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Ike Hilliard is the new WR Coach

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:21 pm
by spudstr04
Larry Michael on @ESPNRadio980 just said Ike Hilliard is the new #Redskins WR coach & Bob Slowik takes over LB's for Lou Spanos


https://twitter.com/#!/Russellmania980

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:19 am
by CanesSkins26
Is there a reason why we keep screwing around with the wr coach position?

First, we hire McCardell, who had ZERO coaching experience.

Now, we're hiring Hilliard, who has exactly ONE season of NFL coaching experience, as an assistant wide receivers coach.

Wide receiver is obviously an issue for this team and we have a bunch of young players that need to develop, and yet we keep screwing around with guys that have very little coaching experience. Is it so hard to find an experienced and successful wide receivers coach?

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:46 am
by SkinsJock
^^ - MAYBE because ... the OC doesn't want anyone that might show him up :wink:

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:26 am
by Kilmer72
CanesSkins26 wrote:Is there a reason why we keep screwing around with the wr coach position?

First, we hire McCardell, who had ZERO coaching experience.

Now, we're hiring Hilliard, who has exactly ONE season of NFL coaching experience, as an assistant wide receivers coach.

Wide receiver is obviously an issue for this team and we have a bunch of young players that need to develop, and yet we keep screwing around with guys that have very little coaching experience. Is it so hard to find an experienced and successful wide receivers coach?


Maybe McCardell was one of the people that did not want to be here.

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:31 am
by frankcal20
CanesSkins26 wrote:Is there a reason why we keep screwing around with the wr coach position?

First, we hire McCardell, who had ZERO coaching experience.

Now, we're hiring Hilliard, who has exactly ONE season of NFL coaching experience, as an assistant wide receivers coach.

Wide receiver is obviously an issue for this team and we have a bunch of young players that need to develop, and yet we keep screwing around with guys that have very little coaching experience. Is it so hard to find an experienced and successful wide receivers coach?


I think the problem is with WR coaches is if they are successful in that area, they get promotions. Or if they don't have success, then they have a job. It's more about finding a guy on the way up.

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:37 am
by CanesSkins26
frankcal20 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:Is there a reason why we keep screwing around with the wr coach position?

First, we hire McCardell, who had ZERO coaching experience.

Now, we're hiring Hilliard, who has exactly ONE season of NFL coaching experience, as an assistant wide receivers coach.

Wide receiver is obviously an issue for this team and we have a bunch of young players that need to develop, and yet we keep screwing around with guys that have very little coaching experience. Is it so hard to find an experienced and successful wide receivers coach?


I think the problem is with WR coaches is if they are successful in that area, they get promotions. Or if they don't have success, then they have a job. It's more about finding a guy on the way up.


That's possible, but I'm not saying that you have to have a guy that has a lot of experience in the position, just some coaching experience in general. One season as an assistant in the NFL seems like awfully little experience to me, especially when we just fired a guy who had no coaching experience. I just looked at the Packers and Saints staffs, as an example, and both of their wide receiver coaches are in their first years in the position. However, both have also been coaching with the teams in other capacities for over five years. Just seems odd.

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:02 pm
by Mississippiskinsfan2
CanesSkins26 wrote:
frankcal20 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:Is there a reason why we keep screwing around with the wr coach position?

First, we hire McCardell, who had ZERO coaching experience.

Now, we're hiring Hilliard, who has exactly ONE season of NFL coaching experience, as an assistant wide receivers coach.

Wide receiver is obviously an issue for this team and we have a bunch of young players that need to develop, and yet we keep screwing around with guys that have very little coaching experience. Is it so hard to find an experienced and successful wide receivers coach?


I think the problem is with WR coaches is if they are successful in that area, they get promotions. Or if they don't have success, then they have a job. It's more about finding a guy on the way up.


