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- A quick comparison between Jabar Gaffney and DeSean Jackson:
And DeSean might get tagged

That's $9.5M for 2012, Gaffney has $2.65M coming.

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That's beautiful.

except that it was a really bad year for Desean and a career year for Gaffney, DJax has a much higher upside, and that's about as much as we're going to see from Gaffney.

Don't get me wrong, I like Gaffney and think he was a really good pickup. But DJax is a game changer

Skeletor wrote:except that it was a really bad year for Desean and a career year for Gaffney, DJax has a much higher upside, and that's about as much as we're going to see from Gaffney.

Don't get me wrong, I like Gaffney and think he was a really good pickup. But DJax is a game changer

Exactly. Jackson has gone or over 1000 yards twice in the past three seasons, and Gaffney has topped 1000 yards....never. Jackson also is a deep threat, which Gaffney is not and which we are severely lacking.

I think you are entirely missing the point... While stats can certainly be misleading... Gafney was a bargain. A reliable, receiver... clutch at times.

Victor Cruz was a bargain, 1,500 yards for a half million dollars.

Gaffney was a good pick up and could be 3rd or 4th on the depth chart if we sign a free agent receiver and Hankerson comes back healthy...

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Skeletor wrote:except that it was a really bad year for Desean and a career year for Gaffney, DJax has a much higher upside, and that's about as much as we're going to see from Gaffney.

Don't get me wrong, I like Gaffney and think he was a really good pickup. But DJax is a game changer

Exactly. Jackson has gone or over 1000 yards twice in the past three seasons, and Gaffney has topped 1000 yards....never. Jackson also is a deep threat, which Gaffney is not and which we are severely lacking.

DeSean had a bad year because he spent it complaining about not getting paid instead of running his routes, and telling anyone that would listen how great he is. Where's the upside in that. He might have had two 1000 yards seasons but like you say it's a "what have you done lately"

Lately Gaffney has been catching more balls than Jackson.... That's the bottom line. The lin above that says Jackson was being thrown to by Mike Vick while Gaffney was playing catch with Orton and Grossman.

You can say what you want about stats, we can see who earned their money last year. Gaffney is under contract, Jackson is still talking about the one he wants.

Skeletor wrote:Victor Cruz was a bargain, 1,500 yards for a half million dollars.

Gaffney was a good pick up and could be 3rd or 4th on the depth chart if we sign a free agent receiver and Hankerson comes back healthy...

+1

Skeletor wrote:Victor Cruz was a bargain, 1,500 yards for a half million dollars.

Gaffney was a good pick up and could be 3rd or 4th on the depth chart if we sign a free agent receiver and Hankerson comes back healthy...

And something we hoped we had in Armstrong. Same type of guy. Diamond in the rough. UFA who blossomed. Armstrong for whatever reason just didn't click this year. I can only hope he's working VERY hard because everyone on the team said he's fast as hell and has GREAT hands. I think it's going to come down to him selling his routes better. That is all.

frankcal20 wrote:

Skeletor wrote:Victor Cruz was a bargain, 1,500 yards for a half million dollars.

Gaffney was a good pick up and could be 3rd or 4th on the depth chart if we sign a free agent receiver and Hankerson comes back healthy...

And something we hoped we had in Armstrong. Same type of guy. Diamond in the rough. UFA who blossomed. Armstrong for whatever reason just didn't click this year. I can only hope he's working VERY hard because everyone on the team said he's fast as hell and has GREAT hands. I think it's going to come down to him selling his routes better. That is all.

My whole point was DJax is about to get paid and Gaffney out performed him and only cost a Jeremy Jarmon to the Broncos along with a 6th round pick last year and will cost about a third of what Jackson will get.

Not sure what happened with AAA last season though he did pick it up once he got out of "The Dog House"

1niksder wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Skeletor wrote:except that it was a really bad year for Desean and a career year for Gaffney, DJax has a much higher upside, and that's about as much as we're going to see from Gaffney.

Don't get me wrong, I like Gaffney and think he was a really good pickup. But DJax is a game changer

Exactly. Jackson has gone or over 1000 yards twice in the past three seasons, and Gaffney has topped 1000 yards....never. Jackson also is a deep threat, which Gaffney is not and which we are severely lacking.

DeSean had a bad year because he spent it complaining about not getting paid instead of running his routes, and telling anyone that would listen how great he is. Where's the upside in that. He might have had two 1000 yards seasons but like you say it's a "what have you done lately"

Lately Gaffney has been catching more balls than Jackson.... That's the bottom line. The lin above that says Jackson was being thrown to by Mike Vick while Gaffney was playing catch with Orton and Grossman.

You can say what you want about stats, we can see who earned their money last year. Gaffney is under contract, Jackson is still talking about the one he wants.

I agree that Gaffney is one of the best examples of the solid moves our FO has been making. I do think the stats are enlightening. For those who are making qualifications on the stats: how many of you, honestly, would have been able to name the relative production of those two receivers side by side? I wouldn't have before opening the thread but would just have assumed Jackson played better — attitude problem and all.

Jackson is obviously more talented and is probably the better player . . . when he wants to be, and that's the problem for the Eagles. If they put a franchise tag on him, who's to say that he'll play like a $10 million dollar star? The fact is that Jackson could get more elsewhere if the Eagles let him go, so he might very well stay disgruntled into next year.

It's a risk, at any rate.

