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Just wanted to say how sweet it is to have a QB who just throws it to receivers over and over. After the years of Jason drilling it into the ground in front of receivers and the Rex lollipops, wow. And for all you who kept arguing that Jason drilling into the ground made sense because only the receiver could catch it, though actually the receiver couldn't, I have two things to say:

1) The receiver can only catch it if you throw it in their bread basket too, and it's a lot more effective

2)

Another great thing about Giffin over both as well is his ability to make quick decisions. Like the goal line play where he turned around and a d-lineman was zeroing in and he underhand threw it straight to the back. And don't forget that he gets rid of the ball when there's nothing there and he's under pressure. He's the best QB we've had since back in the day. Not even for a rookie, he's already the best.

We r never out of a game as long as rgiii is at center.

after 6 games I have tampa fans, 9er fans, & bronco fans at our football Sunday fundays chanting "who's our favorite player?.....R-G-3!" YEAH BOYEE!

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Just wanted to say how sweet it is to have a QB who just throws it to receivers over and over. After the years of Jason drilling it into the ground in front of receivers and the Rex lollipops, wow. And for all you who kept arguing that Jason drilling into the ground made sense because only the receiver could catch it, though actually the receiver couldn't, I have two things to say:

1) The receiver can only catch it if you throw it in their bread basket too, and it's a lot more effective

2)

Another great thing about Giffin over both as well is his ability to make quick decisions. Like the goal line play where he turned around and a d-lineman was zeroing in and he underhand threw it straight to the back. And don't forget that he gets rid of the ball when there's nothing there and he's under pressure. He's the best QB we've had since back in the day. Not even for a rookie, he's already the best.

I totally agree with this. Lightning has struck

Rebert Griffin III is the best .

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Just wanted to say how sweet it is to have a QB who just throws it to receivers over and over. After the years of Jason drilling it into the ground in front of receivers and the Rex lollipops, wow. And for all you who kept arguing that Jason drilling into the ground made sense because only the receiver could catch it, though actually the receiver couldn't, I have two things to say:

1) The receiver can only catch it if you throw it in their bread basket too, and it's a lot more effective

2)

Another great thing about Giffin over both as well is his ability to make quick decisions. Like the goal line play where he turned around and a d-lineman was zeroing in and he underhand threw it straight to the back. And don't forget that he gets rid of the ball when there's nothing there and he's under pressure. He's the best QB we've had since back in the day. Not even for a rookie, he's already the best.

The JC excuse-making on this cite was unreal for close to 3 years.

At one point I felt as if there were only 2 people (myself and RayinAustin) on this cite that actually understood how BAD JC really was and how much he was setting back this franchise. Kazoo, I even recall early on a couple (not a ton but a couple) pro-JC posts from you too.....

But we are seeing what good QB play looks like now -- a QB that can actually make plays and doesn't need an all-pro at every position to look adequate. As I have said: a QB makes everyone around them look better -- it's not the other way around.

"Black Jesus" - Sleepy Davis

markshark84 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Just wanted to say how sweet it is to have a QB who just throws it to receivers over and over. After the years of Jason drilling it into the ground in front of receivers and the Rex lollipops, wow. And for all you who kept arguing that Jason drilling into the ground made sense because only the receiver could catch it, though actually the receiver couldn't, I have two things to say:

1) The receiver can only catch it if you throw it in their bread basket too, and it's a lot more effective

2)

Another great thing about Giffin over both as well is his ability to make quick decisions. Like the goal line play where he turned around and a d-lineman was zeroing in and he underhand threw it straight to the back. And don't forget that he gets rid of the ball when there's nothing there and he's under pressure. He's the best QB we've had since back in the day. Not even for a rookie, he's already the best.

The JC excuse-making on this cite was unreal for close to 3 years.

At one point I felt as if there were only 2 people (myself and RayinAustin) on this cite that actually understood how BAD JC really was and how much he was setting back this franchise. Kazoo, I even recall early on a couple (not a ton but a couple) pro-JC posts from you too.....

But we are seeing what good QB play looks like now -- a QB that can actually make plays and doesn't need an all-pro at every position to look adequate. As I have said: a QB makes everyone around them look better -- it's not the other way around.

Given the turd and ish sandwich that the redskins had on the team behind Jason (Brunell and Collins in 06/07; Collins and Brennan 08; Collins 09), I have always been curious as to precisely who the redskins could have gone with instead of campbell. That is and always was my biggest problem with the JC bashing.

Now, as between JC and Griffin. Wait, that isn't right, those names shouldn't even be in the same sentence. As between JC. And Griffin; I'm actually shocked that Kaz even made the comparison the difference is so complete startling and unfair. Griffin is a once in a generation QB (I know some like to (the) post(er) about vick griffin comparisons, but they simply aren't there. This is what a franchise quarterback is as opposed to just the guy who is playing quarterback (that'd be what Campbell was) or to the guy that is so worthless he couldn't hack it in the CFL and is getting arrested for drugs in Hawaii or to the career journeyman (Collins) or whatever scrap Brunell turned into after that one dallas game.