That's possible, but I'm not saying that you have to have a guy that has a lot of experience in the position, just some coaching experience in general. One season as an assistant in the NFL seems like awfully little experience to me, especially when we just fired a guy who had no coaching experience. I just looked at the Packers and Saints staffs, as an example, and both of their wide receiver coaches are in their first years in the position. However, both have also been coaching with the teams in other capacities for over five years. Just seems odd.


Do we have anyone on the coaching staff who has been here for five years?

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:14 pm
by Kilmer72
Mississippiskinsfan2 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
frankcal20 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:Is there a reason why we keep screwing around with the wr coach position?

First, we hire McCardell, who had ZERO coaching experience.

Now, we're hiring Hilliard, who has exactly ONE season of NFL coaching experience, as an assistant wide receivers coach.

Wide receiver is obviously an issue for this team and we have a bunch of young players that need to develop, and yet we keep screwing around with guys that have very little coaching experience. Is it so hard to find an experienced and successful wide receivers coach?


I think the problem is with WR coaches is if they are successful in that area, they get promotions. Or if they don't have success, then they have a job. It's more about finding a guy on the way up.


That's possible, but I'm not saying that you have to have a guy that has a lot of experience in the position, just some coaching experience in general. One season as an assistant in the NFL seems like awfully little experience to me, especially when we just fired a guy who had no coaching experience. I just looked at the Packers and Saints staffs, as an example, and both of their wide receiver coaches are in their first years in the position. However, both have also been coaching with the teams in other capacities for over five years. Just seems odd.


Do we have anyone on the coaching staff who has been here for five years?


Danny Smith

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:14 pm
by frankcal20
Mississippiskinsfan2 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
frankcal20 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:Is there a reason why we keep screwing around with the wr coach position?

First, we hire McCardell, who had ZERO coaching experience.

Now, we're hiring Hilliard, who has exactly ONE season of NFL coaching experience, as an assistant wide receivers coach.

Wide receiver is obviously an issue for this team and we have a bunch of young players that need to develop, and yet we keep screwing around with guys that have very little coaching experience. Is it so hard to find an experienced and successful wide receivers coach?


I think the problem is with WR coaches is if they are successful in that area, they get promotions. Or if they don't have success, then they have a job. It's more about finding a guy on the way up.


That's possible, but I'm not saying that you have to have a guy that has a lot of experience in the position, just some coaching experience in general. One season as an assistant in the NFL seems like awfully little experience to me, especially when we just fired a guy who had no coaching experience. I just looked at the Packers and Saints staffs, as an example, and both of their wide receiver coaches are in their first years in the position. However, both have also been coaching with the teams in other capacities for over five years. Just seems odd.


Do we have anyone on the coaching staff who has been here for five years?


Good one!!!

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 12:57 pm
by Steve Spurrier III
It's worth noting that Hilliard served on Jim Haslett's 2009 Florida Tuskers (UFL) staff. He was also a player for the Buccaneers when Bruce Allen was GM.

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:04 pm
by frankcal20
Nice find spurrier.

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:48 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
I think our WR woes have less to do with the coach and more to do with other issues.

1. Our WR's are some bums.
2. Our QB is a bum.
3. The line can be shaky.

Now... All 3 of these things should be touched upon this year. U have a strong WR FA class and I'm sure they'll lure one in because we're bringing in a QB.

For example. Let's say we go after Bowe and we already have Flynn signed, he's more inclined to come on-board with the way that dude was slangin the ball. LOL

The o-line will be further refined.

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:52 pm
by riggofan
Next thing you know we'll be scrutinizing the secretarial staff.

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:01 pm
by SkinsJock
Chris Luva Luva wrote:I think our WR woes have less to do with the coach and more to do with other issues.

1. Our WR's are some bums.
2. Our QB is a bum.
3. The line can be shaky.

Now... All 3 of these things should be touched upon this year. U have a strong WR FA class and I'm sure they'll lure one in because we're bringing in a QB.

For example. Let's say we go after Bowe and we already have Flynn signed, he's more inclined to come on-board with the way that dude was slangin the ball. LOL

The o-line will be further refined.


