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Well this year we owe cooley something like 6.58 mil im pretty sure? Im really looking forward to the RG3-Davis combination as well as the RG3 - Hankerson combinations. Niles Paul apparently moving to TE and Logan Paulsen at TE you can only wonder whats gonna happen to Cooley. I personally hope we can find some way to keep him as the #2 TE; him and Cooley in the 2TE set would be way above league average. But I sure hope we dont release him at least get something for him.

northcarolinaredskin wrote:Well this year we owe cooley something like 6.58 mil im pretty sure? Im really looking forward to the RG3-Davis combination as well as the RG3 - Hankerson combinations. Niles Paul apparently moving to TE and Logan Paulsen at TE you can only wonder whats gonna happen to ey. I personally hope we can find some way to keep him as the #2 TE; him and ey in the 2TE set would be way above league average. But I sure hope we dont release him at least get something for him.

Don't count ey out just yet. He isn't necessarily a back up. He has had time to heal and he just might surprise a few of you.

When ey has been healthy he has been one of the top 2 or 3 TE's in the league. No one can say that he has not given his best or has been loyal to the Redskins and community despite the BS that has been going on with the Redskins, i.e. the many coaching changes, in-fighting, back stabbing and selfishness of some of the past coaches and players (pre-Shanahan). IMO, he has suffered a lack of recognition because of the universal badmouthing of the Redskins by the media and the NFL. He has had a year to get healthy so I expect him to take his place as the #1 TE.

I wouldn't count ey out at all. When he does his thing, he's awesome. If he has healed up, he will be opposite Davis. If he hasn't, he'll try like *heck* to convince the coaches he has. I think the switch with Paul was more about trying to keep Paul around in a reciever-rich environment than phasing out Captain Chaos, at least I hope so. A LOT probably hinges on the arbitration of the SC grievance. I could see ey restructuring.

I hope that ey is a Skin in '12.....with the several instances of inhaling an illegal substance that Davis has, he is only "one toke over the line" away from a severe ban from the NFL. Personally, I can't believe that we would get rid of ey.....he knows how to get open, and more importantly, catch the ball when thrown his way. Would be a disgrace if he becomes a casualty of the cap space nonsense.

rskin72 wrote:I hope that ey is a Skin in '12.....with the several instances of inhaling an illegal substance that Davis has, he is only "one toke over the line" away from a severe ban from the NFL. Personally, I can't believe that we would get rid of ey.....he knows how to get open, and more importantly, catch the ball when thrown his way. Would be a disgrace if he becomes a casualty of the cap space nonsense.

I agree.

I hope he restructures to fit in for at least a couple more years.

He's one of my favorites.

Hail!

it would be awesome if he were to restructure and stay here. Either way, I do feel like there are other players who are expendable before him (ie - Hall) who are counting just as much vs the cap.

One other thing though is that the Redskins are going to most likely play a lot of 21 personnel (2TE's, 1 RB) where Fred will be split out and ey will be in to block. Fred is a more stretch the field type TE similar while ey's greatest value is being a check down, move the chains type TE. I expect him to stay in to block after the ball is snapped and then release after a few seconds to give RG3 a 2nd check down option.

"When healthy....."

You know what, the dude isn't healthy. Even if he was, he isn't a top ten TE anyways. We had this argument last year and a lot of you are convinced this guy can play at an elite level. Are yall nuts???

ATX_Skins wrote:"When healthy....."

You know what, the dude isn't healthy. Even if he was, he isn't a top ten TE anyways. We had this argument last year and a lot of you are convinced this guy can play at an elite level. Are yall nuts???

He's finally getting a full offseason of rehab with the staff. If we're having this conversation next year I'll be with you.

ATX_Skins wrote:"When healthy....."

You know what, the dude isn't healthy. Even if he was, he isn't a top ten TE anyways. We had this argument last year and a lot of you are convinced this guy can play at an elite level. Are yall nuts???

I was on the side of keeping him because he's "Cooley" and his dedication to the team while going through the changes.

