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1st - RGIII - about time...
3rd - Best Tackle available
4th - ILB - hopefully to back up
4th - OL - Center from Baylor would be Awesome!
5th - TE - ey is injury prone, Davis is liability and Pulson, who knows
6th - QB - someone like Kellen Moore might be a good fit and could hold a clip board for a while
7th - Depth on OL - DL

This is direction I believe we should be looking in for the draft. I think that Hurt and smith are good depth at OL, but we needs to upgrade in order to move up to the next level. There has been mention that Dallas clark is an interest to Bruce, but I hope ey can return to his old form, but a young set of legs could be good. There is a TE out of Ga that could slip to us due to off the field issues that is very talented.

QB - depth. We will draft RGIII or Luck depending on what the colts decide. Then there is sexy Rex. I dont think that Crompton will be anything and Beck shouldnt be back. Get a guy late like Kellen Moore who is very smart and can learn the offense.

Redskins need to resign Fletcher, Hightower, Fox and bring in some OL for depth.

Thoughts???

Before taking a TE, we need help at the DB positions. This also happens to be the one area this draft is somewhat deep in.

Welcome, Morgan!

I agree with you on most of this. We certainly need to build depth on the OL and ILB (I really hope we can come to an agreement with Fletcher), but I also think we need to look at adding depth in our secondary.

I think that ey will hopefully be able to bounce back this year, although maybe not quite to the level that he used to. TE is an area that will need to be addressed as early as next year. Since ey ain't getting any younger and Fred Davis has had his issues passing those pesky drug tests.

Dallas Clark, although a phenomenal TE is 32 and although could be a stop gap solution, he doesn't really fit in with the youth movement the Shannahans are implementing in Washington.

I can see where you are coming from. Wilson and Hall will start and then Griffin and Barnescan play nickle. Skins might bring back westbrook to help out as well. TE is not very deep this year in the draft and may need to be selected prior for that reason.

44diesel wrote:Welcome, Morgan!

I agree with you on most of this. We certainly need to build depth on the OL and ILB (I really hope we can come to an agreement with Fletcher), but I also think we need to look at adding depth in our secondary.

I think that ey will hopefully be able to bounce back this year, although maybe not quite to the level that he used to. TE is an area that will need to be addressed as early as next year. Since ey ain't getting any younger and Fred Davis has had his issues passing those pesky drug tests.

Dallas Clark, although a phenomenal TE is 32 and although could be a stop gap solution, he doesn't really fit in with the youth movement the Shannahans are implementing in Washington.

I agree, I was just passing along something tht I had read earlier today in case someone had not heard that.

Morgan33 wrote:I agree, I was just passing along something tht I had read earlier today in case someone had not heard that.

Right on. I hadn't actually heard that about Bruce's interest in Clark. (source?)

If for some reason ey wasn't ready to go (or Davis goes one toke over the line) and we got him for the right price I wouldn't mind Clark, but I'm hoping this year, we're set at that position.

Right tackle and saftey at top of list. Please no w r .

Never ever ever ever again should we take a late round QB after spending a top 5 pick on a QB.

44diesel wrote:

Morgan33 wrote:I agree, I was just passing along something tht I had read earlier today in case someone had not heard that.

Right on. I hadn't actually heard that about Bruce's interest in Clark. (source?)

If for some reason ey wasn't ready to go (or Davis goes one toke over the line) and we got him for the right price I wouldn't mind Clark, but I'm hoping this year, we're set at that position.

http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandle ... -back.html

It doesnt say that we want clark, I infered a little, but Allen has clark ranked ahead of Fletcher.

Morgan33 wrote:

44diesel wrote:

Morgan33 wrote:I agree, I was just passing along something tht I had read earlier today in case someone had not heard that.

Right on. I hadn't actually heard that about Bruce's interest in Clark. (source?)

If for some reason ey wasn't ready to go (or Davis goes one toke over the line) and we got him for the right price I wouldn't mind Clark, but I'm hoping this year, we're set at that position.

http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandle ... -back.html

It doesnt say that we want clark, I infered a little, but Allen has clark ranked ahead of Fletcher.

Thanks! However, it's actually Pat Kirwan of CBSsports (the former Jets GM) who has Clark on his list of 25 Best Available Free Agents. The only quote from Allen is that he told Kirwan on his XMradio show that they're working hard to resign London.

Dallas Clark, although a phenomenal TE is 32 and although could be a stop gap solution,

I swear to God if we EVER sign a player called DALLAS.....