I'm on the bus with this - succintly put Chris :D

the passing game here needs to be a lot bettter - HOPEFULLY Hilliard can help - he needs better weapons though

LET's FACE IT - the offense has got to get a lot of help - thru free agents and the draft

there are not many QB options in the draft so we really are trying to get a FA QB here while we have to wait to get the NEXT GREAT QB
we may find a rookie QB - we may also have to wait another year

we need to keep getting younger and building this franchise - by the time we find our next great QB we'll have other issues to solve

ADD AS MANY DRAFT PICKS AS WE CAN - KEEP BUILDING THRU THE DRAFT

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:05 pm
by Steve Spurrier III
riggofan wrote:Next thing you know we'll be scrutinizing the secretarial staff.


Bring back Phyllis Hayes! She is the Antonio Pierce of secretaries.

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:21 pm
by CanesSkins26
Mississippiskinsfan2 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
frankcal20 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:Is there a reason why we keep screwing around with the wr coach position?

First, we hire McCardell, who had ZERO coaching experience.

Now, we're hiring Hilliard, who has exactly ONE season of NFL coaching experience, as an assistant wide receivers coach.

Wide receiver is obviously an issue for this team and we have a bunch of young players that need to develop, and yet we keep screwing around with guys that have very little coaching experience. Is it so hard to find an experienced and successful wide receivers coach?


I think the problem is with WR coaches is if they are successful in that area, they get promotions. Or if they don't have success, then they have a job. It's more about finding a guy on the way up.


That's possible, but I'm not saying that you have to have a guy that has a lot of experience in the position, just some coaching experience in general. One season as an assistant in the NFL seems like awfully little experience to me, especially when we just fired a guy who had no coaching experience. I just looked at the Packers and Saints staffs, as an example, and both of their wide receiver coaches are in their first years in the position. However, both have also been coaching with the teams in other capacities for over five years. Just seems odd.


Do we have anyone on the coaching staff who has been here for five years?


Who cares where they coached? The point is that they have experience coaching in the NFL. McCardell had zero before he got here and got canned, and Hilliard has one year on a bum Dolphins staff.

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:31 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
CanesSkins26 wrote:Who cares where they coached? The point is that they have experience coaching in the NFL. McCardell had zero before he got here and got canned, and Hilliard has one year on a bum Dolphins staff.


We've had more "accomplished" WR coaches over the years and they still sucked. That's why I think that it has more to do with who we have. Until they upgrade that, they'll suck.

Let's say we got the Packers WR coach.

- Moss and everyone will still be short.
- Grossman will still through into coverage, not hit the WR in stride and throw it behind him.

Even with McCardell, Gafney had a career year.... #shrug

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:25 pm
by Mississippiskinsfan2
CanesSkins26 wrote:
Mississippiskinsfan2 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
frankcal20 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:Is there a reason why we keep screwing around with the wr coach position?

First, we hire McCardell, who had ZERO coaching experience.

Now, we're hiring Hilliard, who has exactly ONE season of NFL coaching experience, as an assistant wide receivers coach.

Wide receiver is obviously an issue for this team and we have a bunch of young players that need to develop, and yet we keep screwing around with guys that have very little coaching experience. Is it so hard to find an experienced and successful wide receivers coach?


I think the problem is with WR coaches is if they are successful in that area, they get promotions. Or if they don't have success, then they have a job. It's more about finding a guy on the way up.


That's possible, but I'm not saying that you have to have a guy that has a lot of experience in the position, just some coaching experience in general. One season as an assistant in the NFL seems like awfully little experience to me, especially when we just fired a guy who had no coaching experience. I just looked at the Packers and Saints staffs, as an example, and both of their wide receiver coaches are in their first years in the position. However, both have also been coaching with the teams in other capacities for over five years. Just seems odd.


Do we have anyone on the coaching staff who has been here for five years?