Oh and Griffin has only played 6 games in the NFL.

Not a lot of guys could follow up being voted Rookie of the Month with a performance like Griffin had yesterday.

markshark84 wrote:The JC excuse-making on this cite was unreal for close to 3 years.

At one point I felt as if there were only 2 people (myself and RayinAustin) on this cite that actually understood how BAD JC really was and how much he was setting back this franchise. Kazoo, I even recall early on a couple (not a ton but a couple) pro-JC posts from you too.....

Because Campbell wasn't a great QB, therefore the most negative, shrill critics must have been right?

I think there was quite a range of realistic perspectives on him during his time in DC. Yes, there were some unrealistic excuses, just as some others seemed hell bent on finding fault with the way he drank his Gatorade (cough), and both extremes were . . . well, extreme.

Keep in mind that even though he departed after an unsuccessful stint, you could still have been pretty wrong about him, as far as facts were concerned.

cvillehog wrote:Not a lot of guys could follow up being voted Rookie of the Month with a performance like Griffin had yesterday.

I agree. It's the consistency behind his good performances that "scares" me the most. Apparently nobody has told RGIII that he's a rookie.

Irn-Bru wrote:

cvillehog wrote:Not a lot of guys could follow up being voted Rookie of the Month with a performance like Griffin had yesterday.

I agree. It's the consistency behind his good performances that "scares" me the most. Apparently nobody has told RGIII that he's a rookie.

Just think! If it's "scary" to you, what terror must be in the hearts of the residents of Jersey, Philly, and that town near Dallas...

Light 'em up, Bob!

The guy in his rookie season is already better than michael vick for his entire career......the young man is smart and studies play....very humble...qualities that mark a great qb.....he got a concussion and he apologize to his teammates....who does that?

Only thing I will say is Jason never had a line... ever

fetus wrote:Only thing I will say is Jason never had a line... ever

What are you talking about? At one time he had pro bowl tackles (Samuels and Jansen) and a very good guard-center combination in Randy Thomas and Rabach. The line was good enough to sustain 1200+ yard seasons for Portis. It was good enough that he should have been more productive.

Irn-Bru wrote:

fetus wrote:Only thing I will say is Jason never had a line... ever

What are you talking about? At one time he had pro bowl tackles (Samuels and Jansen) and a very good guard-center combination in Randy Thomas and Rabach. The line was good enough to sustain 1200+ yard seasons for Portis. It was good enough that he should have been more productive.

He also had a much better defense than Griffin has.

markshark84 wrote:At one point I felt as if there were only 2 people (myself and RayinAustin) on this cite that actually understood how BAD JC really was and how much he was setting back this franchise. Kazoo, I even recall early on a couple (not a ton but a couple) pro-JC posts from you too.....

Absolutely, you remember correctly. I wanted to give the guy a chance. There were some who just jumped on him right away, and I didn't think that was right. And they held him to the standard of a #1 pick and he was late first round. I argued he should get every reasonable chance. But as time went on and he was clearly not progressing I became more and more critical. At that point I felt he'd had every reasonable chance.

Personally I think that's a good thing, giving him a chance, then making a decision once the preponderance of evidence is in. Not that you said otherwise.

Irn-Bru wrote:

fetus wrote:Only thing I will say is Jason never had a line... ever

What are you talking about? At one time he had pro bowl tackles (Samuels and Jansen) and a very good guard-center combination in Randy Thomas and Rabach. The line was good enough to sustain 1200+ yard seasons for Portis. It was good enough that he should have been more productive.

Jason was the most contacted an in the league over the time he was here and took a beating... Also the last two years he was here I'm pretty sure he was the most sclerosis and also he had pressure in his face with in 1 sec of the snap in his last two years. Arguably, when jansen, rabach, samuels, Thomas and dockery, or whoever was playing LG, was healthy Jason seemed to play well... But how often was that line actually healthy... Jason had to live through heyer and portis being hurt for three years and samuels missing for two years and so on and so on.... Jason never had a chance but
Very happy Griffin is here

RG3 is a QB that will be remembered for being a really good NFL QB

Jason Campbell MIGHT be remembered as being an NFL QB - I doubt it

RG3 will make everyone around him look better

Jason Campbell NEVER made anyone around him look even good

Jason Campbell was good enough to play as a QB in the NFL but that's about the best thing you can say about him


RG3 is a great QB in the making

fetus wrote:Arguably, when jansen, rabach, samuels, Thomas and dockery, or whoever was playing LG, was healthy Jason seemed to play well...

I don't think he ever played the position well. The peak of his career here was that year we started something like 4-1 and we were all excited. But even then if you go back and read the threads, we (his supporters at the time), were saying he was making progress, we were playing well, but he was going to need to keep improving and playing better if we were going to keep winning.

