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NFL punishes the Saints: suspensions, fines, and draft picks
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:30 pm
by Hooligan
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8 ... aking_news
Sean Payton suspended for a year without pay, Loomis (GM) suspended 8 games, and Gregg Williams suspended indefinitely. Saints fined $500,000 and lose their 2nd round draft picks in 2012 and 2013. Wow.
Normally this would be in Around the League, but I think the Redskins should be very concerned about this, since players admitted the same went on here. The NFL hasn't finished their investigation yet, so punishment for the Redskins organization could be on the horizon. Mostly, I'm worried about us potentially losing draft picks... we need those now more than ever.
Re: NFL punishes the Saints: suspensions, fines, and draft p
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:37 pm
by Deadskins
Hooligan wrote:Normally this would be in Around the League
And it is:
http://thehogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php? ... c&start=19
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:38 pm
by Countertrey
The issue with the Saints is that the head coach was aware. That is "apparently" not the case here... If it happened, the guilty party has been penalized already...
Course, as we are already aware, the NFL is not above conjuring rules from thin air...
Re: NFL punishes the Saints: suspensions, fines, and draft p
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 1:43 pm
by Hooligan
Yes, it was mentioned in a reply to a thread about the Saints. This thread is about whether the Redskins need to be concerned about being penalized similarly. It seems likely to me that we'll get something, since it originated here and happened for quite a while. That, and the NFL seems to enjoy beating us down.
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:00 pm
by 1niksder
Hooligan wrote:Yes, it was mentioned in a reply to a thread about the Saints. This thread is about whether the Redskins need to be concerned about being penalized similarly. It seems likely to me that we'll get something, since it originated here and happened for quite a while. That, and the NFL seems to enjoy beating us down.
Penalties are not strictly for running the bounty program, but mainly for their denial of it and refusal to stop it.
Re: NFL punishes the Saints: suspensions, fines, and draft p
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:05 pm
by riggofan
Hooligan wrote:It seems likely to me that we'll get something, since it originated here and happened for quite a while. That, and the NFL seems to enjoy beating us down.
Do we really know it "originated" here? Williams was a head coach in Buffalo and a def. coordinator in Tennessee for years before coming here.
Its a good question though. It seems to me that this is so far in the past as far as the Redskins are concerned. None of the coaches involved are here anymore. How many players are still here? Even so, I wouldn't put anything past Goodell. He might penalize us a couple picks and suspend Dan Snyder for a year.
I'm really shocked by this penalty. I can understand the punishment for Williams, but suspending Payton for an entire year just strikes me as ridiculously harsh.
Re: NFL punishes the Saints: suspensions, fines, and draft p
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:17 pm
by 1niksder
riggofan wrote:Hooligan wrote:It seems likely to me that we'll get something, since it originated here and happened for quite a while. That, and the NFL seems to enjoy beating us down.
Do we really know it "originated" here? Williams was a head coach in Buffalo and a def. coordinator in Tennessee for years before coming here.
Its a good question though. It seems to me that this is so far in the past as far as the Redskins are concerned. None of the coaches involved are here anymore. How many players are still here? Even so, I wouldn't put anything past Goodell. He might penalize us a couple picks and suspend Dan Snyder for a year.
I'm really shocked by this penalty. I can understand the punishment for Williams, but suspending Payton for an entire year just strikes me as ridiculously harsh.
Payton lied during the original investigation, as did Lommis and GW
Re: NFL punishes the Saints: suspensions, fines, and draft p
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:24 pm
by riggofan
1niksder wrote:riggofan wrote:Hooligan wrote:It seems likely to me that we'll get something, since it originated here and happened for quite a while. That, and the NFL seems to enjoy beating us down.
Do we really know it "originated" here? Williams was a head coach in Buffalo and a def. coordinator in Tennessee for years before coming here.
Its a good question though. It seems to me that this is so far in the past as far as the Redskins are concerned. None of the coaches involved are here anymore. How many players are still here? Even so, I wouldn't put anything past Goodell. He might penalize us a couple picks and suspend Dan Snyder for a year.
I'm really shocked by this penalty. I can understand the punishment for Williams, but suspending Payton for an entire year just strikes me as ridiculously harsh.
Payton lied during the original investigation, as did Lommis and GW
Yeah? Was it "under oath" as well? hah. I still think Payton's punishment is over the top. The team owners should be taking a hard look at how Goodell uses his authority. Never know when its going to come back around on one of them.
Re: NFL punishes the Saints: suspensions, fines, and draft p
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:37 pm
by Irn-Bru
But it's also big enough news to deserve its own thread. Moving . . .
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:34 pm
by DarthMonk
I take it GW's "indefinite" suspension is at least a year since the commish will "review his status at the end of the 2012 season."
DarthMonk
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:39 pm
by 1niksder
DarthMonk wrote:I take it GW's "indefinite" suspension is at least a year since the commish will "review his status at the end of the 2012 season."
DarthMonk
Yep and his reinstatement will be based on his co-operation
as the investigation proceeds
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:40 pm
by Countertrey
Sucks to be the Rams... they are collateral damage.
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:42 pm
by 1niksder
Countertrey wrote:Sucks to be the Rams... they are collateral damage.
