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Uh, oh......problems with the latest savior in DC?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... sm-of-rg3/


Now, of course, I already know what you're going to say, at least the stuff that I actually read of you people: the football related stuff...

1. Ha....unnamed source, the source is wrong/idiot/unnamed therefore is wrong/useless
2. Insert a successful QB (Cam Newton, whoever) who also had bad reviews prior to draft.
3. You don't care, you don't want to hear about it. (Go hide your head in the sand).


Now, I'll tell you why *I* find this interesting. Because, like MOST of you, all I've seen of RG3 are YouTube "HIGHLIGHTS". And I found something very alarming about those videos. 90% plus of the actual highlights of any video you find comprises one of two types of plays:

1. RG3 running with the ball up the middle. (that highlight will be removed in the N.F.L. because it's not going to happen much at all, if ever)

2. RG3 throwing a bomb to a one on one receiver who has a step or two or five on the corner.

What's curiously missing are plays where he steps up in the pocket, with defenders on him and him throwing 15 yard darts accross the middle in small windows.....because THATS what's required in THE NFL.

And if they bomb on this pick, ha....it will put the nail in the coffin on this franchise that Snyder has been driving into the ground since 2000.

the poster wrote:Uh, oh......problems with the latest savior in DC?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... sm-of-rg3/


Now, of course, I already know what you're going to say, at least the stuff that I actually read of you people: the football related stuff...

1. Ha....unnamed source, the source is wrong/idiot/unnamed therefore is wrong/useless
2. Insert a successful QB (Cam Newton, whoever) who also had bad reviews prior to draft.
3. You don't care, you don't want to hear about it. (Go hide your head in


Now, I'll tell you why *I* find this interesting. Because, like MOST of you, all I've seen of RG3 are YouTube "HIGHLIGHTS". And I found something very alarming about those videos. 90% plus of the actual highlights of any video you find comprises one of two types of plays:

1. RG3 running with the ball up the middle. (that highlight will be removed in the N.F.L. because it's not going to happen much at all, if ever)

2. RG3 throwing a bomb to a one on one receiver who has a step or two or five on the corner.

What's curiously missing are plays where he steps up in the pocket, with defenders on him and him throwing 15 yard darts accross the middle in small windows.....because THATS what's required in THE NFL.

And if they bomb on this pick, ha....it will put the nail in the coffin on this franchise that Snyder has been driving into the ground since 2000.

Very negative. Question champ, when you watch qb highlight tapes are they usually filled with boring 10-15 yard routes? No they are filled with touchdowns, bombs, the kinds of plays that make people ooh and ahh. Secondly, as soon as I came across, "he's mike Vick but not as good a thrower" I stopped reading the article.

There's a reason the source was unnamed. Garbage article.

CPallDAY08 wrote:There's a reason the source was unnamed. Garbage article.

Actually, the article isn't terrible, as it questions the intelligence and insight of the scout in question — not to mention it points out the obvious responses to what he says.

What's garbage, as everyone from PFT to THN to media outlets will point out, of course, is what the unnamed source has to say.

That's some pretty thin gruel the cynics are living off of nowadays.

You're right Irn, the article linked actually seems to take a "yeah, ok, whatever you say unnamed multiple scouts". It makes the very good point that it would seem rather odd that this "character issue" with RG3 went ENTIRELY unnoticed by EVERYONE other than these few given the spotlight, access and free flow of information.

So, in other words, nothing to see here, moving on.

I don't put a lot of stock in this.....especially the non football criticism's. The unnamed scout could be from a team who lost in the trade deal with the Rams for the no. 2 pick.....just trying to toss some cold water on us. The Baylor coach did mention how RGIII got along with his teammates in the audio interview.....would give a listen to the named coach on this topic vice unnamed scout.

Just watching second part of interview with Chick Hearn and still impressed with what i see. Chick even addressed this issue at the end saying basically what athlete at his level is not a bit selfish?

