could be setting up for a fun run. We shall see. Keep your heads up

So why is everyone acting like we have been a good team that just got bad this year??

Mississippiskinsfan2 wrote::? So why is everyone acting like we have been a good team that just got bad this year??

Famnesia?

Irn-Bru wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

suud_yetmae wrote:Where is Bobby Beathard when you need him Seems like the skins slide began when Beathard left. The string of GM's have been dismal at best since his departure.

Wow, eight games before we start getting these whining threads with no other point then that we're stupid and we suck. That's definite progress.

So that's all you're seeing on the field right now? Seriously?

To ask is to answer.

Yes, it was more an observation then an actual question

chiefhog44 wrote:I don't get that here in Chicago either. I certainly didn't get it at the game...actually just the opposite. People were patting me on the back and saying, you guys are headed in the right direction, or the Redskins are my second favorite team because of Griffen.

that's not to be decided by a bunch of blank-blank fans sitting in the stands. Frankly, fans that I run into know very little of the game and even the details of even their own teams that they root for. At least compared to me they dont.

I don't think people truly understand the magnitude of having a player like Griffen on a team.

so far, the result is the same as any other season in washington. team sports.

Similar to Polamalu, he is able to attract new fans to the franchise, or support from fans from other franchises.

steelers have been productive before polamalu. bad example.

It's called positive karma, and every successful person has it. Balls bounce your way, calls start to favor you, things just seem to come easier.

that's what redskin fans are reduced to? Karma and "things just seem to come easier"?

Wow, two decades of failure and you guys are OUT OF IDEAS. Sad.

Its not something I can explain very well,

agreed.

that will start to produce wins, trust me, no matter who is coaching this team.

no it won't and I don't trust you. Team sport.

Like I said in another thread, this weekends game against the Panthers is huge and will give us good temperature on this franchise. My guess is that this team comes out and dominates.

when have the redskins under shanahan ever dominated?? Or do I have to get a definition check on how you describe domination because it might be one of those new-agey, karma type things that doesnt have to do with the final score.

i got news for you, they'll be lucky to win, its a toss up with the worst team in the NFC (currently). And if they did win, it would be within 7 points. The Redskins are NOTHING. like I said back in the spring and I have been right with absolutely everything I've ever said.

frankcal20 wrote:The biggest issue on this team is it's secondary. If you get one quality safety and a quality corner this offseason then with the players we have, we have depth all of a sudden.

I think the drops today were an abomination. Something that happened and we'll have to get over it. I think that Hankerson needs to step up the rest of the season and show what he can do. Also, I think we were trying to showcase Briscoe for trade bait. Given a rash of injuries in the NFL, we might get something for him. Would be nice if it could be a younger safety or corner but I doubt it.

If that is the case, picking a rainy day in Pittsburgh was not a great plan in retrospect.

My view is it's one thing for a player to have a really bad game, but it's another thing and much more troubling when the entire receiving corps play like girls in a cooed pick up game of flag football. How can Hankerson drop two TD passes in the same drive? Wouldn't you expect that the first one to be enough to make that guy focus enough not to make the same mistake a few plays later?

How did these clowns ever make it through camp, let alone become starters? The only one that should get a pass is Moss .. because he's at least been a proven commodity in years past and this year, since he's by far been the biggest big play/scoring play guy other than Garcon, and he's been limited to a part time role.

The way I see it is that this team in general has lost focus .... instead of coming out in a fury after last week's give-away loss that the offense had come back and taken the lead .... the Defense follows up with the most pathetic play of the year, allowing Pitt to score every time they touched the ball.

This was a thorough disaster across the board ... missed extra point ... 12 yard punt ... no pass defense and no run defense either ... offense completely stymied, even with one of Pitts best defensive players out .. and then when they lost Clark, both starting safeties were gone ... and we still could do nothing.

What looked like a strength, including depth ... the front 7 is no stronger than the back end of this defense .... without Carriker and Rak .. there's more pressure in a can of beer, and when you combine that with a back end that cannot cover anybody .... you're looking at no movement except reverse.

At 3-5 right now, and the schedule we have ... 8-8 is a pipe dream ... 5-11 is realistic if also a bit optimistic. That's counting a win against the Panthers and Browns .... the rest? Not the way this defense looks ... 3-13 is not out of the realm of possibility.

If the current pace continues ... this Redskin defense could end up the worst statistical defense in Redskin history, and even the entire history of the NFL.

Don't think for a moment that these players are immune to being as demoralized as some of the fans are becoming. We're halfway through season 3 of the Shanahan experiment, and so far, the only lesson mastered is the art of finding every possible way to lose, any which way you can. The last two years we found a way to lose by not scoring ... this year we've found a way to lose while leading the league in offense.

Demoralized players tend to lose focus .... and that's what we saw across the board on Sunday .... Pittsburgh beat us without breaking a sweat, and it was embarrassing. If anything was shown in Pittsburgh, it's that the rebuilt Redskins defense already needs another rebuild, and it's not likely going to be accomplished by the men who produced this debacle.

Lose to the Panthers this week and the team is likely to finish 3-13. Then we can give old Shanny and co. an extension and a big raise.

10-6
Quit bishin.

November 15, 2010
Eagles 59, Redskins 28 at home

November 21, 2010
Redskins 19, Titans 16 (OT) in Tennessee


Oct. 30, 2011
Bills 23, Redskins 0 in Toronto

Nov. 6, 2011
49ers 19, Redskins 11


What happened in Pittsburgh is consistent with what has happened each year with the Shanny Redskins. This is nothing new.

The only thing different with this year is we have a realistic hope that we can score more points than the other team and win a few more games this year.

Just when I thought the piece of MARA, mother-MARAing, troll was gone, here,s more of its MARA, polluting this site. What happened to the upgrade to let me filter that MARA sucker out? Take your UNWANTED, worthless bullMARA elsewhere, MARAhole.