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Here is a breakdown of all 6 of Flynn's TD's: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sDYZYmn7tE

TD #1 - Ball is on the Lions 7 yard line. The play is a quick hitch/stop route to Nelson. You can see the defender is in position to make the play, but Nelson throws him a wicked stiff-arm, and beats the safety and LB's to the end zone. This is all Nelson.

TD #2 - Ball is on the Green Bay 20 yard line. The play is a quick screen to Grant. Grant simply outraces the defense 80 yards to the endzone. This play is set up by some good downfield blocks by the WR's, but most of this in on Grant.

TD #3 - Ball is on the Lions 39 yard line. The play is a go route to Nelson, and you can see that the Detroit has excellent coverage. The safety is cheated up, and can't recover to help. Great catch by Nelson.

TD #4 - Ball is on the Packers 42 yard line. The play is a play-action post route, against a single high safety(one of my favorite plays). The safety, again, is out of position, and can't get back to help. The rule of a safety, is that they should always be as deep as the deepest man, and obviously he was not. Excellent pass by Flynn. The ball travels 50 yards in the air, so he shows decent arm strength.

TD #5 - Ball is on the Lions 35 yard line. The play is a simple crossing route by Driver. Again, the safety takes a poor angle, and Driver simply beats him to the endzone. This ball travled 10 yards in th air.

TD #6 - Ball is on the Lions 4 yard line. The play is a supposed to be a fade to the great TE Finley, who is split out wide, and lined up one-on-one against a safety, but Flynn throws the ball early and inside. Finley makes a great adjustment in front of the defender who is playing the fade, and makes a great catch for the TD. How do I know this play was a designed fade?, Watch the move Finley makes when he comes off the line.

223 yards came from those 6 TD's, and all but one were because of great plays by the guys who caught the ball. The 58 yard TD was a great throw by Flynn.

Notice on all 6 TD's, he goes to his first read every time.

So, let me ask you. Was Flynn's 6 TD, 480 yard record breaking performance more about him, or more about who was playing around him, and the defense he was facing?

frankcal20 wrote:Don't both teams run a similar version of the WCO? Arn't both coaches descendants of the Bill Walsh coaching tree? The only difference in our offense is that we use a more run heavy zone blocking scheme instead of a pro-style run game. If you want anyone coaching the ZBS is Mike Shanahan. With a crap offensive line, Helu & Co were very productive all season long. What we lacked was QB & WR production. Flynn is an upgrade over Rex and that upgrade would've made the difference in a number of those games.

The Hogster wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:Don't both teams run a similar version of the WCO? Arn't both coaches descendants of the Bill Walsh coaching tree? The only difference in our offense is that we use a more run heavy zone blocking scheme instead of a pro-style run game. If you want anyone coaching the ZBS is Mike Shanahan. With a crap offensive line, Helu & Co were very productive all season long. What we lacked was QB & WR production. Flynn is an upgrade over Rex and that upgrade would've made the difference in a number of those games.

That term WCO is a misnomer. The offense has so many different variations that it's hard to even recognize them as the same. The Philly Offense doesn't look much like the Green Bay offense. And, the Green Bay offense doesn't look much like the Houston, Washington offense.

The play selection and plays are different. Maybe some of the terminology is the same, but it's not the same thing. Green Bay runs alot of back shoulder, timing routes. Their offense is tighter, higher paced, and has more 3 & 5 step drops. Quite honestly, Green Bay runs a more authentic version of the WC offense. Remember Jerry Rice & John Taylor catching those quick slants & hitches and going for 25 + yards like it's easy? Green Bay plays more of that style, and Rodgers has mastered the back shoulder throw much like Brees has. Their out breaking route trees are extensive, and their receivers are trusted to run option routes that their QBs can hit them on.

The Houston, Washington offense is slower paced, and has more longer developing plays and quite frankly the play selection is not similar. Not to mention Green Bay has receivers that can do things ours can't.

Maybe we have those kinds of plays in this offense. But, as of right now, we (i) don't run them often, and (ii) don't have players with skills similar to the receivers that GB has.