On the potential issues with his play.....we know that Luck was supposed to be the qb most ready to start between the two. But, apparently our coaching staff has reviewed the tape, and interviewed RGIII, and believe strongly that he can not only work within our system, but excel at his position.

the poster wrote:Uh, oh......problems with the latest savior in DC?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... sm-of-rg3/


Now, of course, I already know what you're going to say, at least the stuff that I actually read of you people: the football related stuff...
1. Ha....unnamed source, the source is wrong/idiot/unnamed therefore is wrong/useless
2. Insert a successful QB (Cam Newton, whoever) who also had bad reviews prior to draft.
3. You don't care, you don't want to hear about it. (Go hide your head in the sand).

Now, I'll tell you why *I* find this interesting. Because, like MOST of you, all I've seen of RG3 are YouTube "HIGHLIGHTS". And I found something very alarming about those videos. 90% plus of the actual highlights of any video you find comprises one of two types of plays:

1. RG3 running with the ball up the middle. (that highlight will be removed in the N.F.L. because it's not going to happen much at all, if ever)

2. RG3 throwing a bomb to a one on one receiver who has a step or two or five on the corner.

What's curiously missing are plays where he steps up in the pocket, with defenders on him and him throwing 15 yard darts accross the middle in small windows.....because THATS what's required in THE NFL.

And if they bomb on this pick, ha....it will put the nail in the coffin on this franchise that Snyder has been driving into the ground since 2000.

Very interesting.

From the same writer, Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel:

"Very impressed in every aspect," one scout said. "Athletically, which is a given because he was a big-time track star in the state of Texas. He carries himself very well. A tremendous leader." Fourth-year junior led Bears to 10-3 season in 2011 and 22-18 mark overall. "He's phenomenal," another scout said. "He's going to need technique work and fundamentals. But you cannot lose the fact that he's got feet, touch downfield with accuracy, a strong arm. He's charismatic and smart as (expletive)."

1 min 10 sec vid stepping up and delivering:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMm2qGMGV8Q

Gosh, Browns fans must be at the end of their rope. Bummer.

DarthMonk

I think we need a "selfish" QB. The article didn't give any examples but y'all know me... I had to check it out. The un-named source is correct, for a QB with as many pass attempts as RGIII, he gave up very few interceptions compared to the others coming out this year and the guy he'll replace.

He's not a likeable person... correct again, who likes a guy that's always throwing around phases like "yes sir", "thank you" and "may I comment on that"... We a guy that's going to say "yep you better believe that sh..", "uh huh" and " wait one f..... minute"

Most real leaders aren't loved by those the go into battle with.

And it's not like any of this came out before the Colts made it known that Luck was their man. RGIII to the Skins = no longer a media darling.

He'll get use to it... Joey T. did and nobody liked him when he was the leader of the Washington Redskins.

Redskins fan don't need names... we read it just to see if it's a un-named source or a source close to the situation that wishes to remain anonymous.

DarthMonk wrote:

the poster wrote:Uh, oh......problems with the latest savior in DC?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... sm-of-rg3/


Now, of course, I already know what you're going to say, at least the stuff that I actually read of you people: the football related stuff...
1. Ha....unnamed source, the source is wrong/idiot/unnamed therefore is wrong/useless
2. Insert a successful QB (Cam Newton, whoever) who also had bad reviews prior to draft.
3. You don't care, you don't want to hear about it. (Go hide your head in the sand).

Now, I'll tell you why *I* find this interesting. Because, like MOST of you, all I've seen of RG3 are YouTube "HIGHLIGHTS". And I found something very alarming about those videos. 90% plus of the actual highlights of any video you find comprises one of two types of plays:

1. RG3 running with the ball up the middle. (that highlight will be removed in the N.F.L. because it's not going to happen much at all, if ever)

2. RG3 throwing a bomb to a one on one receiver who has a step or two or five on the corner.

What's curiously missing are plays where he steps up in the pocket, with defenders on him and him throwing 15 yard darts accross the middle in small windows.....because THATS what's required in THE NFL.

