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So lets assume Browns trade up for RG3, would we have to take Tannehil at #6... Miami picks at #8 and also needs a QB, so we may not be able to trade down to get him... or do you think Miami may use their #8 on a different position?

If we don't get rgiii or sign a better qb then we are screwed.
Tannehil isn't a top ten pick and we could miss him if we don't take him @ six. Taking best available might work if he is there in round two but is a big risk if he is our guy. We could trade for a later round one and a round two or three but then again he might be off the board. Its all a gamble...

There is so much speculation going on because free agency hasn't happened. We know most likely there will be two QB's out there available. That's Peyton Manning and Matt Flynn. They are going to land somewhere and most likely those landing spots will be at places that are being speculated to be going after a QB in the draft. I think that Peyton ends up in Miami - they have offensive weapons and Flynn ends up in Miami if Peyton doesn't go there or the Browns. I say Browns b/c they run the WCO. Don't be shocked about Seattle also though. They'll be a player.

If Flynn is what he appeared to be ... then he'll likely go to Miami, since his old OC is now the HC. He's the best guy to judge Flynn's value, particularly if he's going to install a GB offense. If they don't hard charge Flynn, that's a red flag on him, and maybe Peyton does go there.

As for Peyton Manning, I see him in Seattle (if not Miami) ... they're building a solid team, and Peyton would make them an instant contender in their division, since they aren't going anywhere with T. Jackson. They need a QB as badly as anyone ... and it wouldn't be a surprise at all if they went hard after RG3.

I just hope the Redskins don't get cold feet with the picks and back away from the #2, and take Tannehill with the 6. He's not a 6 pick .... he's a 2nd rd pick that's moved up due to desperate need for QBs, but no way a top 10. He's got potential, but he's a guy that needs to go somewhere where he can sit and learn for a couple of years.

Shanny needs RG3 .... we need RB3 .... and that's a deal that needs to get done. Wave a Baylor Jersey past his nose, give him the scent .. and turn loose the Danny.

If we get Tannehill, I'm paying that he becomes the next Andy Dalton.

If we take Tannehill at #6 (which is what I hope we do) then we will not have to sell the estate. Get some players in much needed positions around him and develop.

Lets not be so fast to fall back into the old ways.

frankcal20 wrote:There is so much speculation going on because free agency hasn't happened. We know most likely there will be two QB's out there available. That's Peyton Manning and Matt Flynn. They are going to land somewhere and most likely those landing spots will be at places that are being speculated to be going after a QB in the draft. I think that Peyton ends up in Miami - they have offensive weapons and Flynn ends up in Miami if Peyton doesn't go there or the Browns. I say Browns b/c they run the WCO. Don't be shocked about Seattle also though. They'll be a player.

This is absolutely correct, there are a few deals in the making that can change the face of the draft...

cowboykillerzRED wrote:If we don't get rgiii or sign a better qb then we are screwed.
Tannehil isn't a top ten pick and we could miss him if we don't take him @ six. Taking best available might work if he is there in round two but is a big risk if he is our guy. We could trade for a later round one and a round two or three but then again he might be off the board. Its all a gamble...

I'm all for trading the house for RG3. You can compensate for other positions, it's worth what it takes to get a franchise QB.

But if that doesn't work out, no way we should use the #6 pick on a second round QB. The road to hell is littered with QB's teams reached for who didn't make it in the NFL and that's the mother of reaches. If we can't get RG3, we need to get an impact player with the #6 pick. I'd be for trading to late first round if he's still there. But I don't want the massive reach to #6.

Yeah, it seems like we'd probably take Tannehill at #6 if the RGIII trade doesn't happen.

My only hesitation with this is that I know he's supposedly the #3 QB in the draft this year so far, but we haven't seen him workout, etc; I haven't even seen anything definitive that Shanahan likes him. So this is all just massive speculation on the part of the media and fans.

Also, I'm still skeptical about this Matt Flynn to the Browns talk personally. I'm still not sure why that would be such a great fit or why one of the top FA QBs this year would choose to go there. "They run the WCO" is a really meaningless statement anymore.

I don't want to go Tannehill at 6, and if we try and get cute and trade down, someone will probably pick him up, leaving us absolutely screwed. Tannehill, is a long shot to becoming a franchise player. Good QB, sure, but so was Campbell. We need to have better odds at capturing a franchise QB. I have reviewed tape on Tannehill and I'm still not seeing what the fascination is. Please steer me to something that shows otherwise.

I'd prefer Russel Wilson in high heels over Tannehill.

To be QB I mean!

He's a better player and leader than Tannehill, just a little short...

I'm all for Russell Wilson. The guy is a leader, worker and most importantly a winner. He can do more with less - see his NC State days. While UNC was putting guys in the NFL every year and was consistantly touted as the pre-season ACC pick to play for a BCS Game, Russell Wilson was essentially the "Goat Slayer."

He doesn't turn the ball over.
He's a pocket passer 1st
When the pocket breaks down, he has a great feel
Runs the bootleg as good as any NFL QB.

I can go on and on about the guy as a player and have spoken with him a number of times and he really is as good of a person as he is a QB. His ONLY knock is his size but he's only 1 inch shorter than Drew Brees and while Brees' height was heavily scrutinized, he's made it work to his advantage. Russell does the same.

chiefhog44 wrote:I don't want to go Tannehill at 6, and if we try and get cute and trade down, someone will probably pick him up, leaving us absolutely screwed. Tannehill, is a long shot to becoming a franchise player. Good QB, sure, but so was Campbell. We need to have better odds at capturing a franchise QB. I have reviewed tape on Tannehill and I'm still not seeing what the fascination is. Please steer me to something that shows otherwise.