“Mike made it more of a hybrid offense,” Theismann says. “What he basically did, was he created within the concept of the West Coast offense –- which is get the ball out of your hands and let people run with it –- a more downfield attack with it. . . . You want to build in the opportunity for big plays rather than just hoping for it just happening on the result of a short pass and then a long run. Mike was one of the first that took the West Coast offense in its truest form and expanded it, not sideline to sideline, but . . . down the field.”

“The one thing I can say that our offense is going to do, is we're going to attack, and we're going to attack you aggressively, whether we're running the ball or throwing the ball.

It doesn't matter

, just whatever the weakness is.”

He has an attitude of being able to go downfield, and attack there,

1niksder wrote:

The Hogster wrote:

frankcal20 wrote:Don't both teams run a similar version of the WCO? Arn't both coaches descendants of the Bill Walsh coaching tree? The only difference in our offense is that we use a more run heavy zone blocking scheme instead of a pro-style run game. If you want anyone coaching the ZBS is Mike Shanahan. With a crap offensive line, Helu & Co were very productive all season long. What we lacked was QB & WR production. Flynn is an upgrade over Rex and that upgrade would've made the difference in a number of those games.

That term WCO is a misnomer. The offense has so many different variations that it's hard to even recognize them as the same. The Philly Offense doesn't look much like the Green Bay offense. And, the Green Bay offense doesn't look much like the Houston, Washington offense.

The play selection and plays are different. Maybe some of the terminology is the same, but it's not the same thing. Green Bay runs alot of back shoulder, timing routes. Their offense is tighter, higher paced, and has more 3 & 5 step drops. Quite honestly, Green Bay runs a more authentic version of the WC offense. Remember Jerry Rice & John Taylor catching those quick slants & hitches and going for 25 + yards like it's easy? Green Bay plays more of that style, and Rodgers has mastered the back shoulder throw much like Brees has. Their out breaking route trees are extensive, and their receivers are trusted to run option routes that their QBs can hit them on.

The Houston, Washington offense is slower paced, and has more longer developing plays and quite frankly the play selection is not similar. Not to mention Green Bay has receivers that can do things ours can't.

Maybe we have those kinds of plays in this offense. But, as of right now, we (i) don't run them often, and (ii) don't have players with skills similar to the receivers that GB has.

It's the same WCO, with different run schemes and the QB reads are reversed in the Houston and Washington versions. So it the WCO but really it's just terminology and routes, it's as different as it's the same if you ask me.

McNabb spent 11 seasons in Andy Reid's West Coast offense in Philadelphia, but describes Shanahan's offense as “a drastic change.” Says McNabb: “I think lots of times that West Coast offense gets thrown around, but this isn't the West Coast offense, by [any] means.”

Red_One43 wrote:

1niksder wrote:

The Hogster wrote: That term WCO is a misnomer. The offense has so many different variations that it's hard to even recognize them as the same. The Philly Offense doesn't look much like the Green Bay offense. And, the Green Bay offense doesn't look much like the Houston, Washington offense.

The play selection and plays are different. Maybe some of the terminology is the same, but it's not the same thing. Green Bay runs alot of back shoulder, timing routes. Their offense is tighter, higher paced, and has more 3 & 5 step drops. Quite honestly, Green Bay runs a more authentic version of the WC offense. Remember Jerry Rice & John Taylor catching those quick slants & hitches and going for 25 + yards like it's easy? Green Bay plays more of that style, and Rodgers has mastered the back shoulder throw much like Brees has. Their out breaking route trees are extensive, and their receivers are trusted to run option routes that their QBs can hit them on.

The Houston, Washington offense is slower paced, and has more longer developing plays and quite frankly the play selection is not similar. Not to mention Green Bay has receivers that can do things ours can't.

Maybe we have those kinds of plays in this offense. But, as of right now, we (i) don't run them often, and (ii) don't have players with skills similar to the receivers that GB has.

It's the same WCO, with different run schemes and the QB reads are reversed in the Houston and Washington versions. So it the WCO but really it's just terminology and routes, it's as different as it's the same if you ask me.

