15 pre-Shanahan Redskins remain

1niksder · Post by **1niksder** » Sun May 13, 2012 2:42 am

Mike Shanahan said yesterday that there are 15 players left on the roster from when he took over the team in January of 2010. That total includes Anthony Armstrong, who was on the Redskins practice squad prior to Shanahan’s arrival, and Chris Wilson, who was with the team from 2007-2010. Wilson did not play in the NFL in 2011 and was re-signed by the Redskins last month.

Two additional players, cornerback Leigh Torrence and fullback Darrel Young, were associated with the Redskins pre-Shanahan. Torrence played in Washington from 2006-2008 before being released. Young spent some time on the Redskins’ practice squad in 2009.

Of the 15, nine play on defense, five play on offense, and Graham Gano is a specialist.

That's a Re-Build

skinpride1 · Post by **skinpride1** » Sun May 13, 2012 1:25 pm

Yes many changes have been made but the world won't give Shanny any credit until we start winning games. I'm pulling for two areas on the team to step up and improve this year. The offense of course and the defensive secondary.

Irn-Bru · Post by **Irn-Bru** » Sun May 13, 2012 2:23 pm

skinpride1 wrote:Yes many changes have been made but the world won't give Shanny any credit until we start winning games.

"The world" will also act like the Redskins came out of nowhere. When the switch happens in terms of W-L results, it will look something like a match igniting. But the work to get to that point has been tremendous — and tremendously done.

skinpride1 · Post by **skinpride1** » Sun May 13, 2012 7:20 pm

Very true.

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Sun May 13, 2012 7:36 pm

Not a bad group of the 15 remaining btw.

the poster · Post by **the poster** » Mon May 14, 2012 2:29 pm

Irn-Bru wrote:"The world" will also act like the Redskins came out of nowhere. When the switch happens in terms of W-L results, it will look something like a match igniting. But the work to get to that point has been tremendous — and tremendously done.

there are few guarantees in the volatile NFL. One of the few is that one of its franchises, the Washington Redskins stay stagnant as a bad to mediocre football team. They have accomplished this in every single season of Snyder's ownership since 2000.

The Redskins haven't earned a single thing from that world other than the appropriate disrepect and general reputation of an offseason-news making franchise. Because that historically is all it has done under Snyder, right up to the present day.

Got a problem with that - talk to your owner. The world's not interested in the opinions of a wimpy fanbase who can't protect its own turf from rival fans while supporting a team that has given the world NO REASON TO CHANGE ITS OPINION.

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Mon May 14, 2012 2:32 pm

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon May 14, 2012 2:52 pm

Chris Luva Luva wrote:DFTT

can I suggest - DFTFT

emoses14 · Post by **emoses14** » Mon May 14, 2012 3:38 pm

Irn-Bru wrote:
skinpride1 wrote:Yes many changes have been made but the world won't give Shanny any credit until we start winning games.
"The world" will also act like the Redskins came out of nowhere. When the switch happens in terms of W-L results, it will look something like a match igniting. But the work to get to that point has been tremendous — and tremendously done.

It will be interesting to note the take on history through the lens of hindsight by the talking heads and infantile populous when the Skins finish with their turnaround. I just hope when I start laughing in other fans' faces I don't come off looking too much like the Masshole (is that ok?) patriot fans do now.

Well, unless I'm talking to a fan of ttit. Then I don't care how I sound.

emoses14 · Post by **emoses14** » Mon May 14, 2012 3:41 pm

SkinsJock wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:DFTT
can I suggest - DFTFT

Second.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Mon May 14, 2012 3:55 pm

there is no doubt that there will always be fans (especially those in the NFC East) that will point to anything they can to show their mis-guided support

the Redskins are on the way up - the damage done is being repaired

staying there will require continually adjusting & adapting and having the ability to address the issues of age and injury

there is no way that fans of certain franchises (or those that are just anti the Redskins) will give credit where it is due

it is going to be fun to be a Redskins fan again - enjoy the ride

these guys are going to ensure that whomever follows has a good base to continually add to

the poster · Post by **the poster** » Mon May 14, 2012 9:48 pm

SkinsJock wrote:there is no doubt that there will always be fans (especially those in the NFC East) that will point to anything they can to show their mis-guided support

bwhahahaha.....yeah like the FACTS of 4 straight last place finishes and an 11-21 record under Shanahan. yeah, everybody's just grasping at straws here.