And if they bomb on this pick, ha....it will put the nail in the coffin on this franchise that Snyder has been driving into the ground since 2000.

Very interesting.

From the same writer, Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel:

"Very impressed in every aspect," one scout said. "Athletically, which is a given because he was a big-time track star in the state of Texas. He carries himself very well. A tremendous leader." Fourth-year junior led Bears to 10-3 season in 2011 and 22-18 mark overall. "He's phenomenal," another scout said. "He's going to need technique work and fundamentals. But you cannot lose the fact that he's got feet, touch downfield with accuracy, a strong arm. He's charismatic and smart as (expletive)."

1 min 10 sec vid stepping up and delivering:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMm2qGMGV8Q

Gosh, Browns fans must be at the end of their rope. Bummer.

DarthMonk

I like what you did there...

SouthLondonRedskin wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:

the poster wrote:Uh, oh......problems with the latest savior in DC?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... sm-of-rg3/


Now, of course, I already know what you're going to say, at least the stuff that I actually read of you people: the football related stuff...
1. Ha....unnamed source, the source is wrong/idiot/unnamed therefore is wrong/useless
2. Insert a successful QB (Cam Newton, whoever) who also had bad reviews prior to draft.
3. You don't care, you don't want to hear about it. (Go hide your head in the sand).

Now, I'll tell you why *I* find this interesting. Because, like MOST of you, all I've seen of RG3 are YouTube "HIGHLIGHTS". And I found something very alarming about those videos. 90% plus of the actual highlights of any video you find comprises one of two types of plays:

1. RG3 running with the ball up the middle. (that highlight will be removed in the N.F.L. because it's not going to happen much at all, if ever)

2. RG3 throwing a bomb to a one on one receiver who has a step or two or five on the corner.

What's curiously missing are plays where he steps up in the pocket, with defenders on him and him throwing 15 yard darts accross the middle in small windows.....because THATS what's required in THE NFL.

And if they bomb on this pick, ha....it will put the nail in the coffin on this franchise that Snyder has been driving into the ground since 2000.

Very interesting.

From the same writer, Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel:

"Very impressed in every aspect," one scout said. "Athletically, which is a given because he was a big-time track star in the state of Texas. He carries himself very well. A tremendous leader." Fourth-year junior led Bears to 10-3 season in 2011 and 22-18 mark overall. "He's phenomenal," another scout said. "He's going to need technique work and fundamentals. But you cannot lose the fact that he's got feet, touch downfield with accuracy, a strong arm. He's charismatic and smart as (expletive)."

1 min 10 sec vid stepping up and delivering:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMm2qGMGV8Q

Gosh, Browns fans must be at the end of their rope. Bummer.

DarthMonk

I like what you did there...

I do what I can, mate. Someone did it to me once and I admired it.

One more week and Bob's our uncle.

DarthMonk

Last year, a scathing assessment of quarterback Cam Newton from Nolan Nawrocki of Pro Football Weekly stirred up a storm of criticism and debate in the weeks preceding the draft.

In the end, the critique didn’t keep Newton from being the first overall pick in the draft. Or from having the best rookie season of any quarterback in NFL history.

This year, with the Redskins in the process of converting their penciled-in selection of Griffin to tattoo ink, Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel shares some negative views on Griffin, from multiple unnamed scouts.

Sounds like these journalist learned a lesson from last year - this is the time to get your 15 minutes of fame - wait until the week before the draft and bash the most popular potential draftee.

If there were real concerns about Griffin’s treatment of others and/or selfishness, the information surely would have come out a long time ago, not long after Griffin’s spot at the top of the draft board was secured.

Thanks all that needs to be said on this subject.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... sm-of-rg3/


Now on this subject:

“‘I don’t think he has vision or pocket feel, which to me are the two most important components of quarterbacking. He’s just running around winging it. He’s [Michael] Vick, but not as good a thrower.’