I'll start with our 3rd round pick since our 1st is obvious.

3rd - Best available OL or S (with the push going to RT)
4th - Best available OL or ILB (S if not picked in 3rd)
4th - Best available OL or CB (ILB or S if not picked before)
5th - Best available OL or (whatever is left from ILB, S, and CB)
6th - Best available OL or (whatever is left from ILB, S, and CB)
7th - Best available OL or (whatever is left from ILB, S, and CB)

I know this is abit of a cop out, but if they used all of their picks after RG# to draft OL I would be OK with that! Even knowing half wouldn't make the team. The highest priority is RT followed closely by LG and C.

No TE, no OLB, no DE, no DT (unless it is a true NT), no RB, no WR (unless a 1st or 2nd round WR drops to the 3rd or 4th round - respectively).

These are the position I think we still need staters at in order of need:

RT, LG, ILB (if London isn't back), FS, SS.

These are position we either need depth at or player to challenge for starting spot:

ILB, C, CB, CB, LT, RG, true NT.

SouthLondonRedskin wrote:

Dallas Clark, although a phenomenal TE is 32 and although could be a stop gap solution,

I swear to God if we EVER sign a player called DALLAS.....

hahaha! I was thinking the same thing, but I can't deny his ability to catch the football.

SouthLondonRedskin wrote:

Dallas Clark, although a phenomenal TE is 32 and although could be a stop gap solution,

I swear to God if we EVER sign a player called DALLAS.....

Why, Dallas Starz, the LB we drafted a few years back didn't work out well???

GM Hogster's Big Board Including Possible Moves

3rd Round

You can find starters in the 3rd at some positions that are traditionally undervalued such as (Interior O Line & RB). As a result, this pick is huge.

Mitchell Schwartz (OT Cal) Started all 51 games at Cal. First Team All Pac 12. Outstanding Run Blocker & Physical Pass Blocker. Academic All American. Has played Left Tackle. Could become a more athletic Jon Jansen at RT.

LaMichael James RB Oregon: I know, we don't "need" a RB. But, this guy is a late 1st round talent in my view. He's compact, explosive, and elusive. Could become a hybrid of Ray Rice & Darren Sproles. If he's there, he's a steal.

Brandon Washington OG/OT Miami. I admit, that I am a huge advocate of Lamicheal James and I project he will become a top asset out of the backfield. But, I would run to the podium to take versatile interior lineman Washington. He's 6'4 320 with a good deal of athleticism inside. I think he can become a Pro Bowl caliber interior for the Redskins. The 3rd Round is essentially like the early 2nd when it comes to interior O Linemen. If he's the pick, get ready to watch either Kory or
Chester take a seat.

4th Round

While, if I am the GM, I am keeping both of these 4th round picks, one or both of these picks could be packaged to move into the 3rd or 2nd round--depending on how a trade is structured. I'll base my projections on us keeping both.

102 Overall: Chase Minnifield CB Virginia. If he falls this far, this is a no-brainer. At 6 feet and with a long wingspan, he would be a perfect nickle corner. Good pedigree, and went to an excellent school. He's no dummy.

Nigel Bradham ILB FSU. The only reason why he's behind Minnifield is because he plays a position where he may not play immediately. Minnifield could be our Nickle Corner day 1. While, Bradham would be behind Riley & Fletcher at least initially. I am a Riley fan, but Bradham is the kind of freak you want inside. He is a better interior pass rusher than Riley, and he can't be blocked with a running back. Monster. 6'3 240 with a desire to hit people. Nasty streak. I want this guy on my team.


109 Overall: Nate Potter - OT/OG Auburn. We need O Line talent, and Potter has it. Depending on how the early picks turn out, I would be looking at guys like Potter & Washington who are versatile enough to play interior positions.

Ladarious Green TE Louisiana Laffayette: 6'6 Tight End with a 36 inch vertical. Runs a 4.5 forty. Chris ey is getting older, and it would add a tremendous wrinkle to our offense if we could pair Green & Davis at TE for RG 3 to throw too. Especially, if you add a guy like LaMichael James as an explosive RB out of the backfield. And, guys like Brandon Washington, and/or Nate Potter on the O Line. Some might argue that we don't need a TE. I disagree. The Patriots showed what two athletic TE's can do, especially when you get up on the 6'6-6'7 height range. Red Zone threats who can spread the defense out will help RG3 thrive in his early years. Tight Ends are a QBs best friend.

skinsfan#33 wrote:I'll start with our 3rd round pick since our 1st is obvious.