HOWEVER.. now that we've gotten younger at the position and those guys are way healthier than ey, if he doesn't want to restructure to stay than he can go. I don't think any team will be like.. "ooooh, cooley" but maybe get a 4th for him and if not just let him go.

(not to be confused wit Moss who I want to retire a Skin.. he's the cowboy killer)

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:"When healthy....."

You know what, the dude isn't healthy. Even if he was, he isn't a top ten TE anyways. We had this argument last year and a lot of you are convinced this guy can play at an elite level. Are yall nuts???

He's finally getting a full offseason of rehab with the staff. If we're having this conversation next year I'll be with you.

I agree with that Kazo

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:"When healthy....."

You know what, the dude isn't healthy. Even if he was, he isn't a top ten TE anyways. We had this argument last year and a lot of you are convinced this guy can play at an elite level. Are yall nuts???

He's finally getting a full offseason of rehab with the staff. If we're having this conversation next year I'll be with you.

Thats fair.

ATX_Skins wrote:Even if he was, he isn't a top ten TE anyways.

Um, yes, he is. When healthy he was a top 3 TE. Google his stats if you don't believe it. He is lacking in TDs, though, but I don't fault him for that as much as I do the play callers. That being said, he has been injury prone lately, and his best playing days may be behind him. I'm hoping he can stay healthy this year, and prove the doubters wrong.

Deadskins wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:Even if he was, he isn't a top ten TE anyways.

Um, yes, he is. When healthy he was a top 3 TE. Google his stats if you don't believe it. He is lacking in TDs, though, but I don't fault him for that as much as I do the play callers. That being said, he has been injury prone lately, and his best playing days may be behind him. I'm hoping he can stay healthy this year, and prove the doubters wrong.

I did google his stats, and look at his fumbles lol.

He's not top 3. Even when healthy. You are correct that his best years are behind him.

I love ey and appreciate all that he has done with us but, his lingiring injury is a cause for concern. I realize he has had a full offseason to heal and all but we just let someone go to the Jets for this same injury prone issue, 6 million is a lot of money to pay an aging, injury prone TE, if he restructures than sure lets keep him around and see if he can stay healthy, which I hope he does. If not then give him an appreciation thread and kick him to the curb, I doubt he has any trade value based off of the last 3 years.

I feel like we've been having this conversation for the past three or four years. ey is always either trade bait or a high cap number. And every year he suits up in September.

Guess we'll see soon enough, but my money is on ey sticking with the team one way or another.

ATX_Skins wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:Even if he was, he isn't a top ten TE anyways.

Um, yes, he is. When healthy he was a top 3 TE. Google his stats if you don't believe it. He is lacking in TDs, though, but I don't fault him for that as much as I do the play callers. That being said, he has been injury prone lately, and his best playing days may be behind him. I'm hoping he can stay healthy this year, and prove the doubters wrong.

I did google his stats, and look at his fumbles lol.

He's not top 3. Even when healthy. You are correct that his best years are behind him.

His last full season was a season ago (2010). He finished #2 in receptions (77) and #3 in yards (849). I'de say that makes him a top 3 TE that year. In 2008 he finished 2nd in receptions (83) and 4th in yards. Again that makes him a top 3 TE! In 2007 he finished 5th in yards and receptions, so he would be a top 5 TE that year.

So you wanted us to look at fumbles. He has lost for fumbles in Eight years or in other words he has lost a fumble every other year.

Look I know you will point to the fact that he has had 11 fumbles (4 lost), so lets do the math on that. That is 1.375 fumbles per year, or he fumbles the ball once every ten games but only loses a fumble (that is all that counts by the way) once every 27 games.

Put it another way he fumbles once every 39 catches and loses one of those fumbles once every 107 receptions!

If you want to make the case that ey has only played in 7 games in 2009 and 5 games in 2011. Meaning he has had two injury shortened seasons in the past three seasons. I will point out that most TEs miss games and he has played every game in six out of his eight seasons.