Who cares where they coached? The point is that they have experience coaching in the NFL. McCardell had zero before he got here and got canned, and Hilliard has one year on a bum Dolphins staff.


I don't care if he has chached for five or ten years or what team he has coach for because that doesn't mean anything. We have had a whole coaching staff full of guys who everyone thought they could of been a head coach on another team. How many superbowls that get us?

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:35 pm
by CanesSkins26
Mississippiskinsfan2 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
Mississippiskinsfan2 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
frankcal20 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:Is there a reason why we keep screwing around with the wr coach position?

First, we hire McCardell, who had ZERO coaching experience.

Now, we're hiring Hilliard, who has exactly ONE season of NFL coaching experience, as an assistant wide receivers coach.

Wide receiver is obviously an issue for this team and we have a bunch of young players that need to develop, and yet we keep screwing around with guys that have very little coaching experience. Is it so hard to find an experienced and successful wide receivers coach?


I think the problem is with WR coaches is if they are successful in that area, they get promotions. Or if they don't have success, then they have a job. It's more about finding a guy on the way up.


That's possible, but I'm not saying that you have to have a guy that has a lot of experience in the position, just some coaching experience in general. One season as an assistant in the NFL seems like awfully little experience to me, especially when we just fired a guy who had no coaching experience. I just looked at the Packers and Saints staffs, as an example, and both of their wide receiver coaches are in their first years in the position. However, both have also been coaching with the teams in other capacities for over five years. Just seems odd.


Do we have anyone on the coaching staff who has been here for five years?


Who cares where they coached? The point is that they have experience coaching in the NFL. McCardell had zero before he got here and got canned, and Hilliard has one year on a bum Dolphins staff.


I don't care if he has chached for five or ten years or what team he has coach for because that doesn't mean anything. We have had a whole coaching staff full of guys who everyone thought they could of been a head coach on another team. How many superbowls that get us?


Our "experienced" coaches didn't get us a super bowl, so lets try "inexperienced" coaches? Is that really the argument you're making? Lumping all of the previous coaches together is pointless.

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:40 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
You can't coach natural talent and until we get some top tier talent at WR, any coach will look bad.

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:56 pm
by CanesSkins26
Chris Luva Luva wrote:You can't coach natural talent and until we get some top tier talent at WR, any coach will look bad.


Then why fired McCardell?

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:19 pm
by Kilmer72
Mississippiskinsfan2 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
Mississippiskinsfan2 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
frankcal20 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:Is there a reason why we keep screwing around with the wr coach position?

First, we hire McCardell, who had ZERO coaching experience.

Now, we're hiring Hilliard, who has exactly ONE season of NFL coaching experience, as an assistant wide receivers coach.

Wide receiver is obviously an issue for this team and we have a bunch of young players that need to develop, and yet we keep screwing around with guys that have very little coaching experience. Is it so hard to find an experienced and successful wide receivers coach?


I think the problem is with WR coaches is if they are successful in that area, they get promotions. Or if they don't have success, then they have a job. It's more about finding a guy on the way up.


That's possible, but I'm not saying that you have to have a guy that has a lot of experience in the position, just some coaching experience in general. One season as an assistant in the NFL seems like awfully little experience to me, especially when we just fired a guy who had no coaching experience. I just looked at the Packers and Saints staffs, as an example, and both of their wide receiver coaches are in their first years in the position. However, both have also been coaching with the teams in other capacities for over five years. Just seems odd.


Do we have anyone on the coaching staff who has been here for five years?


Who cares where they coached? The point is that they have experience coaching in the NFL. McCardell had zero before he got here and got canned, and Hilliard has one year on a bum Dolphins staff.


I don't care if he has chached for five or ten years or what team he has coach for because that doesn't mean anything. We have had a whole coaching staff full of guys who everyone thought they could of been a head coach on another team. How many superbowls that get us?


Actually it has gotten us some if you want to consider Joe Gibbs first stint here.