3rd - Best available OL or S (with the push going to RT)
4th - Best available OL or ILB (S if not picked in 3rd)
4th - Best available OL or CB (ILB or S if not picked before)
5th - Best available OL or (whatever is left from ILB, S, and CB)
6th - Best available OL or (whatever is left from ILB, S, and CB)
7th - Best available OL or (whatever is left from ILB, S, and CB)

I know this is abit of a cop out, but if they used all of their picks after RG# to draft OL I would be OK with that! Even knowing half wouldn't make the team. The highest priority is RT followed closely by LG and C.

No TE, no OLB, no DE, no DT (unless it is a true NT), no RB, no WR (unless a 1st or 2nd round WR drops to the 3rd or 4th round - respectively).

These are the position I think we still need staters at in order of need:

RT, LG, ILB (if London isn't back), FS, SS.

These are position we either need depth at or player to challenge for starting spot:

ILB, C, CB, CB, LT, RG, true NT.

+1 I agree!

The original post suggested the center from Baylor. I like the idea of RG3 being comfortable with the guy he's taking his snaps from right out the gate, but admittedly don't know much about him.

What's the word on this guy? Where's he expected to go in the draft?

Morgan33 wrote:Thoughts???

Drafting for position is a great way to have a bomb of a draft.

PAPDOG67 wrote:

SouthLondonRedskin wrote:

Dallas Clark, although a phenomenal TE is 32 and although could be a stop gap solution,

I swear to God if we EVER sign a player called DALLAS.....

Why, Dallas Starz, the LB we drafted a few years back didn't work out well???

WTF were they thinking with that!?!? Must have been a joke gone wrong... "Go on, I dare you to pick him in the draft!" kinda thing.

Could you imagine a CB in Texas called Washington Hogs...?!?

Nah, I guess not.

44diesel wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:I'll start with our 3rd round pick since our 1st is obvious.

3rd - Best available OL or S (with the push going to RT)
4th - Best available OL or ILB (S if not picked in 3rd)
4th - Best available OL or CB (ILB or S if not picked before)
5th - Best available OL or (whatever is left from ILB, S, and CB)
6th - Best available OL or (whatever is left from ILB, S, and CB)
7th - Best available OL or (whatever is left from ILB, S, and CB)

I know this is abit of a cop out, but if they used all of their picks after RG# to draft OL I would be OK with that! Even knowing half wouldn't make the team. The highest priority is RT followed closely by LG and C.

No TE, no OLB, no DE, no DT (unless it is a true NT), no RB, no WR (unless a 1st or 2nd round WR drops to the 3rd or 4th round - respectively).

These are the position I think we still need staters at in order of need:

RT, LG, ILB (if London isn't back), FS, SS.

These are position we either need depth at or player to challenge for starting spot:

ILB, C, CB, CB, LT, RG, true NT.

+1 I agree!

The original post suggested the center from Baylor. I like the idea of RG3 being comfortable with the guy he's taking his snaps from right out the gate, but admittedly don't know much about him.

What's the word on this guy? Where's he expected to go in the draft?

He actually rates favorably versus other Centers and is projected to go 3rd-4th Round.

I like Will Montgomery, and Kory Lichtensteiger can play center as well. I would go with a true interior lineman like Brandon Washington over a Center. I think Washington could start over Kory. Allow Kory to recover from ACL & MCL surgery as our backup Swing Guard/Center. Kory is already undersized at 290lbs. Putting him back inside right away on a refurbished knee is a recipe for disaster for Kory and RG3.

44diesel wrote:Welcome, Morgan!

Dallas Clark, although a phenomenal TE is 32 and although could be a stop gap solution, he doesn't really fit in with the youth movement the Shannahans are implementing in Washington.

I'm sorry, Clark in his prime was as good as ey! His two years in his prime. I know he had one season were he was better than ey, but he had Manning throwing to him what would ey have done in the Colts offense? ey has been much better over his career and is still much better than Clark. ey has 5 seasons with 700 yards or more. DC has two.

Clark has played one more season (seven more game) than ey and has one less catch. True he has more TDs but I say that is more of a factor of Peyton is "slightly" better than the QBs ey has had. Clark averages 47 catches and 543 yards per season, while ey averages 54 and 588.

By the way, ey isn't injury prone. He has had basically two injuries that kept him out of games. He has been available for every game for six out od his eight season. Clark has played one complete season in nine years!

skinsfan#33 wrote:

44diesel wrote:Welcome, Morgan!