the Redskins are on the way up - the damage done is being repaired

even though they suck to the point of finishing as the doormat of the division for four straight seasons, they still technically found a way to go DOWN with a worse record in year two under shanahan.

gee....maybe they'll get to a shiny 7-9 record this year......ooooo geez whiz, thatll show me. hahahaha.

there is no way that fans of certain franchises (or those that are just anti the Redskins) will give credit where it is due

and there's no way for redskin fans to understand the concept of PROVING IT ON THE FIELD first, then talk. but then again, it's my fault, sometimes I forget that we are indeed in every redskin fans favorite part of the season: May

skinpride1 · Post by **skinpride1** » Mon May 14, 2012 10:00 pm

Ah..yes reminds me of back in 2005 when every cowboy fan was making fun of Gibbs and then boom,....we laid the smack down on them. To arrgorant to see the changes taking place. Just going on what happened the year before. I tell you a 13 year olds mentality. Embrassing,....

yupchagee · Post by **yupchagee** » Mon May 14, 2012 10:18 pm

skinpride1 wrote:Yes many changes have been made but the world won't give Shanny any credit until we start winning games. I'm pulling for two areas on the team to step up and improve this year. The offense of course and the defensive secondary.

Nor should they. Change is not always progress. They will be judged by wins & losses.

skinpride1 · Post by **skinpride1** » Mon May 14, 2012 11:12 pm

yupchagee wrote:
skinpride1 wrote:Yes many changes have been made but the world won't give Shanny any credit until we start winning games. I'm pulling for two areas on the team to step up and improve this year. The offense of course and the defensive secondary.
Nor should they. Change is not always progress. They will be judged by wins & losses.

But then you draft a John Elway ..a P. Manning... Joe montana and change does happen. Just depends on what kind of change is taking place. But yes until the wins start coming then its more the same but I believe its right around the corner.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue May 15, 2012 8:02 am

as the man said - change is not always good ... progress however implies that things are getting better or heading in the right direction

we have seen quite a few changes .... now we are enjoying the progress

you cannot get to where we all want to be as quickly as we'd like

not long ago, this franchise had no hope of success

the changes have been good and bad but this FO now has a foundation on which to build

the progress will be clearer to the doubters soon

this franchise had many players that did not suit or were not willing to make the effort required by this FO and the coaches

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue May 15, 2012 9:36 am

yupchagee wrote:Nor should they. Change is not always progress. They will be judged by wins & losses.

And if you're going to judge them solely by the W/L column, then you're going to miss a lot. That column doesn't tell the entire story, it doesn't not even begin to hint at the level of ineptitude that festered within the foundations of this franchise.

I hope that Snyder isn't as forgetful and narrow-minded as some, for some reason I think he more-so than anyone else realizes that Mike and everything that comes with him is needed. There's more good than bad that has come with this regime. I need not list them, you all are aware. Regardless of the W/L this organization as a whole is light-years ahead of where it was when Mike came in.

the poster · Post by **the poster** » Tue May 15, 2012 10:31 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:And if you're going to judge them solely by the W/L column, then you're going to miss a lot. That column doesn't tell the entire story, it doesn't not even begin to hint at the level of ineptitude that festered within the foundations of this franchise.

Wrong. Sports, like sales, are judged by the bottom line. Either you win or you get fired. It's_as_simple_and_pure_as_that.

It's year 3 now, not year 1. Enough with the excuses. Start winning and start winning NOW.

Your team is not a special snowflake - its not the only team that had to overcome poor managment and start to win.

Start winning now

Chris Luva Luva · Post by **Chris Luva Luva** » Tue May 15, 2012 10:35 am

Redskin in Canada · Post by **Redskin in Canada** » Tue May 15, 2012 10:45 am

Chris Luva Luva wrote:DFTT

+1

ditto

riggofan · Post by **riggofan** » Tue May 15, 2012 10:57 am

Strong praise from the coach about those remaining 15:

“Of the 90 players that we have on our football team right now, we have 15 of those players from two years ago,” Shanahan began. “Those 15 players that we have, I guarantee you, you want to go to war with.

