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I see Helu as bigger, faster, and stronger than Royster. Helu also has great vision, knows where to press on the stretch, has good hands, and better YAC than LeSean McCoy. I expect Helu to be our prime back.

Thoughts?

DarthMonk

I see Helu to be explosive in the first half then split time in the second half with the bigger Royster pounding the middle.

I checked. Helu is shorter but heavier so he is more compact. I'm not sure who runs "bigger." Helu is also faster.

DarthMonk

Helu is the more shifty of the two. Royster runs hard north to south. IMO of course.

It's hard to gauge these two IMHO. They both didn't have much time to get their feet wet, so to speak. Due to injury, it was a trial by fire type of deal. They also had to play behind a constantly rotating/make-shift line.

I think they both showed flashes once they became more aclimated to the system and who was blocking for them. I look forward to training camp.

ATX_Skins wrote:Helu is the more shifty of the two. Royster runs hard north to south. IMO of course.

I know the sample size isn't that big, but Royster did have a much higher ypc than Helu.

I would prefer Royster on the field in two back sets or other run heavy situations and Helu on the field in one back sets and on passing downs.

I want Hightower, if he makes the team, on the field as little as possible.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:Helu is the more shifty of the two. Royster runs hard north to south. IMO of course.

I know the sample size isn't that big, but Royster did have a much higher ypc than Helu.

I would prefer Royster on the field in two back sets or other run heavy situations and Helu on the field in one back sets and on passing downs.

I want Hightower, if he makes the team, on the field as little as possible.

Yep, Royster was averaging 5+ YPC in his last two games.

But...

It is also said that the o-line had finally started to gel after being in a constant state of flux all season. It could be argued that Royster had a group blocking for him that was more cohesive and effective.

Helu also had that amazing run for a TD... It's been a while since we've seen a RB break anything for a healthy run + TD. We definitely need a larger sample size. But will we get it? I doubt it. We appear to be a RB by committee team, and thats the way of the NFL nowadays.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpFXQJdu ... re=related

Be sure to hit mute, unless of course you wanna squash banana...

Doesn't matter...with a rookie QB and that offensive line the question is how good is the punter.

One big thing I've noticed is Helu always looks to break it outside, the opposite could be said about Royster who tends to fight for additional yardage up the middle.

masterkwon wrote:Doesn't matter...with a rookie QB and that offensive line the question is how good is the punter.

How could you all not appreciate this post???

langleyparkjoe wrote:

masterkwon wrote:I'm a troll.

How could you all not appreciate this post???

What post?

ATX_Skins wrote:Helu is the more shifty of the two. Royster runs hard north to south. IMO of course.

I'll have to disagree with you on this one. Helu is the more north/south runner and Royster is the shifty (2:21) runner but maintains a north/south direction.

Watch the youtube video that you posted. Helu makes one move than then tries to outrun the defenders.

Royster, has wiggle in his step and makes defenders miss or gets them off balance which allows him to break tackles. He doesn't run over anyone.Helu seems to be the stronger of the to (2:00).

Watch closely as either back finishes some runs, they both tend to fall down ( :57) Helu stumbles on his own at 3:05, but doesn't fall. At 3:15, Helu goes down with just a nip of the ankle. Royster does it more often than Helu (check out other tape on Royster). They both need to work on their balance or control or something.

At seasons end, Both Helu and Royster were banged up. Royster's shoulder was in bad shape and that was after three games.

So durability and balance are questions marks in my book for Helu and Royster. Hightower is still the more complete back.

Who starts? I don't think it matters. Shanny will ride the hot hand like he did in the St. Louis game.

We need all three backs. I do like Alfred Morris to be that power guy.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpFXQJdu ... re=related

Red_One43 wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:Helu is the more shifty of the two. Royster runs hard north to south. IMO of course.

I'll have to disagree with you on this one. Helu is the more north/south runner and Royster is the shifty (2:21) runner but maintains a north/south direction.

Watch the youtube video that you posted. Helu makes one move than then tries to outrun the defenders.

Royster, has wiggle in his step and makes defenders miss or gets them off balance which allows him to break tackles. He doesn't run over anyone.Helu seems to be the stronger of the to (2:00).

Watch closely as either back finishes some runs, they both tend to fall down ( :57) Helu stumbles on his own at 3:05, but doesn't fall. At 3:15, Helu goes down with just a nip of the ankle. Royster does it more often than Helu (check out other tape on Royster). They both need to work on their balance or control or something.

At seasons end, Both Helu and Royster were banged up. Royster's shoulder was in bad shape and that was after three games.

So durability and balance are questions marks in my book for Helu and Royster. Hightower is still the more complete back.

Who starts? I don't think it matters. Shanny will ride the hot hand like he did in the St. Louis game.

