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Blogging the Beast did a film breakdown of all 5 FG attempts Gano had blocked last season and ultimately decided none of them were his fault.

For the most part it wasn't the O-line that was the problem IMHO it was defensive line.men being asked to on the interior of the offensive.

1niksder wrote:Blogging the Beast did a film breakdown of all 5 FG attempts Gano had blocked last season and ultimately decided none of them were his fault.

Impossible. If he was good, they wouldn't have been blocked. QED.

But let's say that we don't count those attempts against him. That'd put his FG made/attempted numbers at 31/36, or 86%, a top-10 number.

But had those 5 not been blocked, maybe he'd have missed some of them. Let's say he only made 2 or 3 of the 5 total. Then you're looking at a season total somewhere between 80% and 83% — not great, but nearly identical to the man Shanahan has brought in to give Gano competition.

I'm still pro- keeping Gano around, for all of the reasons I was last year (his perfect streak during the last several games helped him out a lot, IMO). I hope he wins the competition.

He's still young, too. He's getting better. I hope he wins the competition as well. He could be our kicker for the next decade.

Irn-Bru wrote:

1niksder wrote:Blogging the Beast did a film breakdown of all 5 FG attempts Gano had blocked last season and ultimately decided none of them were his fault.

Impossible. If he was good, they wouldn't have been blocked. QED.

But let's say that we don't count those attempts against him. That'd put his FG made/attempted numbers at 31/36, or 86%, a top-10 number.

But had those 5 not been blocked, maybe he'd have missed some of them. Let's say he only made 2 or 3 of the 5 total. Then you're looking at a season total somewhere between 80% and 83% — not great, but nearly identical to the man Shanahan has brought in to give Gano competition.

I'm still pro- keeping Gano around, for all of the reasons I was last year (his perfect streak during the last several games helped him out a lot, IMO). I hope he wins the competition.

Not sure which parts of the above are sarcasm.

I am a Gano defender. I easily saw none were his fault live. They were jailbreaks. I blame coaching for the blocks more than anything.

If we do this for all kickers Gano is at 86.11% which actually puts him at 18th though that's just one doink from top-10 - so it is a top-10-esque number.

If they aren't blocked I guess he figures to make 86.11% of them - you know, 4 or 5.

From the link:

If you were new to football and watched every Redskins game this season, you would probably think that blocked FG’s are common. They are not. In 2011, there were 35 blocked FG’s or PAT’s. The Redskins accounted for 6 of them (Yes, they also had a PAT blocked). In other words, they were on the wrong end of 17% of the NFL’s blocked FG’s/PAT’s last year. In fact, one in every 8.2 FG attempts were blocked! That is absolutely embarrassing.

DarthMonk

Just because the FGs were blocked doesn't mean he would have made them. I look at his entire body of work. The season prior he was awful too. My problem with Gano is not talent, or ability (he consistently booms kicks in practice and training camp). But, he seems to crumble when it counts. He's like the Tony Romo of kickers, a talented choke artist. As a result, I find it tough to rely on him for fear that we see the Shawshank Redemption when we least expect it, but need it most.

The Hogster wrote:Just because the FGs were blocked doesn't mean he would have made them.

We know bro.

The Hogster wrote:
I look at his entire body of work. The season prior he was awful too. My problem with Gano is not talent, or ability (he consistently booms kicks in practice and training camp). But, he seems to crumble when it counts. He's like the Tony Romo of kickers, a talented choke artist. As a result, I find it tough to rely on him for fear that we see the Shawshank Redemption when we least expect it, but need it most.

Agreed. I hope he can overcome that.

Dark monk I love the quote on the bottom ....what a tard poster poser loser lol. Yep Cleveland is where he went lol.

Red_One43 wrote:

I looked at Rackers career record and in Cincy, his first two years, he was in the 57 and 60 pct. He has one good year and goes to 83%.
He goes to Arizona and in the next two years goes 75 and 76% in better home field conditions. He hits 95% in 2005. Then hits consecutive 76% in 2006 and 70% in 2007. Arizona goes to the domed stadium in 2006. From 2008 - 2011, Rackers finally puts together 4 straight 80+% seasons.

It took Neil 9 seasons to become a consistent 80% kicker and that was with a domed home field.

I voted that Gano would win the job in the preseason in a previous thread:

http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=37965

1. For some kickers it takes awhile for them to become consistent. Rackers is one of them. Gano is showing improvement.

2. Though Rackers has had a couple of extraordinary years, his overall work doesn't place him as one of the NFL kickers

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1100 ... ers/page/9

3. Rackers only had one good season in Cincy when he was part of a time with an outdoor stadium.

4. Rackers is 35 and Gano is 25. How many times, have we taken someone elses' reject and not gotten out the best out of them.

