I want the Colts to pick ...
Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 3:59 pm
... Luck or RGIII?
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Countertrey wrote:Luck... the better quarterback out of the box... but long term for the Redskins, Shanahan can open a larger variety of plays involving quarterback movement, and, therefore, much more dynamic offensive play with RGIII under center. A pass first quarterback who moves laterally will give defensive backs fits... extending plays, and giving receivers more time to gain separation, effectively improving THEIR play... making them appear better than they are. Put one or two elite receivers back there, and you have opportunities for a tremendous vertical offense.
langleyparkjoe wrote:luck
rg3 is da next vick
thats what we need
go skins
superbowl bound baby
tribeofjudah wrote:..........my left butt cheek
Countertrey wrote:langleyparkjoe wrote:luck
rg3 is da next vick
thats what we need
go skins
superbowl bound baby
RG3 is no Vick... Griffin actually understands football. Apparently, when the Redskins interviewed him, they were blown away by his ability to break down their offense.
Redskin in Canada wrote:Either would be GREAT for us. and the Cols
However, I prefer RGIII for them and Luck for us.
Reason: RGIII is more likely to get injured. He had already a knee injury and a running QB in the NFL is a non-lasting commodity.
Luck, on the other hand, is almost just as fast running but has a tendency not to gamble running beyond the line.
All I need is a QB who extends plays. If I wanted a runner, I would get a good RB.
Countertrey wrote:Redskin in Canada wrote:Either would be GREAT for us. and the Cols
However, I prefer RGIII for them and Luck for us.
Reason: RGIII is more likely to get injured. He had already a knee injury and a running QB in the NFL is a non-lasting commodity.
Luck, on the other hand, is almost just as fast running but has a tendency not to gamble running beyond the line.
All I need is a QB who extends plays. If I wanted a runner, I would get a good RB.
You need to watch more film, RiC. RG3 prefers NOT to run. He is pass first, all the way. His ability, however, forces defenses to be aware. He uses his ability to run as a tool to help open up his receivers... not as his first option after his first read. He likes to move laterally, forcing defenses to come up, giving more opportunities for his receivers to get separation. He understands progressions, and will go through all of them before taking off. He is a very quick learner.
He is NOT a running QB. He IS a passing QB who can run, and is very disciplined in that. If he is able to stand in the pocket, he'll do that all day long.
Ben Rothliberger extends plays with his physical strength, and ability to fend off pass rushers. RGIII extends plays with his legs and cunning. He runs only when he has no clear options. People keep making comparisons with Mike Vick... people... this is NOT just a bigger version of Vick. You will be blown away by what this kid can do.
Countertrey wrote:Redskin in Canada wrote:Either would be GREAT for us. and the Cols
However, I prefer RGIII for them and Luck for us.
Reason: RGIII is more likely to get injured. He had already a knee injury and a running QB in the NFL is a non-lasting commodity.
Luck, on the other hand, is almost just as fast running but has a tendency not to gamble running beyond the line.
All I need is a QB who extends plays. If I wanted a runner, I would get a good RB.
You need to watch more film, RiC. RG3 prefers NOT to run. He is pass first, all the way. His ability, however, forces defenses to be aware. He uses his ability to run as a tool to help open up his receivers... not as his first option after his first read. He likes to move laterally, forcing defenses to come up, giving more opportunities for his receivers to get separation. He understands progressions, and will go through all of them before taking off. He is a very quick learner.
He is NOT a running QB. He IS a passing QB who can run, and is very disciplined in that. If he is able to stand in the pocket, he'll do that all day long.
Ben Rothliberger extends plays with his physical strength, and ability to fend off pass rushers. RGIII extends plays with his legs and cunning. He runs only when he has no clear options. People keep making comparisons with Mike Vick... people... this is NOT just a bigger version of Vick. You will be blown away by what this kid can do.
Countertrey wrote:Redskin in Canada wrote:Either would be GREAT for us. and the Cols
However, I prefer RGIII for them and Luck for us.
Reason: RGIII is more likely to get injured. He had already a knee injury and a running QB in the NFL is a non-lasting commodity.
Luck, on the other hand, is almost just as fast running but has a tendency not to gamble running beyond the line.
All I need is a QB who extends plays. If I wanted a runner, I would get a good RB.
You need to watch more film, RiC. RG3 prefers NOT to run. He is pass first, all the way. His ability, however, forces defenses to be aware. He uses his ability to run as a tool to help open up his receivers... not as his first option after his first read. He likes to move laterally, forcing defenses to come up, giving more opportunities for his receivers to get separation. He understands progressions, and will go through all of them before taking off. He is a very quick learner.
He is NOT a running QB. He IS a passing QB who can run, and is very disciplined in that. If he is able to stand in the pocket, he'll do that all day long.
Ben Rothliberger extends plays with his physical strength, and ability to fend off pass rushers. RGIII extends plays with his legs and cunning. He runs only when he has no clear options. People keep making comparisons with Mike Vick... people... this is NOT just a bigger version of Vick. You will be blown away by what this kid can do.
DarthMonk wrote:RayNAustin wrote:Here's my main point of all this rambling I've done. Generally, if you look at the overall stats for success rate of number 1 pick QBs ... about half of them turn out good to great. The other half average to total busts. That 50% success rate is one of the age old mysteries and risks in securing a franchise QB. It's absolutely a gamble, if it were easy, EVERYONE would have an Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Manning.
Once in a while, guys come along like Manning, and Rivers that SCREAM "I'm the man" ! That's Luck ... and my opinion is, he's probably an 80-90% type, rather than the standard 50/50 coin flip. To elaborate ... I wouldn't trade any picks for Barkley or RGIII ... both have potential to become good QBs in the NFL if you give them a couple of years of grooming ... but their potential to become Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers types I don't think is anywhere close to Andrew Luck, and therefore, I might use my #1 pick on Barkley (but he's not coming out), but I wouldn't trade up to get him.
So far so good.RayNAustin wrote:And I flat out wouldn't draft RGIII at all. RGIII is a great athlete, and an excellent college QB. But he's a runner, that is too prone to bail out, and running QBs don't have much history of success in the NFL. He's a Michael Vick impersonator without Vick's ability, and is too slightly built to take the pounding Vick takes. He's not a franchise QB, and neither is Jones.
We differ here. RGIII looks to move to throw. He's not Aaron Rodgers but he looks down field while moving like Rodgers does and seeks to throw first like Rodgers does for sure. He is a QB who can run - not a runner who can throw. He is not prone to bail out the way Vick and many others do.
Vick himself can't take the pounding Vick does. He (Vick) runs too much. RGIII is 2 inches taller and 20 pounds heavier and looks to pass first. RGIII is same height and weight as Rodgers. How about Vick is an RGIII impersanator without RGIII's size???!!!
Vick takes off and runs on 23% of his drops.
Rodgers does this on 11% of his.
RGIII does so on 30% of his in college.
Vick did so on 40% of his college drops.
I'd expect RGIII's running rate to halve like Vick's did. It better!RayNAustin wrote:But even if Barkley and RGIII were coming out, Luck is still the only legitimate franchise level QB of the bunch ... the rest of those guys are potentially good QBs, but not likely great QBs, which is why I think we should break the bank for Luck.
Is it a risk? All draft picks are risks. You just measure how big the risk is. And with Luck, the risk is as minimal as has been the case since Manning or Rivers were drafted.
The rest here is mostly opinion and is quite defendable.
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