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:20 pm
by Mississippiskinsfan2
CanesSkins26 wrote:
Mississippiskinsfan2 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
Mississippiskinsfan2 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
frankcal20 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:Is there a reason why we keep screwing around with the wr coach position?

First, we hire McCardell, who had ZERO coaching experience.

Now, we're hiring Hilliard, who has exactly ONE season of NFL coaching experience, as an assistant wide receivers coach.

Wide receiver is obviously an issue for this team and we have a bunch of young players that need to develop, and yet we keep screwing around with guys that have very little coaching experience. Is it so hard to find an experienced and successful wide receivers coach?


I think the problem is with WR coaches is if they are successful in that area, they get promotions. Or if they don't have success, then they have a job. It's more about finding a guy on the way up.


That's possible, but I'm not saying that you have to have a guy that has a lot of experience in the position, just some coaching experience in general. One season as an assistant in the NFL seems like awfully little experience to me, especially when we just fired a guy who had no coaching experience. I just looked at the Packers and Saints staffs, as an example, and both of their wide receiver coaches are in their first years in the position. However, both have also been coaching with the teams in other capacities for over five years. Just seems odd.


Do we have anyone on the coaching staff who has been here for five years?


Who cares where they coached? The point is that they have experience coaching in the NFL. McCardell had zero before he got here and got canned, and Hilliard has one year on a bum Dolphins staff.


I don't care if he has chached for five or ten years or what team he has coach for because that doesn't mean anything. We have had a whole coaching staff full of guys who everyone thought they could of been a head coach on another team. How many superbowls that get us?


Our "experienced" coaches didn't get us a super bowl, so lets try "inexperienced" coaches? Is that really the argument you're making? Lumping all of the previous coaches together is pointless.


Not lumping all of the previous coaches together. The Gibb's coaching staff had "experienced" coaches all over the place but it didn't help none. I'm just saying just because someone has coached for more years doesn't mean he is more experienced or better at coaching. I know you would feel better if they would have got a coach who has been around longer but that doesn't mean he would do a better job.

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:23 pm
by Kilmer72
Kilmer72 wrote:
Mississippiskinsfan2 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
Mississippiskinsfan2 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:
frankcal20 wrote:
CanesSkins26 wrote:Is there a reason why we keep screwing around with the wr coach position?

First, we hire McCardell, who had ZERO coaching experience.

Now, we're hiring Hilliard, who has exactly ONE season of NFL coaching experience, as an assistant wide receivers coach.

Wide receiver is obviously an issue for this team and we have a bunch of young players that need to develop, and yet we keep screwing around with guys that have very little coaching experience. Is it so hard to find an experienced and successful wide receivers coach?


I think the problem is with WR coaches is if they are successful in that area, they get promotions. Or if they don't have success, then they have a job. It's more about finding a guy on the way up.


That's possible, but I'm not saying that you have to have a guy that has a lot of experience in the position, just some coaching experience in general. One season as an assistant in the NFL seems like awfully little experience to me, especially when we just fired a guy who had no coaching experience. I just looked at the Packers and Saints staffs, as an example, and both of their wide receiver coaches are in their first years in the position. However, both have also been coaching with the teams in other capacities for over five years. Just seems odd.


Do we have anyone on the coaching staff who has been here for five years?


Who cares where they coached? The point is that they have experience coaching in the NFL. McCardell had zero before he got here and got canned, and Hilliard has one year on a bum Dolphins staff.


I don't care if he has chached for five or ten years or what team he has coach for because that doesn't mean anything. We have had a whole coaching staff full of guys who everyone thought they could of been a head coach on another team. How many superbowls that get us?


Actually it has gotten us some if you want to consider Joe Gibbs first stint here.


And by the way other than Norv, Joe Gibbs II is the most successful coach we have had under Snyder.

Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2012 4:35 pm
by SprintRightOption
Chris Luva Luva wrote:You can't coach natural talent and until we get some top tier talent at WR, any coach will look bad.


Have you been talking to Donavan McNabb?