Dallas Clark, although a phenomenal TE is 32 and although could be a stop gap solution, he doesn't really fit in with the youth movement the Shannahans are implementing in Washington.

I'm sorry, Clark in his prime was as good as ey! His two years in his prime. I know he had one season were he was better than ey, but he had Manning throwing to him what would ey have done in the Colts offense? ey has been much better over his career and is still much better than Clark. ey has 5 seasons with 700 yards or more. DC has two.

Clark has played one more season (seven more game) than ey and has one less catch. True he has more TDs but I say that is more of a factor of Peyton is "slightly" better than the QBs ey has had. Clark averages 47 catches and 543 yards per season, while ey averages 54 and 588.

By the way, ey isn't injury prone. He has had basically two injuries that kept him out of games. He has been available for every game for six out od his eight season. Clark has played one complete season in nine years!

+1

That's about as thorough an argument in favor of ey over Clark as it gets. I think Ladarious Green deserves some consideration in the draft. He's a freak.

The Hogster wrote:

skinsfan#33 wrote:

44diesel wrote:Welcome, Morgan!

Dallas Clark, although a phenomenal TE is 32 and although could be a stop gap solution, he doesn't really fit in with the youth movement the Shannahans are implementing in Washington.

I'm sorry, Clark in his prime was as good as ey! His two years in his prime. I know he had one season were he was better than ey, but he had Manning throwing to him what would ey have done in the Colts offense? ey has been much better over his career and is still much better than Clark. ey has 5 seasons with 700 yards or more. DC has two.

Clark has played one more season (seven more game) than ey and has one less catch. True he has more TDs but I say that is more of a factor of Peyton is "slightly" better than the QBs ey has had. Clark averages 47 catches and 543 yards per season, while ey averages 54 and 588.

By the way, ey isn't injury prone. He has had basically two injuries that kept him out of games. He has been available for every game for six out od his eight season. Clark has played one complete season in nine years!

+1

That's about as thorough an argument in favor of ey over Clark as it gets. I think Ladarious Green deserves some consideration in the draft. He's a freak.

I agree. I never said Clark was better than ey. I was responding to someone saying that Bruce Allen was interested in Dallas Clark (which he's not).

Dallas Clark had some good years catching the ball from Peyton Manning and had sure hands in the redzone, but Cooley is the man!!! (which I have stated in other threads)

My point was that if ey were for some reason unable to play this season (which he's not), or if Fred Davis screws up and gets suspended (which he has not) then I'd be interested in him. It was a hypothetical statement.

My apologies if that was unclear, but let me rest assured that I think we are set at TE.

Brandon Washington OG/OT Miami



LaMichael James RB Oregon



Mitchell Schwartz OT Cal



Chase Minnifield CB UVA



Nigel Bradham ILB FSU



Nate Potter OG/T Auburn



Ladarius Green TE Lousiana Laffayette



I would be more than satisfied with any 3 of these players with our 3rd & 4th Round picks. If I had it my way, we'd snag Brandon Washington, LaMichael James & Minnifield.

Some really good info in here - well done!

I know we have holes to fill, but I think we gotta make those 3rd and 4th round picks really count this year. Seems to me we gotta draft best player available when our turn comes around whether its an o-lineman like most of us feel we need, or a steal of a RB like the Hogster pointed out.

riggofan wrote:Some really good info in here - well done!

I know we have holes to fill, but I think we gotta make those 3rd and 4th round picks really count this year. Seems to me we gotta draft best player available when our turn comes around whether its an o-lineman like most of us feel we need, or a steal of a RB like the Hogster pointed out.

+1

To me, LaMichael James is this draft's Vincent Jackson. I was really high on Vincent Jackson when he was coming into the NFL. (Somewhere in one of these threads I made my case for him) Instead, we traded out of the 2nd round and picked Jason Campbell. I admit, I expected Jackson to be around in the 3rd. But he wasn't.

This year, I expect James to be that guy. A guy who can change an offense by adding a different dimension.

James runs a 4.37 Forty. And, at 5-10 200lbs. He's compact, and explosive enough to do great things in the stretch scheme, and the screen game. I'd use him as the true change of pace back with Roy Helu as the lead man.

When you have a QB like RG3 who runs a 4.3 and can throw the deep pass accurately. And, a checkdown back who can hit the flats running 4.3. Your offense immediately gets more dynamic. Who do you defend.