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Here's an article from a Denver paper analyzing the trade and it just shows you how lucky we are to no longer have Snyder involved in the front office(for the most part) and that we have two men who know what they're doing.

http://www.denverpost.com/klis/ci_21401 ... source=rss

TimSkin wrote:Here's an article from a Denver paper analyzing the trade and it just shows you how lucky we are to no longer have Snyder involved in the front office(for the most part) and that we have two men who know what they're doing.

http://www.denverpost.com/klis/ci_21401 ... source=rss

if the redskins had champ Bailey, Carlos Rogers, Sean Taylor and laron Landry right now, they'd have the best secondary in the NFL and perhaps the best defense.

but some things in their control and some things out of their control, at the end of the day they have Dan Snyder. and that's why they are what they are.

I've always thought that most of this had to do with Snyder getting rid of Shotty. What he was doing to the team pissed off a GREAT player in Bailey and he didn't want to play for a team that was a wreck at the time. Let's be honest, it hasn't been good. I wouldn't loved to have Bailey on our team but not sure if he was we wouldn't been any better.

Ya Bailey wanted out at the time. Gibbs did what he thought was best. Portis gave this team a lot of good years of production.

We made the best of a bad situation. Bailey had personal issues at stake in addition to wanting to play football elsewhere. At least Portis was a bright spot during that stretch of time.

I think we got taken, in having to throw in the #2 oick, but Bailey was leaviong one way or another, so a deal had to be made.

Champ must have seen the writing on the wall, I wonder if someone told him to bail because Snyder was going to muck things up.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Champ must have seen the writing on the wall, I wonder if someone told him to bail because Snyder was going to muck things up.

He was here for Spurrier. He'd already seen things get mucked up.

Deadskins wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Champ must have seen the writing on the wall, I wonder if someone told him to bail because Snyder was going to muck things up.

He was here for Spurrier. He'd already seen things get mucked up.

LOL Right... I was still a bit too young to pay attention to football heavily I totally forgot.

He's a smart man.

Deadskins wrote:I think we got taken, in having to throw in the #2 oick, but Bailey was leaviong one way or another, so a deal had to be made.

Exactly. Champ was a non-issue, he wasn't going to stay here. But giving the Broncos one of the best CBs in the game AND our #2 pick was just insanely stupid.

I liked Champ, but it seems like he followed the pattern of a lot of former Skins and played his best football after he left here.

cvillehog wrote:I liked Champ, but it seems like he followed the pattern of a lot of former Skins and played his best football after he left here.

Nobody played good football here, and that had to do with how the team was run from the top down. It's hard for a DB to play at a probowl level when the defensive line was ignored for as long as it was.

It's hard to for a QB to be his best when the offensive line is neglected and the scheme changes every 2 years.

#shrug During that period of time, it wasn't the players, it was Dan.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

cvillehog wrote:I liked Champ, but it seems like he followed the pattern of a lot of former Skins and played his best football after he left here.

Nobody played good football here, and that had to do with how the team was run from the top down. It's hard for a DB to play at a probowl level when the defensive line was ignored for as long as it was.

It's hard to for a QB to be his best when the offensive line is neglected and the scheme changes every 2 years.

#shrug During that period of time, it wasn't the players, it was Dan.

NAILED IT!!!

Bottom line is that Snyder is one of the worst owners in the NFL hands down. He set this franchise back a decade because he wanted to play EA Sports Madden football and got totally burned.

It took him over 10 years to learn that he has the football mind of an infant.

He could not understand the concept that football is a team game and it takes TIME to develop roles and play with one another. Instead he just slapped players together and didn't understand that they needed to develop chemistry between one another. As such, he made a living off mortgaging the future of this team on aging vets.

I 100% place the state of this franchise on Snyder's back.

Even though Snyder is the biggest reason why the skins were put in the mess they were in; I really do think Snyder has learned his lesson of course about 10 years too late. We needed a top running back and we got one with Portis....but having to give up a 2nd rnd pick also? I will never understand that especially when a shut down corner was and is so important to a team. The past few years since he hired Shanny and Bruce he has kind of stepped into the background and let the professionals do their jobs. He is slowly but surely learning that one of the biggest "needs" in football is continuancy and the familarity of the system in place for as the players get more familar with the system the more flawlessly it will be executed. This is a big reason why the Pats have been so good for so long in the FA era.

BTW I heard rumors back after the trade happened that we could have done either LaVar or Champ in the deal...Does anybody know if this is true???

markshark84 wrote:I 100% place the state of this franchise on Snyder's back.

And 100% credit should be given to him if he has truly learned his lesson. Time will tell but that door has to swing both ways.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

markshark84 wrote:I 100% place the state of this franchise on Snyder's back.