I'd love to have the talent of a DeSean Jackson at WR, and maybe we'll get closer after FA and the draft this year (thanks, Vinny and Kelly and Thomas!). But I am very glad that we are not playing poker with any of our franchise players. The people who didn't want to be here are almost entirely gone.

let's put it this way, would any of you hesitate to trade Gaffney for Jackson straight up?

Skeletor wrote:let's put it this way, would any of you hesitate to trade Gaffney for Jackson straight up?

Not a team guy... I wouldn't hesitate before I passed. I'd trade him for a QB... almost ANY QB

Skeletor wrote:let's put it this way, would any of you hesitate to trade Gaffney for Jackson straight up?

Of course not, in terms of talent and ability. But that doesn't mean Jackson had the best production at WR last year or that he's going to be worth what he gets paid.

Yeah, that's right, he's not a 'team' guy. We've got rid of a lot of that type of player, don't want him here to be honest.

Yeah, he's better than Gaffney with last season being an exception rather than a rule, but other WR's interest me more than him.

Gaffney stepped up after our TE crisis and was a stand-out 3rd down option, picking up countless 1st downs with 5 - 10 yard gains. He can continue to offer us that even with Davis/Cooley back in the team, probably more effectively so too.

Total bargain with a good attitude.

We do need a deep threat, I don't know what was wrong with Armstrong last year, looked incapable of finding any space and it wasn't as if Rex wasn't looking long often...

Got to go for Blackmon or Floyd in the draft if we trade a QB in IMO....

Skeletor wrote:let's put it this way, would any of you hesitate to trade Gaffney for Jackson straight up?

that is really pointless - who cares

this is a team game and Gaffney helped the offense he was with better than Jackson did in Philly

there is no question who is the better player but ..... Gaffney would have had even better numbers with the same offense that Jackson had

it means nothing - we need a WR with Jackson's talents but also with Gaffney's desire to help the offense

this FO is not bringing in "it's all about me" players like Jackson


man I hope this kid get's treated in the manner he deserves - wasted talent - he needs to grow up

Skeletor wrote:let's put it this way, would any of you hesitate to trade Gaffney for Jackson straight up?

Yes, I can say that I would hesitate. I'd rather have the player that fits the scheme, fits the locker room, and that houses the work ethic and overall demeamor of the team.

DeSean Jackson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Kz7YUdy-Cg

I think its worth pointing out that Gaffney hit those numbers with Grossman at QB. And three games with John Beck!

Countertrey wrote:I think you are entirely missing the point... While stats can certainly be misleading... Gafney was a bargain. A reliable, receiver... clutch at times.

+1

I don't care if people want to say, "He'd be a No.3 Receiver on any other team in the NFL", the guy was clutch for us this season and it seemed like the only receiver on our team who was producing on a consistent basis.

So the question is whether I would trade a guy who had a down year for someone who put up similar numbers, is older, and has never really been a game changer?

StorminMormon86 wrote:

Countertrey wrote:I think you are entirely missing the point... While stats can certainly be misleading... Gafney was a bargain. A reliable, receiver... clutch at times.

+1

I don't care if people want to say, "He'd be a No.3 Receiver on any other team in the NFL", the guy was clutch for us this season and it seemed like the only receiver on our team who was producing on a consistent basis.

That's all true. But we aren't going to win anything with Jabar Gaffney as our leader in receptions and yards. We need a significant infusion of talent at the wide receiver position or our offense, even with a new qb, is going to suffer. Like Kyle Shanahan recently said, the wide receivers didn't make plays this year.

“We do need to make more plays,” Shanahan said after the South team’s practice for Saturday’s Senior Bowl. “The one thing that hurt us the most was every touchdown pass we made was caught in the end zone. There wasn’t one that was caught outside the end zone and ran in until Week 16 when Helu caught that screen versus Philly. The other one was [Brandon] Banks’ throw to [Moss], who caught it and ran in. Our guys need to do a better job of getting up the field and making some plays after the catch so we get some points on the board by running it in instead of us having to go all the way down the field and trying to throw it in.”

Not having a single td pass over 20 yards from the qb to a wide receiver is beyond pathetic, and it's what happens when you lack explosive players at the position, which is what a guy like Jackson brings to the table. If you look at Gaffney's numbers, he only had 1 catch over 40 yards and average 2.9 yards after catch.

Getting a free agent like Jackson or Bowe, or drafting a big play threat like Blackmon is critical for this team if there is any hope of the offense improving. Rex obviously isn't a very good qb, but we also have one of the worst group of wide receivers in the entire NFL.

CanesSkins26 wrote:Getting a free agent like Jackson or Bowe, or drafting a big play threat like Blackmon is critical for this team if there is any hope of the offense improving. Rex obviously isn't a very good qb, but we also have one of the worst group of wide receivers in the entire NFL.

You're missing my point. I was strictly talking about how he was clutch last season. There's no debate...every position on offense (except maybe RB) needs to be upgraded for the 2012 season.

But, you arent removing Gaffney from the roster if you pick up Jackson. Remember, Jackson is also a special teams guy. The likely "odd-man out" would be Brandon Banks, so the comparison lies there.

Taking this guy away form Philly is a bonus all by itself, he's been killing us.

Jackson's speed stretches the field but, that does'nt help if we still have Grossman at QB, who's passes over 30yds come in with the trajectory of a punt.