The Eagles version of Vick is not too shabby when it comes to pocket presence especially with their weak line. This sounds like kindergarten journalism - "He's just running around winging it." Talk to the Cowboys fans about that Vick dude running around winging it. Super Bowl champ Giants couldn't sweep Vick. Giant fans are still talking about that Vick comeback in 2010 If RGIII can escape the rush like Vick ... Heck, this is actually a compliment.

BTW Cowboys scouts have a lot to say about RGIII:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... receivers/

Very interesting.

fact that he's got feet, touch downfield with accuracy, a strong arm. He's charismatic and smart as (expletive)."

the boy genius had the lowest wonderlic score of any of the top qbs entering this years draft. how could that be?? he's gods gift to everything....or so we been told so far..

Btw the worst talent evaluator is not this unnamed source. the worst talent evaluator of all time is something called NEED. many a team have been swindled in trades or evaluated a player in drafts incorrectly when they've chased their need irrationally.

three first round drafts picks and a high second round draft pick for one skinny college kid appears from the outside to be irrational. we'll see as the years go on.

defining this as a need for Washington is the obvious part. the redskins have delivered smoke signals on how desperate they are with the largest trade of high drafts for one player in the history of the sport. is is beyond a qb...this is a franchise who is desperate to bring excitement ...the owner must be tired of the 17-10 yawn fests in front of a half empty stadium for the final 3 home games every single year.

we'll find out soon enough if their desperation didn't clog their evaluation....here's hoping for your sake that rg3 is in Tom Brady company and quickly to validate this needy move.

Some just hate and enjoy it. Some people are just plain evil. Things do not go well enough in their lives and they just want to make sure everyone else feel as worthless as themselves. I do not always agree with all here but one thing I know is, we are almost all Redskins fans. There is nothing that will stop it either. Even winning will bring hate. All we can hope for is people like the poster making friends in life that can point him in the right direction.

Some notable Wonderlic scores:

1. Ryan Fitzpatrick 48
2. Alex Smith 40
3. Eli Manning 39
4. Matt Stafford 38
5. Tony Romo 37
6. Aaron Rodgers 35
6. Matt Leinart 35
8. Tom Brady 33
9. Matt Ryan 32
10. Matt Schaub 31
11. Philip Rivers 30
12. Matt Hasselbeck 29
12. Marc Bulger 29
12. Brady Quinn 29
15. Mark Sanchez 28
15. Peyton Manning 28
15. Drew Brees 28
18. Josh Freeman 27
18. Joe Flacco 27
20. Carson Palmer 26
20. Jay Cutler 26
20. Kyle Orton 26
23. Ben Roethlisberger 25
24. RGIII 24
25. Jason Campbell 23
26. Brett Favre 22
26. Tim Tebow 22
26. Chad Henne 22
29. Cam Newton 21
30. Mike Vick 20
31. Bruce Gradkowski 19
32. Vince Young 15
32. Dan Marino 15
32. Jim Kelly 15
35. Donovan McNabb 14
36. David Garrard 14

So those scores are obviously a great indicator of future NFL success. The correlation is so strong, one wonders why they even make them play the games. They should just award Ryan Fitzpatrick's team the Lombardi trophy every season.

Kilmer72 wrote:Even winning will bring hate.

your team has won nothing but last place for four straight seasons.

Don't want to do it... but why are there 12 responses to this thread? It would make me very happy if no one answers...

I believe right now we are tied for 1st. I also believe the Browns have picked before us 3 of the past 4 drafts (that would include this draft before the trade).

Good thing for the Browns that they won't be picking the selfish wonderlic idiot with no pocket presence.

the poster wrote:you're not getting rg3 though so forget about him....he's a Cleveland brown....and your meaningless win vs the giants at the end of the year cost u him (thank u very much).

you guys will get something like Matt Flynn plus Ryan tannehill. enjoy.

the poster wrote:I'm always right.