Fisher says he had no idea about bounty gate.... truth or trying to cover the Titans?
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:04 pm
by 1niksder
1niksder wrote:DarthMonk wrote:I take it GW's "indefinite" suspension is at least a year since the commish will "review his status at the end of the 2012 season."
DarthMonk
Yep and his reinstatement will be based on his co-operation
as the investigation proceeds
Which has nothing to do with the Redskins
While suspending former Redskins defensive coordinator Gregg Williams indefinitely in connection with the bounty scandal while he was in New Orleans, the NFL has cleared the Redskins of any wrongdoing while Williams was with the team.
In the statement announcing the suspensions read in part:
“While NFL staff has interviewed people in connection with public allegations of bounty programs at other clubs, no evidence was established showing that the programs at other clubs involved targeting opposing players or rewarding players for injuring an opponent.”
Those “other clubs” included the Redskins as well as the Bills, Titans and Jaguars, the other teams that Williams has coached.
Re: NFL punishes the Saints: suspensions, fines, and draft p
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:33 pm
by yupchagee
riggofan wrote:Hooligan wrote:It seems likely to me that we'll get something, since it originated here and happened for quite a while. That, and the NFL seems to enjoy beating us down.
Do we really know it "originated" here? Williams was a head coach in Buffalo and a def. coordinator in Tennessee for years before coming here.
Its a good question though. It seems to me that this is so far in the past as far as the Redskins are concerned. None of the coaches involved are here anymore. How many players are still here? Even so, I wouldn't put anything past Goodell.
He might penalize us a couple picks and suspend Dan Snyder for a year.I'm really shocked by this penalty. I can understand the punishment for Williams, but suspending Payton for an entire year just strikes me as ridiculously harsh.
Losing picks & losing Snyder. Sound like we would come out even
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:51 pm
by 1niksder
While suspending former Redskins defensive coordinator Gregg Williams indefinitely in connection with the bounty scandal while he was in New Orleans, the NFL has cleared the Redskins of any wrongdoing while Williams was with the team.
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:33 pm
by Deadskins
Warren Sapp just said it was Jeremy Shockey who ratted out the Saints coaches.
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:41 pm
by 1niksder
Deadskins wrote:Warren Sapp just said it was Jeremy Shockey who ratted out the Saints coaches.
Shockey has denied it and now tweeter is their battleground. two guys from the U. I don't know if it'll be funny or sad but they both love to tweet. So it's coming
Warren Sapp says on NFL Network that he got information on who was informant to the NFL from a source, and that he trusts that source.
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:23 pm
by Irn-Bru
1niksder wrote:Deadskins wrote:Warren Sapp just said it was Jeremy Shockey who ratted out the Saints coaches.
Shockey has denied it and now tweeter is their battleground. two guys from the U. I don't know if it'll be funny or sad but they both love to tweet. So it's coming
Warren Sapp says on NFL Network that he got information on who was informant to the NFL from a source, and that he trusts that source.
Two morons. They've both merited whatever ill comes their way.
Re: NFL punishes the Saints: suspensions, fines, and draft p
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:33 pm
by JiveTurkee
riggofan wrote:1niksder wrote:riggofan wrote:Hooligan wrote:It seems likely to me that we'll get something, since it originated here and happened for quite a while. That, and the NFL seems to enjoy beating us down.
Do we really know it "originated" here? Williams was a head coach in Buffalo and a def. coordinator in Tennessee for years before coming here.
Its a good question though. It seems to me that this is so far in the past as far as the Redskins are concerned. None of the coaches involved are here anymore. How many players are still here? Even so, I wouldn't put anything past Goodell. He might penalize us a couple picks and suspend Dan Snyder for a year.
I'm really shocked by this penalty. I can understand the punishment for Williams, but suspending Payton for an entire year just strikes me as ridiculously harsh.
Payton lied during the original investigation, as did Lommis and GW
Yeah? Was it "under oath" as well? hah.
I still think Payton's punishment is over the top. The team owners should be taking a hard look at how Goodell uses his authority. Never know when its going to come back around on one of them.
This commisioner is a laughingstock. Unfortunately, he's going to be around a long time.
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:43 pm
by Countertrey
^ Not if he continues to accumulate enemies among ownership... at some point, a critical mass will be reached.
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:39 pm
by CanesSkins26
The NFL owner's meeting is next week, I think. That should be an interesting meeting to say the least.
Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:51 pm
by Hooligan
1niksder wrote:While suspending former Redskins defensive coordinator Gregg Williams indefinitely in connection with the bounty scandal while he was in New Orleans, the NFL has cleared the Redskins of any wrongdoing while Williams was with the team.
Good to hear... on to the draft!
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:01 pm
by the poster
in light of the very latest news that the Greg Williams dropped $15k on a table in front of Redskins and told them that "Brad Johnson does not finish this game", the Redskins likely will be the next to be investigated.
Yes, the league said they closed the case on the Redskins. That was before this story:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... n-in-2006/
Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:09 pm
by the poster
Skins could be next in line for major penalties. Again, these stories are brand new, coming out after the league "closed the case" on washington.
they could find these to be even worse than new orleans and require a new investigation of washington.
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/03/ ... ashington/