But lets look at his production during those there "injury filled" seasons. He has 114 catches and 1246 yards in those 38 games. Fred Davis played in 44 games during those three seasons and only caught 14 more passes and 335 yards in those 6 extra games.

During eys past four seasons (the number of seasons FD has played) he has been a top three TE twice, FD has been a top ten TE ZERO times. Also, ey has never been suspended or failed any drug test!

Stupid phone duplicated my previous post.

Good post skinsfan - but not that good to post twice

ey produces + is a fan favorite (they sell lots of ey stuff) = ey suits up for 2012 season!

rick301 wrote:Good post skinsfan - but not that good to post twice

ey produces + is a fan favorite (they sell lots of ey stuff) = ey suits up for 2012 season!

Yeah, I usually go in and check to see if my phone did a duplicate post but was looking up some stats. Once you posted I couldn't delete my duplicate post.

The stats I was looking up was this.

During ley's career only for TE have had more catches and yards than ey during those eight years. Those TEs are:

Tony Gonzalez
Jason Witten
Antonio Gates
Kellen Winslow Jr. (that shocked me - it was marginal, but he had more)

So CC is a top five TE over his career.

ey is the man. Great player and no off-field issues. Plus he married a Redskins cheerleader and was hand-picked by Joe Gibbs. What's not to love?

skinsfan#33 wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:

Deadskins wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:Even if he was, he isn't a top ten TE anyways.

Um, yes, he is. When healthy he was a top 3 TE. Google his stats if you don't believe it. He is lacking in TDs, though, but I don't fault him for that as much as I do the play callers. That being said, he has been injury prone lately, and his best playing days may be behind him. I'm hoping he can stay healthy this year, and prove the doubters wrong.

I did google his stats, and look at his fumbles lol.

He's not top 3. Even when healthy. You are correct that his best years are behind him.

His last full season was a season ago (2010). He finished #2 in receptions (77) and #3 in yards (849). I'de say that makes him a top 3 TE that year. In 2008 he finished 2nd in receptions (83) and 4th in yards. Again that makes him a top 3 TE! In 2007 he finished 5th in yards and receptions, so he would be a top 5 TE that year.

So you wanted us to look at fumbles. He has lost for fumbles in Eight years or in other words he has lost a fumble every other year.

Look I know you will point to the fact that he has had 11 fumbles (4 lost), so lets do the math on that. That is 1.375 fumbles per year, or he fumbles the ball once every ten games but only loses a fumble (that is all that counts by the way) once every 27 games.

Put it another way he fumbles once every 39 catches and loses one of those fumbles once every 107 receptions!

If you want to make the case that ey has only played in 7 games in 2009 and 5 games in 2011. Meaning he has had two injury shortened seasons in the past three seasons. I will point out that most TEs miss games and he has played every game in six out of his eight seasons.

But lets look at his production during those there "injury filled" seasons. He has 114 catches and 1246 yards in those 38 games. Fred Davis played in 44 games during those three seasons and only caught 14 more passes and 335 yards in those 6 extra games.

During eys past four seasons (the number of seasons FD has played) he has been a top three TE twice, FD has been a top ten TE ZERO times. Also, ey has never been suspended or failed any drug test!

Look, I don't think ey is a top TE in this league. You can throw all the stats to support yourself if you want. I see you also did some math as well...

ey has played well for the Redskins and I would not be surprised to see him here again

He's not the player he was

AND

the fact is Davis is not known for making great decisions off the field

SkinsJock wrote:Cooley has played well for the Redskins and I would not be surprised to see him here again

He's not the player he was

AND

the fact is Davis is not known for making great decisions off the field

He's not the player he was because he's been hurt the last two years, He has come back from his injuries a few times without showing any drop off. I don't see why he wouldn't be back, although he might have to restructure his contract.

Being the guy that he is I don't see that as a problem either

ATX_Skins wrote:Look, I don't think ey is a top TE in this league.

And you are wrong.