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Here's a list of the 2012 Top 50 Free Agents come March, some of these players will be resigned prior to the market opening, some will be "tagged" and others will be added to clear cap space for their current team.

Based on the players listed select the 10% you would bring in and why.


Here's my five and the reasons why:

CB Brandon Carr,might get tagged but if not the Redskins should pay the man. He'll turn 26 in May, is a true man-cover corner and this is a position of need. With Hall aging and taking so many risk in coverage he may be more help to the secondary as a free safety. Atogwe was injuried on and off all year, and the addition of Carr would allow some flexability in the secondary, and the ability to pass on Claiborne if he is there at #6.

If Carr gets tagged I'd stay in KC and go after WR Dwayne Bowe to feel the long needed #1 reciever slot. Hankerson is a unknown but shows promise, Paul may pan out and Aldrick Robinson spent most of 2011 on the practice squad - that's three WRs on the roster from the last draft. They can't afford Justin Blackmon because they drafted so many wideouts last year.

The Skins can't get both but either would be fine with me...


SS Tyvon Branch would be LL's replacement is a hard hitter but also solid tackler, not the best in coverage but better than what we have had at that position. Dashon Goldson would be option B.

G Carl Nicks should be Bruce Allen's first call when free agency starts, he cost but he'll fit the Redskins run blocking scheme and is pretty good at pass pro. While Bruce is calling Carl, Kyle should dial up C Chris Myers and see if he can get him on board, One or both would be major upgrades



QB Matt Flynn has been a favorite of mine since the season ended an that hasn't changed. The Redskins carried three QBs last year if you count the one on the PS. If Crompton lands back on the practice squad again in 2012 he'll be the #4 QB but will have seniority over the three on the active roster.


So I've got Flynn, Nicks, Myers, along with Branch and Carr or Goldson and Bowe. The Redskins would still need a young QB in the draft, a safety if Hall isn't converted, O-line depth and a corner to play in the slot. Adding any five of these seven would be a great start to the new season. Flynn, Nicks and Myers would be my priorities but I'd go after all 7 and then some.






Did anyone else notice no Redskins made the list?

1niksder wrote: They can't afford Justin Blackmon because they drafted so many wideouts last year.

Not if they all stink. Hankerson is good though but he has to prove it. It's not like we have dearth at the position. Move moss to the slot, Blackmon and Hankerson outside.

Although I agree with you on Bowe, he would be a good pickup and eliminate any thoughts of taking Blackmon more than likely.

For me what I would do is if KC tag's Bowe take Carr. If they tag Carr take Bowe. Because we know the Saints are going to "tag" Drew Brees try to go after Colston and Nicks. In my opinion Carl NIcks is the BEST guard in the NFL. Also try for Chris Myers.

So for me it would probbably be Marques Colston or Dwayne Bowe

Carl Nicks or Ben Grubbs

Chris Myers and Carr

and then I say in the draft you can't trade up and take RG3, stick with the sixth pick and......well my idea (EXAMPLE)

colts: Luck

browns: trade up RG3

vikings: Kailil

rams: Blackmon

bucs: Claiborne

Skins: RILEY REIFF LT

great thing to happen could be in the 2nd trade up and take Tannehill have Riley at LT put Trent at RT have Ben Grubbs and Carl Nicks at guard ( ) center Myers. Now that would be one hell of an Oline and it would be the best inthe leauge. and then the position you don't get (Bowe and Carr) try for guys like Vincent Jackson or Ladarrius Webb or Tracy Porter or Marques Colston.

PicksixerTWSS

Thanks 1niksder - that's a very interesting scenario

I will say that I like the fact that we're in position to be able to add some key free agents and that we have a FO that will continue to look at the long term rather than short term

we need to add some young free agents and we're lucky to be where we are with the salary cap


I don't know as much about the players as you guys do

FOR SURE we'll be adding free agents at the following positions that will greatly help - QB, OL, WR, DB

20 percent of 50 is 10.

SkinsJock wrote:Thanks 1niksder - that's a very interesting scenario

I will say that I like the fact that we're in position to be able to add some key free agents and that we have a FO that will continue to look at the long term rather than short term

we need to add some young free agents and we're lucky to be where we are with the salary cap


I don't know as much about the players as you guys do

FOR SURE we'll be adding free agents at the following positions that will greatly help - QB, OL, WR, DB

I'm mainley thinking

Colston or Bowe (1)

Grubbs or Nicks (2)

Myers (3)

Carr or ..... Grimes I think he is pretty good (4)

of course being us there will be way more FA's signed than 4.

Skeletor wrote:20 percent of 50 is 10.

It was late

PickSixerTWSS wrote: ..... of course being us - there will be way more FA's signed than 4.