We need all three backs. I do like Alfred Morris to be that power guy.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpFXQJdu ... re=related

If Helu is the more N to S runner, why is he always getting to the outside and Royster is always ending up in the middle of the field?

I like both guys, I just think Helu should start and then they both split time in the second half. Just my take.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:Helu is the more shifty of the two. Royster runs hard north to south. IMO of course.

I know the sample size isn't that big, but Royster did have a much higher ypc than Helu.

I would prefer Royster on the field in two back sets or other run heavy situations and Helu on the field in one back sets and on passing downs.

I want Hightower, if he makes the team, on the field as little as possible.

Yep, Royster was averaging 5+ YPC in his last two games.

But...

It is also said that the o-line had finally started to gel after being in a constant state of flux all season. It could be argued that Royster had a group blocking for him that was more cohesive and effective.

Helu also had that amazing run for a TD... It's been a while since we've seen a RB break anything for a healthy run + TD. We definitely need a larger sample size. But will we get it? I doubt it. We appear to be a RB by committee team, and thats the way of the NFL nowadays.

I'm sorry but 5+ doesn't do justice at all to 5.9. He had over one hundred every start. Be it three games but still, point me to the last skin that came close? Royster is the leading rusher of all time @ Penn state for a reason. He's not a chump. I love Helu and we are pretty stacked at rb for cheap but don't discount Evan at all.

Red who did Helu start against I couldn't find it?

Good thread- probably a spawn of the off topic ramble I started in the awards thread, my baaaaad

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:Helu is the more shifty of the two. Royster runs hard north to south. IMO of course.

I know the sample size isn't that big, but Royster did have a much higher ypc than Helu.

I would prefer Royster on the field in two back sets or other run heavy situations and Helu on the field in one back sets and on passing downs.

I want Hightower, if he makes the team, on the field as little as possible.

Yep, Royster was averaging 5+ YPC in his last two games.

But...

It is also said that the o-line had finally started to gel after being in a constant state of flux all season. It could be argued that Royster had a group blocking for him that was more cohesive and effective.

Helu also had that amazing run for a TD... It's been a while since we've seen a RB break anything for a healthy run + TD. We definitely need a larger sample size. But will we get it? I doubt it. We appear to be a RB by committee team, and thats the way of the NFL nowadays.

I'm sorry but 5+ doesn't do justice at all to 5.9. He had over one hundred every start. Be it three games but still, point me to the last skin that came close? Royster is the leading rusher of all time @ Penn state for a reason. He's not a chump. I love Helu and we are pretty stacked at rb for cheap but don't discount Evan at all.

Red who did Helu start against I couldn't find it?

Good thread- probably a spawn of the off topic ramble I started in the awards thread, my baaaaad

neither one is very big, there's no Adrian foster on this roster. it would be nice if they had a guy like foster....a blue chipper.....in the backfield.

but in today's NFL, you don't have to have a star back there if your passing game is top notch. they can win with either guy if rg3 and company become legit.

Schhhk chhhk.....
Bom.

Foster: 6'1" 229 4.68 40
Helu: 6" 220 4.42 40
Royster: 6"1' 222 4.56 40
Hightower: 6"1' 222 4.59 40

Your best post yet poser, but still way off. Pass game helps run and vice versa. We have plenty of Arian fosters guy

ATX_Skins wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:Helu is the more shifty of the two. Royster runs hard north to south. IMO of course.

I'll have to disagree with you on this one. Helu is the more north/south runner and Royster is the shifty (2:21) runner but maintains a north/south direction.

Watch the youtube video that you posted. Helu makes one move than then tries to outrun the defenders.

Royster, has wiggle in his step and makes defenders miss or gets them off balance which allows him to break tackles. He doesn't run over anyone.Helu seems to be the stronger of the to (2:00).

Watch closely as either back finishes some runs, they both tend to fall down ( :57) Helu stumbles on his own at 3:05, but doesn't fall. At 3:15, Helu goes down with just a nip of the ankle. Royster does it more often than Helu (check out other tape on Royster). They both need to work on their balance or control or something.

At seasons end, Both Helu and Royster were banged up. Royster's shoulder was in bad shape and that was after three games.

So durability and balance are questions marks in my book for Helu and Royster. Hightower is still the more complete back.

Who starts? I don't think it matters. Shanny will ride the hot hand like he did in the St. Louis game.

We need all three backs. I do like Alfred Morris to be that power guy.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpFXQJdu ... re=related

If Helu is the more N to S runner, why is he always getting to the outside and Royster is always ending up in the middle of the field?

I like both guys, I just think Helu should start and then they both split time in the second half. Just my take.