I gotta say, Shanny's entire speech kinda fires me up!

“We’ve had draft classes, we’ve had free agency, we had this draft, free agency, and I can promise you, the 90 guys that we have right now, you want to go to war with. Not only do you want to go to war with, but we’ve hit some areas that we needed in the skill positions, both on offense and defense, to give us a chance to be very competitive within the NFC East. That’s what I’ve been looking for, and that’s what we’ve got.

“On offense we added a few wide receivers that give us a chance to do something special that we didn’t have a year ago. Obviously with the addition of our quarterback, a franchise quarterback, that will be here for the next 15 years. And you will see in time — it’s not gonna happen overnight, we’ll have some growing pains — but I promise you, he will do things that you have not seen quarterbacks do.

“And the reason I’m so high on him is I’ve studied him, I’ve watched him, day in, day out. Not only is he a great athlete, a great thrower and a great runner, but he’s a natural leader. He has the things that you look for, and that’s how you build a franchise. So if you can surround a quarterback with people that believe and work extremely hard, you have a chance to do something special.”

I get the sense Shanny rubs a lot of Redskins fans the wrong way. The whole "he's got too much of an ego" thing. It seems to me that what he really has is a plan and a vision for the long term interests of our team. Something we've lacked for a long time.

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue May 15, 2012 11:20 am

riggofan wrote:Strong praise from the coach about those remaining 15
“Of the 90 players that we have on our football team right now, we have 15 of those players from two years ago,” Shanahan began. “Those 15 players that we have, I guarantee you, you want to go to war with.
I gotta say, Shanny's entire speech kinda fires me up!
“We’ve had draft classes, we’ve had free agency, we had this draft, free agency, and I can promise you, the 90 guys that we have right now, you want to go to war with. Not only do you want to go to war with, but we’ve hit some areas that we needed in the skill positions, both on offense and defense, to give us a chance to be very competitive within the NFC East. That’s what I’ve been looking for, and that’s what we’ve got.
“On offense we added a few wide receivers that give us a chance to do something special that we didn’t have a year ago. Obviously with the addition of our quarterback, a franchise quarterback, that will be here for the next 15 years. And you will see in time — it’s not gonna happen overnight, we’ll have some growing pains — but I promise you, he will do things that you have not seen quarterbacks do.

“And the reason I’m so high on him is I’ve studied him, I’ve watched him, day in, day out. Not only is he a great athlete, a great thrower and a great runner, but he’s a natural leader. He has the things that you look for, and that’s how you build a franchise. So if you can surround a quarterback with people that believe and work extremely hard, you have a chance to do something special.”
I get the sense Shanny rubs a lot of Redskins fans the wrong way. The whole "he's got too much of an ego" thing. It seems to me that what he really has is a plan and a vision for the long term interests of our team. Something we've lacked for a long time.

I would add that it is very obvious that Mike is really looking forward to getting this show on the road

if it's possible - I think he's actually more excited about the possibilities and the opportunities we have ahead of us than most here

andyjens89 · Post by **andyjens89** » Tue May 15, 2012 11:21 am

Instead of DFTT, it should really be DATT (acknowledge). All these DFTT posts are really getting just as annoying, I think we all understand by now...

SkinsJock · Post by **SkinsJock** » Tue May 15, 2012 11:37 am

OH MY!

the poster · Post by **the poster** » Tue May 15, 2012 11:50 am

Shanahan is not the only coach in Washington who took over a terrible organization.

So did Gibbs. Remember the Steve Spurrier era? Remember 2003? There's some of you in here that probably don't even know that Steve Spurrier tried to get out of his contract and quit BEFORE the 2003 season started - a month before.

Talk about a disaster.

By Gibbs second season, he won 10 games with a strong December and won a playoff game. In fact he would take the same team to the playoffs again on the strength of a strong December in 2007.

Shanahan's second season? He had a worse record than in his first. You don't like that? That's too bad. Why? Because I'm stating what you guys hate to debate: FACTS.