And 100% credit should be given to him if he has truly learned his lesson. Time will tell but that door has to swing both ways.

I don't understand why it would take a grown man 13+ years to learn his lesson.

for example, I would know not to sign Deion sanders at all. i wouldn't need to even learn that lesson. I would have never fired a head coach with a winning record after the 13th game of the season, I would have never needed to even learn that lesson.

I would have never entrusted my organizations player development not once but twice to a guy with a flawed record to begin with.

so many mistakesm on and on and on...and it's like , wait a minute......if he has to make mistakes in order to learn from them every single time...then you know what, your teams ultimate fate is not good. because remember, players and coaches are but temporary employees. they come and go. but your owner is there forever.

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Chris Luva Luva wrote:

markshark84 wrote:I 100% place the state of this franchise on Snyder's back.

And 100% credit should be given to him if he has truly learned his lesson. Time will tell but that door has to swing both ways.

Absolutely. But a lot of people have a hard time letting of the narratives that run their lives. It'll take snyder 20years of ownership the right way to erase the first 10 from the minds of the huddled masses.

markshark84 wrote:I 100% place the state of this franchise on Snyder's back.

AND I 100% agree with that ...

CLL wrote:And 100% credit should be given to him if he has truly learned his lesson. Time will tell but that door has to swing both ways.

I'd agree to giving him credit for learning his lesson - only time will tell but I really do think that when he replaces Mike we'll still be run by a FO that does NOT get input from Snyder

I was initially a Snyder supporter, and I hoped he would lead the franchise back to glory - boy was that a big mistake (another of my MANY that I have made here )

I think that even his friends must be reinforcing the obvious - we're better off without his interfering

This franchise will become a force again and having a really supportive owner who totally supports the coaching staff and the FO is a really good thing

emoses14 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

markshark84 wrote:I 100% place the state of this franchise on Snyder's back.

And 100% credit should be given to him if he has truly learned his lesson. Time will tell but that door has to swing both ways.

Absolutely. But a lot of people have a hard time letting of the narratives that run their lives. It'll take snyder 20years of ownership the right way to erase the first 10 from the minds of the huddled masses.

Well, that's part of Danny's "punishment" and his nobody to blame but himself. I think he realized that he controls the legacy that he'll be remembered by.

- The owner who ruined the franchise...
- The owner who stumbled but got it together and resurrected a proud franchise.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

markshark84 wrote:I 100% place the state of this franchise on Snyder's back.

And 100% credit should be given to him if he has truly learned his lesson. Time will tell but that door has to swing both ways.

I generally don't give "credit" to someone for learning from their mistakes/lesson -- when they consistently made the same mistakes over and over again and only after a decade of failure and a boarder-line fan uprising did he "learn his lesson".

It would be great if he actually has learned, but we'll see. Merely placing the franchise in MS and BA's hands is only the first step. They need to win and once they have become consistent winners -- Snyder needs to continue to stay hands-off. Only then will I feel comfortable.

After all, he made a joke of the franchise for 12 years -- so in my eyes -- he needs to show he can do the right things for 12 years in order to make me a believer. Based on the dozens of first-hand testimonials I have heard regarding Snyder's character, I don't see him as very trustworthy. So we'll see. Consistency over the long term is the only way I will believe he has actually learned and isn't just doing things so the fans don't pull their support (and hurt his wallet).

markshark84 wrote:I generally don't give "credit" to someone for learning from their mistakes/lesson...

Uh, why not? Plenty of people never do. If Dan does bring this franchise back to prominence, even if he does so by butting out, and even if it fell from grace by his own actions, shouldn't he get credit for it? Plus, everyone loves a redemption story.

cvillehog wrote:

markshark84 wrote:I generally don't give "credit" to someone for learning from their mistakes/lesson...

Uh, why not? Plenty of people never do. If Dan does bring this franchise back to prominence, even if he does so by butting out, and even if it fell from grace by his own actions, shouldn't he get credit for it? Plus, everyone loves a redemption story.

Sure he will, but it has to be done on a consistent basis. After all, he turned a once top tier franchise into a running NFL joke.

If this were 2002, I would say yes, but it's not. He has a lot of making up to do......

markshark84 wrote:

cvillehog wrote:

markshark84 wrote:I generally don't give "credit" to someone for learning from their mistakes/lesson...

Uh, why not? Plenty of people never do. If Dan does bring this franchise back to prominence, even if he does so by butting out, and even if it fell from grace by his own actions, shouldn't he get credit for it? Plus, everyone loves a redemption story.

Sure he will, but it has to be done on a consistent basis. After all, he turned a once top tier franchise into a running NFL joke.

If this were 2002, I would say yes, but it's not. He has a lot of making up to do......

OK, fine, but what you said was that you wouldn't give him credit for it even if he did make up for it. So, which is it?