Ok, our disconnect is in our definitions of a north to south runner. Your definition appears to mean a runner that runs outside. With your definition, I agree Helu is more the outside runner. The reason for that is he has the speed to get outside. Helu has 4.4 speed. Royster has 4.65 speed. He is not going to turn most corners so he turns it up field the first chance he gets. Again, with your definition. I agree that he is the more north to south runner.

My def of a north to south guy is a back who does not dance around (east west guys dance around- Randle El is an east west guy). He makes one cut and goes up field. Both Helu and Royster do that. Shanny only likes north south runners. One cut and they are up the field.

cowboykillerzRED wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote: I know the sample size isn't that big, but Royster did have a much higher ypc than Helu.

I would prefer Royster on the field in two back sets or other run heavy situations and Helu on the field in one back sets and on passing downs.

I want Hightower, if he makes the team, on the field as little as possible.

Yep, Royster was averaging 5+ YPC in his last two games.

But...

It is also said that the o-line had finally started to gel after being in a constant state of flux all season. It could be argued that Royster had a group blocking for him that was more cohesive and effective.

Helu also had that amazing run for a TD... It's been a while since we've seen a RB break anything for a healthy run + TD. We definitely need a larger sample size. But will we get it? I doubt it. We appear to be a RB by committee team, and thats the way of the NFL nowadays.

I'm sorry but 5+ doesn't do justice at all to 5.9. He had over one hundred every start. Be it three games but still, point me to the last skin that came close? Royster is the leading rusher of all time @ Penn state for a reason. He's not a chump. I love Helu and we are pretty stacked at rb for cheap but don't discount Evan at all.

Red who did Helu start against I couldn't find it?

Good thread- probably a spawn of the off topic ramble I started in the awards thread, my baaaaad

Helu's first start was the 49ers.

Aaaaaannnd then?

The combine time with out pads isn't worth a lick.. it an average, where helu ran lower aswell as higher then 4.5 Royster did the same w his time. It's easy to "mess up" and screw your total time. Rgiii ran one in the 4.3~ but its an avg. Now helu may or may NOT be faster then Royster ON THE FIELD.... Bottom line is we shall see this year, when teams can game plan for either one.

cowboykillerzRED wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote: I know the sample size isn't that big, but Royster did have a much higher ypc than Helu.

I would prefer Royster on the field in two back sets or other run heavy situations and Helu on the field in one back sets and on passing downs.

I want Hightower, if he makes the team, on the field as little as possible.

Yep, Royster was averaging 5+ YPC in his last two games.

But...

It is also said that the o-line had finally started to gel after being in a constant state of flux all season. It could be argued that Royster had a group blocking for him that was more cohesive and effective.

Helu also had that amazing run for a TD... It's been a while since we've seen a RB break anything for a healthy run + TD. We definitely need a larger sample size. But will we get it? I doubt it. We appear to be a RB by committee team, and thats the way of the NFL nowadays.

I'm sorry but 5+ doesn't do justice at all to 5.9. He had over one hundred every start. Be it three games but still, point me to the last skin that came close? Royster is the leading rusher of all time @ Penn state for a reason. He's not a chump. I love Helu and we are pretty stacked at rb for cheap but don't discount Evan at all.

Red who did Helu start against I couldn't find it?

Good thread- probably a spawn of the off topic ramble I started in the awards thread, my baaaaad

I have to agree. Royster will be our leading rusher, health permitting. He's got more power than Helu, needs less of a hole, hits the line just as quick.

cowboykillerzRED wrote:Aaaaaannnd then?

The combine time with out pads isn't worth a lick.. it an average, where helu ran lower aswell as higher then 4.5 Royster did the same w his time. It's easy to "mess up" and screw your total time. Rgiii ran one in the 4.3~ but its an avg. Now helu may or may NOT be faster then Royster ON THE FIELD.... Bottom line is we shall see this year, when teams can game plan for either one.

Helu's low was 4.43 - high was 4.52 and Official time 4.40

Let's throw out 40 times and look on the football field. Are you saying that Royster is faster or as fast as Helu on the field?

I think a look at the tape says otherwise.

When it comes to reading the holes, Royster, IMO, is clearly the better back. He reads quicker and hits the holes with a burst, but in the open field Helu is faster. One upside of Helu is he has more room to grow. As he learns to read ZBS better, he will be a much more productive back. He also needs to develop some open field moves.

Based on last year, right now, Royster should start based on running the ball - don't know how he is at pass protection - A Shanny staple.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/ds ... &genpos=RB

I'm not saying that either one is faster on the field.. I'm saying there isn't a glaring difference in speed that its minute at best and that Royster deserves as much praise as Helu, and has great numbers. I know as well that the game Helu played hurt, limping into the endzone, hurt his overall stats.. we have a good rb squad Hightower being the best blocker, even our rb Young is a beast.. not mentioning any of the rooks.
We got cheap wheels with a lot of tread on them is alls I'm sayin lol