So glad.

DarthMonk

Funny how this thread started with alleged criticism that had newly "surfaced" . . . but quickly backpeddled back into the same old sour grapes that have been around since early March.

Well, I laugh, but it's kind of sad, really . . .

Ok Countertrey i will bite. Why would u be happy with no replies to this thread......what am i missing?

He's into starving trolls

Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with.

CT and deadskins, that's my last post to this flaming thread. Promise.

1niksder wrote:He's into starving trolls

Yes. There's nothing more beautiful than a troll, languishing with kwashiorkor.

Late criticism of RG3 merely the annual trip in the time machine
By Mike Freeman | CBSSports.com National NFL Insider

So here we go again. Another draft, another franchise quarterback who happens to be black, portrayed as fake and selfish. Your turn under the racial microscope, Robert Griffin III. Congratulations!

There's no weed, jail, hookers, meth, pick-pocketing, ho'ing, schmo'ing, Wonderlic-blowing, car jackin', tantrum-throwing, grade fixing or middle finger raising that has been associated with Griffin. By almost every account, by almost any rational person in the NFL who has met him, the biggest two words you hear about Griffin are: class act.

Said one NFL scout to me on Friday: "He's a total gentleman." In meeting Griffin at the combine that was my impression as well.

Now, everyone has their issues and secrets. None of this is to portray Griffin as Nelson Mandela. But he's also not the person described by two scouts in the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel. One said this: "Everybody is just assuming because of the Heisman and the socks and all that B.S. ... they are ignoring a lot of bad tape that he's had. I don't think he has vision or pocket feel, which to me are the two most important components of quarterbacking. He's just running around winging it. He's [Michael] Vick, but not as good a thrower.'

"He has better arm action and is more accurate with his deep ball, but he's not as good as Cam Newton. As much as is written about his athleticism, his athleticism under duress in the pocket isn't even close to Cam Newton's. This guy, the only way he gets big plays with his feet is if he's got a wide-open field and the sea opens for him. He's got a little bit of a selfish streak, too. Everybody was laying that on Cam, but for some reason this guy has become gloves off. He doesn't treat anybody good."

A second scout also questioned how Griffin treats others.

First, those scouts compare Griffin only to other black quarterbacks, which is interesting, because I've never felt compelled to compare Larry Bird only to Rick Barry. But for some reason, a significant number of NFL scouts have it stuck in their antiquated heads that black throwers can only be compared to other black throwers, and in this case, RG3 can only be compared to Vick or Newton. Griffin is actually more like a young Aaron Rodgers.

Most of all, when it comes to black quarterbacks expected to go high in the draft, or drafted at all, every year we step into a time machine, and large chunks of the NFL travel back decades to an era when teams looked for any reason not to draft a black thrower. They were too dumb or too inaccurate or were selfish. Buzz words, excuses, balderdash. Just when you think we've entered a post-racial NFL -- or dreamed about a post-racial NFL -- idiocy like this happens.

And it's happened to so many, too numerous to count: Willie Thrower, Marlin Briscoe, James Harris, Joe Gilliam, Warren Moon and Doug Williams, to name a few. Last draft, it happened to Cam Newton.

Yes, indeed, here we go again. Last year, Pro Football Weekly's Nolan Nawrocki wrote about Newton's "fake smile."

There was this from Nawrocki: "Negatives: Played in a simplified, run-first, dive-option read offense with very basic high-low reads. Worked exclusively out of the gun and was very quick to run at the first flash of coverage. Limited field vision -- does not process the passing game. Inconsistent throwing mechanics with a flick delivery -- generates all of his power from his upper-body strength and too often arms the ball. Streaky passer with spotty accuracy. Makes his receivers work hard and throws into coverage. Does not spin a tight spiral. Very disingenuous -- has a fake smile, comes off as very scripted and has a selfish, me-first makeup. Always knows where the cameras are and plays to them. Has an enormous ego with a sense of entitlement that continually invites trouble and makes him believe he is above the law -- does not command respect from teammates and always will struggle to win a locker room. Only a one-year producer. Lacks accountability, focus and trustworthiness -- is not punctual, seeks shortcuts and sets a bad example. Immature and has had issues with authority. Not dependable."