I take it you mean "us" being the Redskins of today and NOT the Redskins of pre Shanaplan ... right?
AND - I agree with you that we'll be adding a number of free agents - THAT's A GOOD THING
How lucky are we that these guys have us in this position where we can really afford to add free agents because we are in decent shape salary cap wise

not long ago, dumb and dumber just added players that for the most part did not fit here
this FO WILL add players that fit what the franchise needs
AND - MOST IMPORTANTLY, are young and can give the team a few good years of play

I think a combination of adding some key free agents and a good draft is really going to help this franchise
We ARE making the playoffs in 2012

SkinsJock wrote:

PickSixerTWSS wrote: ..... of course being us - there will be way more FA's signed than 4.

I take it you mean "us" being the Redskins of today and NOT the Redskins of pre Shanaplan ... right?
AND - I agree with you that we'll be adding a number of free agents - THAT's A GOOD THING
How lucky are we that these guys have us in this position where we can really afford to add free agents because we are in decent shape salary cap wise

not long ago, dumb and dumber just added players that for the most part did not fit here
this FO WILL add players that fit what the franchise needs
AND - MOST IMPORTANTLY, are young and can give the team a few good years of play

I think a combination of adding some key free agents and a good draft is really going to help this franchise
We ARE making the playoffs in 2012

By a number of FA's...how many do you mean? And I just meant those 4 players could be the main core of the FAs.

This is fun and all but step it up a notch. Apply the cap to this and then you'll really see how unlikely it is that we get most of these top tier guys.

frankcal20 wrote:This is fun and all but step it up a notch. Apply the cap to this and then you'll really see how unlikely it is that we get most of these top tier guys.

The Skins will have plenty of cap space (at least #40M under) to sign who ever they want.

My leanings are towards;

Brandon Carr or Tracy Porter

Pierre Garcon

Carl Nicks or Chris Myers, although I'd prefer it if Myers was a little younger.

The other issues can be addressed in the draft I think.

Remember, the OL started the season well, it just fell apart with injuries and suspensions, so a wholesale restructure isn't needed, just add a little experience so we have strength in depth.

Maybe we should go back in for Carlos Rogers now he's got some contact lenses and can catch the odd ball....? No...?!? Ok then...

1niksder wrote:The Skins will have plenty of cap space (at least $40M) to sign who ever they want.

I agree redskin1 - the only caveat being that they'll most likely try and stay with the younger talent where they can

players that are young with good character are definetly a plus

we've seen them make some bad judgements but they've also done some good things and this cap situation is one of them

Managing the cap, this will also allow them to front load any free agent contract so that down the line it will allow our contracts to be better balanced.

See Fletcher. Sign him to a 3 year deal paying 12-15 million this year and then 2-3 the next two. That would make say a 3 year, 18 million contract paying on average 6 m per year. I think both parties would do that in a heartbeat. Only concern would be Fletch retiring after this season. There could be a clause written in that if he retires b4 the end of the 3 years, part of the singing bonus is due back.

frankcal20 wrote:Managing the cap, this will also allow them to front load any free agent contract so that down the line it will allow our contracts to be better balanced.

See Fletcher. Sign him to a 3 year deal paying 12-15 million this year and then 2-3 the next two. That would make say a 3 year, 18 million contract paying on average 6 m per year. I think both parties would do that in a heartbeat. Only concern would be Fletch retiring after this season. There could be a clause written in that if he retires b4 the end of the 3 years, part of the singing bonus is due back.

If you pay him $12 the first year how much will be base and how much is the signing bonus?

$4M base would mean a cap hit of $6.7M in 2012, $4.7M the following 2 years. A four year deal might be better.

1niksder wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:Managing the cap, this will also allow them to front load any free agent contract so that down the line it will allow our contracts to be better balanced.

See Fletcher. Sign him to a 3 year deal paying 12-15 million this year and then 2-3 the next two. That would make say a 3 year, 18 million contract paying on average 6 m per year. I think both parties would do that in a heartbeat. Only concern would be Fletch retiring after this season. There could be a clause written in that if he retires b4 the end of the 3 years, part of the singing bonus is due back.

If you pay him $12 the first year how much will be base and how much is the signing bonus?

$4M base would mean a cap hit of $6.7M in 2012, $4.7M the following 2 years. A four year deal might be better.

What do you think Fletch could get on the open market?

DarthMonk wrote:

1niksder wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:Managing the cap, this will also allow them to front load any free agent contract so that down the line it will allow our contracts to be better balanced.

See Fletcher. Sign him to a 3 year deal paying 12-15 million this year and then 2-3 the next two. That would make say a 3 year, 18 million contract paying on average 6 m per year. I think both parties would do that in a heartbeat. Only concern would be Fletch retiring after this season. There could be a clause written in that if he retires b4 the end of the 3 years, part of the singing bonus is due back.