That was also the beginning of the end because he didn't, we started losing, and all his weaknesses more and more glaringly became clear were in fact his weaknesses and he wasn't going to develop out of them.

andyjens89 wrote:"Black Jesus" - Sleepy Davis

If people are going there, I nominate "Threesus."

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

fetus wrote:Arguably, when jansen, rabach, samuels, Thomas and dockery, or whoever was playing LG, was healthy Jason seemed to play well...

I don't think he ever played the position well. The peak of his career here was that year we started something like 4-1 and we were all excited. But even then if you go back and read the threads, we (his supporters at the time), were saying he was making progress, we were playing well, but he was going to need to keep improving and playing better if we were going to keep winning.

That was also the beginning of the end because he didn't, we started losing, and all his weaknesses more and more glaringly became clear were in fact his weaknesses and he wasn't going to develop out of them.

I am in no way trying to argue that he was better than what we have now but I will not say that he played badly when he had the necessary time to read the field to throw the ball.
You could have put Tom Brady with that O-Line and he would have looked SIMILAR to Jason. I went back and watched some stuff of Jason with us on Youtube and what not and it seemed every thing that was negative(balls int he ground and what not) he had no time once the ball was snapped. Also, I think JC has the highest completion percentage in Redskins History, which will more than likely be taken by RG3, but yeah, The 4-1 year was looking good then we were plagued by injuries along the line, like we are every year. This year we seem to be ok so far in that department, knock on wood.
Iunno, maybe I'm just a Jason homer.

markshark84 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Just wanted to say how sweet it is to have a QB who just throws it to receivers over and over. After the years of Jason drilling it into the ground in front of receivers and the Rex lollipops, wow. And for all you who kept arguing that Jason drilling into the ground made sense because only the receiver could catch it, though actually the receiver couldn't, I have two things to say:

1) The receiver can only catch it if you throw it in their bread basket too, and it's a lot more effective

2)

Another great thing about Giffin over both as well is his ability to make quick decisions. Like the goal line play where he turned around and a d-lineman was zeroing in and he underhand threw it straight to the back. And don't forget that he gets rid of the ball when there's nothing there and he's under pressure. He's the best QB we've had since back in the day. Not even for a rookie, he's already the best.

The JC excuse-making on this cite was unreal for close to 3 years.

At one point I felt as if there were only 2 people (myself and RayinAustin) on this cite that actually understood how BAD JC really was and how much he was setting back this franchise. Kazoo, I even recall early on a couple (not a ton but a couple) pro-JC posts from you too.....

But we are seeing what good QB play looks like now -- a QB that can actually make plays and doesn't need an all-pro at every position to look adequate. As I have said: a QB makes everyone around them look better -- it's not the other way around.

Why pick on Campbell. RG3 makes almost anyone look bad by comparison. We're not getting good play out of him; we're getting great play. Take back a couple of idiot unsportsmanlike conduct call and we're 5-1, not 3-3. Give us an adequate defense and we're 6-0 and headed for the playoffs, maybe the super bowl. We're averaging 30 points a game, for Gawd's sake, without our best receiver and a mediocre OL.

I don't think many here are putting Campbell down ..

there is NO comparison to the really good QBs

Campbell was and is good enough to be a QB in the NFL .. THAT is ALL

he's not even considered 'a good NFL QB' - he's just another NFL QB

I'll repeat, Campbell is good enough but ......

fetus wrote:Jason was the most contacted an in the league over the time he was here and took a beating... Also the last two years he was here I'm pretty sure he was the most sclerosis and also he had pressure in his face with in 1 sec of the snap in his last two years.

I can't tell whether you're trying to make an argument with stats and facts or are just saying aloud what you remember. Because it seems to me you are misremembering the facts of the matter.

Arguably, when jansen, rabach, samuels, Thomas and dockery, or whoever was playing LG, was healthy Jason seemed to play well... But how often was that line actually healthy...

Did you do any research before writing this response? I'm guessing no, since you are wondering about something that's pretty easy to verify . . . and I don't think you're going to like what you find.

Our LGs during those years, by the way, were Derrick Dockery and Pete Kendall, both of whom were pretty good. (Remember that Dockery signed one of the biggest deals of the offseason when he left us for the Bills.)

I just don't get where this "never had a line" stuff is coming from. I suppose a Pro Bowler and multiple consistent starters doesn't count.

Jason had to live through heyer and portis being hurt for three years and samuels missing for two years and so on and so on.... Jason never had a chance

Chris Samuels was a full-time starter for all but one season. Portis played the full year in 2 of Campell's 3 starting seasons. I suspect your "and so on and so on" is code for "I don't really have anything else to say."

Look, Campell had plenty of chances. Five years on the team, three and a half seasons where he had the keys to the offense, is more than enough. We had a playoff quality defense and running game. Our offensive line was not bad. We were short on receiving weapons, but a good QB could have made it work.

We were a playoff team in those years with quality QBing. Campbell wasn't bringing that to the table, and no, it's not because he "never had a line . . . ever," which is a ridiculous thing to say.