5. Gano shines in preseason.

For me, Rackers has an very uphill battle to unseat Gano. I say it won't happen.

I do agree with Hogster, that Gano not being a clutch kicker is a big concern, but in year three of the Shanaplan, not a big enough concern vs the possible maturation of a young kicker.

DarthMonk wrote:Not sure which parts of the above are sarcasm.

Only the first line. I agree with you that we should assume that he'd have made something like 3 or 4 of the kicks that were blocked. (There's a decent chance he'd have made all 5, as all but one of the kicks were relatively short, and he was 4/6 from 50+ yards out.)

And that does put his season total at a respectable percentage. Between looking at that and his whole body of work up to this point, it's pretty obvious that the man is improving very well.

Hence, I want to keep him around. We know what Neil Rackers will do, but we also know he will only be doing it for another 2-3 years.

If Gano loses the competition, then so be it. But I hope he wins. His career up to this point — again, looking at the entire arc — suggests it would be a mistake to let him go.

Hopefully Gano is our kicker for many years to come

Gano is our kicker. There is nothing wrong with picking up an extra kicker though to give him some competition.

Hopefully with RG3 we can plan on Gano only having to kick PAT's instead of clutch field goals late in the game. Positive thinking fellas...

ATX_Skins wrote:Gano is our kicker. There is nothing wrong with picking up an extra kicker though to give him some competition.

Hopefully with RG3 we can plan on Gano only having to kick PAT's instead of clutch field goals late in the game. Positive thinking fellas...

I agree - hopefully he will respond to the 'competition' from Rackers

Gano has done well but he needs to step it up AND he needs to be more reliable

this kid has a good leg - hopefully we can see him kicking here for years

AND

hopefully, most of his kicking is after we've scored

He made the record for longest redskins field goal and people want to cut him when the line gave up six blocks? Hopefully he has another 100% preseason

there may be some that want Gano to be replaced

but

all that most of us want is for the kicker to be really reliable ...

not

just be a really good kicker

the competition can't hurt and if it helps Gano, so much the better

He might even learn something from Rackers....

SouthLondonRedskin wrote:He might even learn something from Rackers....

tempting

I just really hope we don't pull another Akers with Gano and end up keeping Rackers while Gano goes to Philly after there kicker breaks a leg and goes on to have a great career..........

TimSkin wrote:I just really hope we don't pull another Akers with Gano and end up keeping Rackers while Gano goes to Philly after there kicker breaks a leg and goes on to have a great career..........

Akers only attempted 2 kicks for the Skins before being released. Gano has been here for several years. Not the same. I hope he proves that he's able to make the leap from potential star, to actual star.

As of right now, he's got too much Romo-itis for my taste.

The Hogster wrote: Akers only attempted 2 kicks for the Skins before being released.

Yes. 3rd game of 1998 in Seattle:

On their next opportunity, the Redskins drove 63 yards in 13 plays only to come up empty. Allen rushed for four first downs to get deep into Seattle territory, but right tackle Shar Pourdanesh was penalized for a false start. Throwing out of bounds under pressure, Green was called for intentional grounding, and Aker's 48-yard field goal attempt sailed wide right.

Akers missed another field goal – wide left from 49 yards – to end a drive in which Allen carried on four of seven plays.

He made 2 extra points. He also got injured. We released him in 1999.

Some other interesting facts: In his best season Akers hit on 88.2%. What he has done amazingly well is hardly ever miss from inside 40 yards. He's 207-221 or 93.6%. He's also been fairly clutch - it seems. He was kicker of the decade. I think last year was his best. He was 7-9 from 50+ and was 44-52 overall.

Gano has an Akers-esque leg. He's just getting good. If he gets beaten out I won't cry. If we let him go for Rackers after a tie in camp I'll be disappointed. If he stays but misses more than one important kick inside 40 I'll be ready to say good bye. He's not as much of a choker as some would make him out to be. I've seen him make clutch kicks from 50+ only to have to retry because of a TO or penalty. Then a game he just "won" for us turned into one he "choked away."

I hope he gets another shot with us. He's young and could be very good for a long time. I hope it's with us.

PS - How about we don't get 1 of every 8 kicks blocked????!!!!!!

DarthMonk

SouthLondonRedskin wrote:He might even learn something from Rackers....

Something like this, maybe?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZghatdM8mo

DarthMonk wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:

1niksder wrote:Blogging the Beast did a film breakdown of all 5 FG attempts Gano had blocked last season and ultimately decided none of them were his fault.