The fascination is that the guy has a big arm, athletic, and tall. Keep in mind he is very coachable. Dude has only played QB for a few years. With the right QB coach I think he could be a steal in a few years when we look back at this draft.

ATX_Skins wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:I don't want to go Tannehill at 6, and if we try and get cute and trade down, someone will probably pick him up, leaving us absolutely screwed. Tannehill, is a long shot to becoming a franchise player. Good QB, sure, but so was Campbell. We need to have better odds at capturing a franchise QB. I have reviewed tape on Tannehill and I'm still not seeing what the fascination is. Please steer me to something that shows otherwise.

The fascination is that the guy has a big arm, athletic, and tall. Keep in mind he is very coachable. Dude has only played QB for a few years. With the right QB coach I think he could be a steal in a few years when we look back at this draft.

Ouch you just described Jason Campbell to a T.

I don't think Tannenhill is worthy of the #6 pick. If we don't land RG3, my guess is we either (i) attempt to trade back and take Tannenhill, or (ii) select BPA and perhaps move up for Weeden or wait for him at 39.

The Hogster wrote:I don't think Tannenhill is worthy of the #6 pick. If we don't land RG3, my guess is we either (i) attempt to trade back and take Tannenhill, or (ii) select BPA and perhaps move up for Weeden or wait for him at 39.

Exactly, we can trade back for Tannehill and try to continue the trend of young talent.

riggofan wrote:

ATX_Skins wrote:

chiefhog44 wrote:I don't want to go Tannehill at 6, and if we try and get cute and trade down, someone will probably pick him up, leaving us absolutely screwed. Tannehill, is a long shot to becoming a franchise player. Good QB, sure, but so was Campbell. We need to have better odds at capturing a franchise QB. I have reviewed tape on Tannehill and I'm still not seeing what the fascination is. Please steer me to something that shows otherwise.

The fascination is that the guy has a big arm, athletic, and tall. Keep in mind he is very coachable. Dude has only played QB for a few years. With the right QB coach I think he could be a steal in a few years when we look back at this draft.

Ouch you just described Jason Campbell to a T.

^ This. Trade back to get him, if anything.

Tannehill Booooo!

I dont know if any of you know? Tannehill played wide receiver his junior season and just barely converted to QB. He has done a decent job but there is no way we should take him at no. 6. Heck I dont want him at all. Nothing against the kid but I want RG3 or Luck. If not I say we take the nose tackle from memphis or trade down.

HEROHAMO wrote:I dont know if any of you know? Tannehill played wide receiver his junior season and just barely converted to QB. He has done a decent job but there is no way we should take him at no. 6. Heck I dont want him at all. Nothing against the kid but I want RG3 or Luck. If not I say we take the nose tackle from memphis or trade down.

I'm interested in Tannehill late first early second, else we should let him go.

As for #6, if we're there I want to see who's available. I'd be interested in Blackmon or Claiborne.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:I dont know if any of you know? Tannehill played wide receiver his junior season and just barely converted to QB. He has done a decent job but there is no way we should take him at no. 6. Heck I dont want him at all. Nothing against the kid but I want RG3 or Luck. If not I say we take the nose tackle from memphis or trade down.

I'm interested in Tannehill late first early second, else we should let him go.

As for #6, if we're there I want to see who's available. I'd be interested in Blackmon or Claiborne.

Blackmon is a heck of a player. I am just hesitant to draft a WR that early. All though I wouldnt be to hurt about it. Claiborne is a stud as well no prob there.

If I had the choice at no. 6 and LucK, Griffin and no trade down is possible. It would be Dontari Poe. Since it is very difficult to find quality NTs and there are very few good NTs in this league. I would think this is a no brainer for plan B or C.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1717351

Tannehill was a QB his whole life. He was asked to play WR one year b/c they had a starting QB Steven McGee who is currently the backup in Dallas.

frankcal20 wrote:Tannehill was a QB his whole life. He was asked to play WR one year b/c they had a starting QB Steven McGee who is currently the backup in Dallas.

Just would rather us pass on him altogether. I just dont see what a "mediocre" IMHO prospect would do for this team.

I say we go for the big prospects and if not resort to a plan C. I think Plan A would be RG/Luck and plan B would be Luck/RG3. If that doesnt pan out then we must have a good plan C. I will elaborate more on my plan C in GM forum.

HEROHAMO wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:Tannehill was a QB his whole life. He was asked to play WR one year b/c they had a starting QB Steven McGee who is currently the backup in Dallas.

Just would rather us pass on him altogether. I just dont see what a "mediocre" IMHO prospect would do for this team.

I say we go for the big prospects and if not resort to a plan C. I think Plan A would be RG/Luck and plan B would be Luck/RG3. If that doesnt pan out then we must have a good plan C. I will elaborate more on my plan C in GM forum.

A guy that is going to get drafted in the first round is a "mediocre" prospect? Yea, ok.

The Hogster wrote:I don't think Tannenhill is worthy of the #6 pick. If we don't land RG3, my guess is we either (i) attempt to trade back and take Tannenhill, or (ii) select BPA and perhaps move up for Weeden or wait for him at 39.

If we don't get Luck or RG, I say draft Blackmon at #6 and then Russell Wilson in the second round. Wilson was probably the most skilled college QB last year, in spite of Luck or RG. He's too short, but as someone has mentioned, he's almost as tall as Brees.