Newton sure did stink last year. He took that fake ass smile all the way to one of the best rookie seasons in league history.

All potential draft picks get the once over by scouts and media. It's part of the business. But black quarterbacks aren't just picked over. They're attacked.

When a guy who seems to be a genuine goody two-shoes (or two-socks) like Griffin is portrayed as phony less than a week before the draft, when nothing like that has ever been stated before, something strange is at work.

"You could say [I'm] surprised, but you never know," Griffin told CBSSports.com on Friday. "It's just when the draft gets closer, everybody's going to try and find something wrong with you to try and pull you down, so I'm not going to sit here and argue that, well that guy is dead wrong. But I think the people that know me -- and even in the people in the media have seen -- know I'm not a selfish guy. You know you don't have to fight your own battles -- let other people fight them for you. That's about all I can say about that. I heard it, but it's not something I'm going to address."

Another year, another draft, another franchise quarterback who happens to be black, portrayed as fake and selfish.

You're officially part of the NFL Draft now, Robert. Congratulations!

^Great Article!

CT, I didn't notice that the poster had started this thread, but it has been a topic of conversation for the past couple of days......so, even though the poster started this thread maybe trying to dampen the spirits of Skin fans on their new soon to be QB, certainly all of the responses I have heard thusfar have repudiated the two "scouts" opinions in question...especially the one who questions the playmaking ability of RGIII. The other one, the character assaination attempt, is just plain dumb as ther is no other evidence I have read or heard to support that conclusion.

Now, RGIII may not work out.....but certainly there is nothing at this point in time that would indicate anything other than the great chance that he will be at least a very good QB in this league.

These "scouts" may be trying to plant negative hype on RGIII to ensure that Irsay actually does take Luck with the first pick....and does not have a last minute change of heart.

That said, I disagree with the premise of the argument of Mike Freeman. Once again the race card is thrown where none needs to be, IMHO. RGIII was going to be drafted no lower than second....so all the character make believe stories in the world is not going to change that. Do you really think that Mike and Bruce are losing sleep over this? Cam had some negatives in his history while he was at Florida.....and his draft status was in flux....but even the negative press he received did not prevent the Panthers from correctly taking him as the first pick in last years draft. Heck, I remember the draft with Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf....where many talking heads preferred Leaf over Manning because Manning choked, and could not win the big one (i.e. beat Florida).

Some of those other QB's mentioned.....like Gilliam, Moon, Williams....actually did face racial stereotyping, and it dramatically impacted their careers. But....I would not classify one article citing two scouts (whose names as well as race are unknown) that will have NO impact on RGIII draft position in that same category.

Just my personal opinion.

rskin72 wrote:The other one, the character assaination attempt, is just plain dumb as ther is no other evidence I have read or heard to support that conclusion.

There are always scouts that are trying to do character assassinations to potential draftees regardless of color, but what Freeman is trying to tell his readers is certain verbage is being used when talking about black quarterbacks and that that certain verbage is consistent with words used in the past.

Freeman wrote:
"They were too dumb or too inaccurate or were selfish. Buzz words, excuses, balderdash. Just when you think we've entered a post-racial NFL -- or dreamed about a post-racial NFL -- idiocy like this happens."

Rskin72 wrote:

Heck, I remember the draft with Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf....where many talking heads preferred Leaf over Manning because Manning choked, and could not win the big one (i.e. beat Florida).

It would be great if Cam and RGIII were criticized with this, but they are criticized with this:

"fake smile" and "selfish"

RGIII's character profile has been spotless until these criticisms were released their stories. Where are the last minute character assasinations on Luck? Where was the "fake smile" labels on Ryan Mallett?