Impossible. If he was good, they wouldn't have been blocked. QED.

But let's say that we don't count those attempts against him. That'd put his FG made/attempted numbers at 31/36, or 86%, a top-10 number.

But had those 5 not been blocked, maybe he'd have missed some of them. Let's say he only made 2 or 3 of the 5 total. Then you're looking at a season total somewhere between 80% and 83% — not great, but nearly identical to the man Shanahan has brought in to give Gano competition.

I'm still pro- keeping Gano around, for all of the reasons I was last year (his perfect streak during the last several games helped him out a lot, IMO). I hope he wins the competition.

Not sure which parts of the above are sarcasm.

I am a Gano defender. I easily saw none were his fault live. They were jailbreaks. I blame coaching for the blocks more than anything.If we do this for all kickers Gano is at 86.11% which actually puts him at 18th though that's just one doink from top-10 - so it is a top-10-esque number.

If they aren't blocked I guess he figures to make 86.11% of them - you know, 4 or 5.

From the link:

If you were new to football and watched every Redskins game this season, you would probably think that blocked FG’s are common. They are not. In 2011, there were 35 blocked FG’s or PAT’s. The Redskins accounted for 6 of them (Yes, they also had a PAT blocked). In other words, they were on the wrong end of 17% of the NFL’s blocked FG’s/PAT’s last year. In fact, one in every 8.2 FG attempts were blocked! That is absolutely embarrassing.

DarthMonk

+1
but 1 block was a botched hold.

Red_One43 wrote:

SouthLondonRedskin wrote:He might even learn something from Rackers....

Something like this, maybe?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZghatdM8mo

1) Fake

2) Funny how in the comments the Texans fans call him a choker. Wow.

3) Fun!

I am not a Rackers fan....and think Gano deserves another year to show what he can do. A few reasons.....

1. Age, Gano is 10 years younger than Rackers....so if he continues to develop, he could be our kicker for the next decade.

2. Looking at the last two seasons for Gano, he was called upon to try 34 kicks from 40+ yards. Rackers had 10 less attempts from that distance during that time. My conclusion would be that the Texans offense was able to get closer to red zone consistently before stalling, and requiring Rackers to kick. Our offense would sputter farther out, requiring a longer Gano kick for us to salvage points from the drive.

3. Rackers made 50% of his kicks last season from 40-49 yards while Gano made almost 73% of kicks from that range. Rackers, however, was far more consistent than Gano from 30-39 yards.

4. From 20-29 yards, it was pretty much even with Rackers being perfect at 14/14, and Gano missing one at 14/15.

5. Both missed one on PAT's....Gano 25/26 and Rackers 39/40

6. Gano showed a 7% overall increase from 10 to 11. Rackers had a decline of about 6% in those two years (though, to be fair, his overall average was still 9% above GAno's). Hopefully Gano's percentage will increase by a similiar number this season.....

So, am hoping that Gano will win out in this competition. Also think that having an offense that penetrates deeper into opposition territory before requiring a 3 point attempt could help his average as well.

rskin72 wrote:I am not a Rackers fan....and think Gano deserves another year to show what he can do. A few reasons.....

1. Age, Gano is 10 years younger than Rackers....so if he continues to develop, he could be our kicker for the next decade.

2. Looking at the last two seasons for Gano, he was called upon to try 34 kicks from 40+ yards. Rackers had 10 less attempts from that distance during that time. My conclusion would be that the Texans offense was able to get closer to red zone consistently before stalling, and requiring Rackers to kick. Our offense would sputter farther out, requiring a longer Gano kick for us to salvage points from the drive.

3. Rackers made 50% of his kicks last season from 40-49 yards while Gano made almost 73% of kicks from that range. Rackers, however, was far more consistent than Gano from 30-39 yards.

4. From 20-29 yards, it was pretty much even with Rackers being perfect at 14/14, and Gano missing one at 14/15.

5. Both missed one on PAT's....Gano 25/26 and Rackers 39/40

6. Gano showed a 7% overall increase from 10 to 11. Rackers had a decline of about 6% in those two years (though, to be fair, his overall average was still 9% above GAno's). Hopefully Gano's percentage will increase by a similiar number this season.....

So, am hoping that Gano will win out in this competition. Also think that having an offense that penetrates deeper into opposition territory before requiring a 3 point attempt could help his average as well.

Here's a 7th reason for you - Rackers' home stadiums were domed stadiums the last two years. The Texan's stadium is a lot easier to kick in than FedEx.

Gano needs to do better - Rackers provides competition

the only way that Rackers is kicking here is by showing that he's a better kicker

that is all that matters



Gano get's it