If you pay him $12 the first year how much will be base and how much is the signing bonus?

$4M base would mean a cap hit of $6.7M in 2012, $4.7M the following 2 years. A four year deal might be better.

What do you think Fletch could get on the open market?

About 4 years / $30M with about $15M guaranteed would be the high end, IMO.

Something like...

$10M signing bonus, $2M base in 2012, $3M base in 2013 both years guaranteed. $5.5M base plus $1M roster bonus in 2014 and $7M case plus $1M roster bonus in 2015.

Cap hits would $4.5M... $5.5M... $9M... and $10.5M

If he slows down after 2013 they can cut him and save $4M in cap space for 2014

1niksder wrote:

DarthMonk wrote:

1niksder wrote: If you pay him $12 the first year how much will be base and how much is the signing bonus?

$4M base would mean a cap hit of $6.7M in 2012, $4.7M the following 2 years. A four year deal might be better.

What do you think Fletch could get on the open market?

About 4 years / $30M with about $15M guaranteed would be the high end, IMO.

Something like...

$10M signing bonus, $2M base in 2012, $3M base in 2013 both years guaranteed. $5.5M base plus $1M roster bonus in 2014 and $7M case plus $1M roster bonus in 2015.

Cap hits would $4.5M... $5.5M... $9M... and $10.5M

If he slows down after 2013 they can cut him and save $4M in cap space for 2014

I ask because I love the guy but I don't want to pay him the sky if he wants to stay but would only get a small mountain elsewhere. I think Ray Lewis' last deal was 3 years $22M.

Who do you think would pay Fletch $15M for the next 2 years with $10M up front?

I'd like to re-sign him for something like a $7M bonus with salaries of $1M and $2M for a total of $10. Would he just laugh and leave? Would he consider it a slap if we said "See what's out there and then we will treat you right?"

Hopefully this franchise pays the players based on what they're worth to THIS franchise NOT on what they could get elsewhere

Hopefully this franchise pays the players based on what they can do for this franchise NOT what other franchises pay their players




This franchise is trying to establish itself again and is close to losing the old mentality that we overpay OR that this is a place to come and "make a fortune" with no regard for what you can do when you get here

That STUFF is OVER - there's a new sherrif in town



I see this franchise becoming a place where the players AND their agents KNOW that we are NOT "the same OLD Redskins"

SkinsJock wrote:Hopefully this franchise pays the players based on what they're worth to THIS franchise NOT on what they could get elsewhere

Hopefully this franchise pays the players based on what they can do for this franchise NOT what other franchises pay their players




This franchise is trying to establish itself again and is close to losing the old mentality that we overpay OR that this is a place to come and "make a fortune" with no regard for what you can do when you get here

That STUFF is OVER - there's a new sherrif in town



I see this franchise becoming a place where the players AND their agents KNOW that we are NOT "the same OLD Redskins"

I agree with your sentiments but we should not negotiate and sign in a financial vacuum. If Fletch can only get $3M a year elsewhere we SHOULD NOT give him $10M a year ... should we???

I understand your point and I agree - this is a business after all

however - Fletcher has earned the right to be treated a little better by this franchise and I think they will treat him accordingly

I would not say the same about a lot of others here - even players I like

I'll take it one more step

this franchise is going to be looking to add some free agents here soon
This FO wants to establish a reputation about how they treat players that work as hard as Fletcher does

we are becoming a good place to come and play - it helps that we have that rep now

Totally agree that the Redskins need to attach a premium of keeping their own. Not to mention, I hope like hell we keep him. But I'm in the business of negotiating contracts on a daily basis. I also look at market value vs sales price. I'm in Real estate. The #1 thing you tell a buyer is that you never overpay. Why - because there will be another house that will come along that you'll love just as much 9 times out of 10. In terms of Fletcher, like most NFL teams, they will allow him to go out there and find out what the general market is willing to pay for his services. That's a standard practice for most teams and their free agents. Look at New Orleans. Why didn't they put a deal together with Drew Brees yet who is easily one of the top 5 QB's in the NFL today. Would they really allow him to walk? Not a chance. But they will let the market determine his final price and contract term.

You maybe right frank .... but this is a business UNLIKE other businesses - what you think of as good business practices do NOT apply here

this is a very different game and we need to establish that this franchise is not the same old Redskins

there are things that you have to do a certain way - they will make Fletcher feel very wanted and appreciated

If I was Drew Brees and they let me "test" the free agent market - I hope he goes to the highest bidder
that is a bad mistake

let him visit DC and his ass will be in gold pants with a burgandy top in September - gay-ron-teed


the Redskins FO is NOT letting a QB like Brees "test the market" - NO WAY