Rskin72 wrote:

That said, I disagree with the premise of the argument of Mike Freeman.

You use the argument that Cam was still drafted #1 and that RGIII will still be drafted #2 as your argument that these QBs are not racially stereotyped. Freeman isn't claiming that Cam and RGIII"s draft status' are being disrupted. He is claiming that the racial stereotyping of black QBs is still going on. He offers as evidence scouts offering up nonsensical character assassinations like "fake smile" and "selfish" Let the criticism stick to ability and players' ability and history- not how one perceives how a guy smiles. What is a "fake smile" anyway?

Once again the race card is thrown where none needs to be, IMHO.

So what are the origins of this silly character assassination attempts on RGIII who has had not one negative article on his character? Where are the character assassinations on Luck? Can't find the negatives on Luck? That's the point. You can't find them on RGIII either, so why do some scouts find it OK to make them up on RGIII?

You point out negatives in Cam Newton and he didn't drop - that is Freeman's point - the last minute assasiantions were unfounded. He had a past, but he moved on except the "fake smile." Ryan Mallett had a past and it was current according to the scouts - thus Mallett dropped like a rocket, but no one accused him of having a "fake smile." That's the point - If the criticism has substance then it is fair. If the criticism uses idiotic sayings and not based on the current then there are alterior motives. Is it always race? Maybe. Maybe not. But why dismiss it so fast when we know we live not in a colorblind society?

Freeman wrote:
"First, those scouts compare Griffin only to other black quarterbacks, which is interesting, because I've never felt compelled to compare Larry Bird only to Rick Barry. But for some reason, a significant number of NFL scouts have it stuck in their antiquated heads that black throwers can only be compared to other black throwers, and in this case, RG3 can only be compared to Vick or Newton. Griffin is actually more like a young Aaron Rodgers."

RGIII is not the type of QB that Vick and Cam are, but yet he is constantly compared to them. He does share the type of speed as Vick but they are not the same kind of runner and not the same kind of passer. I see little similarity in RGIII and Cam. Like Freeman I see RGIII more like Aaron Rodgers because of his build and his pass/run decision making. Why did those scouts only compare RGIII to Vick and Cam? Is Freeman's assertion that a significant number of NFL scouts have anitquated minds when it comes to the black QB correct? I don't know, but it is a legit discussion and IMO, should not be so easily dismissed.

Rskin72 wrote:

Some of those other QB's mentioned.....like Gilliam, Moon, Williams....actually did face racial stereotyping, and it dramatically impacted their careers. But....I would not classify one article citing two scouts (whose names as well as race are unknown) that will have NO impact on RGIII draft position in that same category.

You have made an assertion that the above mentioned QBs have actually faced racial stereotyping. Are saying that RGIII and Cam and other black QBs today face no racial stereotyping?
Overtly or subtly?
I noticed that you point out about "NO impact" on the draft. Are you saying that because it won't, or hasn't in Cam's case, impact the draft, then there is no foul?

Rskins72 wrote:

RGIII was going to be drafted no lower than second....so all the character make believe stories in the world is not going to change that. Do you really think that Mike and Bruce are losing sleep over this? Cam had some negatives in his history while he was at Florida.....and his draft status was in flux....but even the negative press he received did not prevent the Panthers from correctly taking him as the first pick in last years draft.

All of this has nothing to do with Freeman's point and that is the last minute character assassinations were unwarranted and wreak of racism of the past by NFL scouts towards black QBs and in Cam's case his number one draft status validates his point when it comes to Nawrocki's rant.

If those scouts motivations are just about noteriety and nothing else then why not attack Luck with unfounded criticism's

To me this question sums up Freeman's point.

Rskin72

Just my personal opinion.

I saw it as a great article that deserves a discussion somewhere and you saw it as playing the race card where is was not needed, but we do agree that the type of criticism of RGIII reportedly said by these scouts was unwarranted.