McNabb spent 11 seasons in Andy Reid's West Coast offense in Philadelphia, but describes Shanahan's offense as “a drastic change.” Says McNabb: “I think lots of times that West Coast offense gets thrown around, but this isn't the West Coast offense, by [any] means.”

http://www.tbd.com/articles/2010/08/kyl ... page3.html

1niksder wrote:

Red_One43 wrote:

1niksder wrote: It's the same WCO, with different run schemes and the QB reads are reversed in the Houston and Washington versions. So it the WCO but really it's just terminology and routes, it's as different as it's the same if you ask me.

McNabb spent 11 seasons in Andy Reid's West Coast offense in Philadelphia, but describes Shanahan's offense as “a drastic change.” Says McNabb: “I think lots of times that West Coast offense gets thrown around, but this isn't the West Coast offense, by [any] means.”

http://www.tbd.com/articles/2010/08/kyl ... page3.html

McNabb didn't know it WCO because he never took the time to learn it. Can't really let what he says about it hold any weight

frankcal20 wrote:Flynn is an upgrade over Rex and that upgrade would've made the difference in a number of those games.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:That shouldn't disccredit him because he still has to make the correct read, do so on time and place it where the WR can catch it in stride.

StorminMormon86 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:That shouldn't disccredit him because he still has to make the correct read, do so on time and place it where the WR can catch it in stride.

In other words, do everything Rex Grossman can't.

CanesSkins26 wrote:A good read from Hogs Haven

Here is a breakdown of all 6 of Flynn's TD's: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sDYZYmn7tE

TD #1 - Ball is on the Lions 7 yard line. The play is a quick hitch/stop route to Nelson. You can see the defender is in position to make the play, but Nelson throws him a wicked stiff-arm, and beats the safety and LB's to the end zone. This is all Nelson.

TD #2 - Ball is on the Green Bay 20 yard line. The play is a quick screen to Grant. Grant simply outraces the defense 80 yards to the endzone. This play is set up by some good downfield blocks by the WR's, but most of this in on Grant.

TD #3 - Ball is on the Lions 39 yard line. The play is a go route to Nelson, and you can see that the Detroit has excellent coverage. The safety is cheated up, and can't recover to help. Great catch by Nelson.

TD #4 - Ball is on the Packers 42 yard line. The play is a play-action post route, against a single high safety(one of my favorite plays). The safety, again, is out of position, and can't get back to help. The rule of a safety, is that they should always be as deep as the deepest man, and obviously he was not. Excellent pass by Flynn. The ball travels 50 yards in the air, so he shows decent arm strength.

TD #5 - Ball is on the Lions 35 yard line. The play is a simple crossing route by Driver. Again, the safety takes a poor angle, and Driver simply beats him to the endzone. This ball travled 10 yards in th air.

TD #6 - Ball is on the Lions 4 yard line. The play is a supposed to be a fade to the great TE Finley, who is split out wide, and lined up one-on-one against a safety, but Flynn throws the ball early and inside. Finley makes a great adjustment in front of the defender who is playing the fade, and makes a great catch for the TD. How do I know this play was a designed fade?, Watch the move Finley makes when he comes off the line.

223 yards came from those 6 TD's, and all but one were because of great plays by the guys who caught the ball. The 58 yard TD was a great throw by Flynn.

Notice on all 6 TD's, he goes to his first read every time.

So, let me ask you. Was Flynn's 6 TD, 480 yard record breaking performance more about him, or more about who was playing around him, and the defense he was facing?

http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/1/4/26814 ... erformance

1niksder wrote:OR just look at what Brees did to the Lions defense

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

1niksder wrote:OR just look at what Brees did to the Lions defense

So you're saying that Flynn is Bree's 2.0?? I think that's what you're saying.

1niksder wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:A good read from Hogs Haven

Here is a breakdown of all 6 of Flynn's TD's: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sDYZYmn7tE

TD #1 - Ball is on the Lions 7 yard line. The play is a quick hitch/stop route to Nelson. You can see the defender is in position to make the play, but Nelson throws him a wicked stiff-arm, and beats the safety and LB's to the end zone. This is all Nelson.

TD #2 - Ball is on the Green Bay 20 yard line. The play is a quick screen to Grant. Grant simply outraces the defense 80 yards to the endzone. This play is set up by some good downfield blocks by the WR's, but most of this in on Grant.

TD #3 - Ball is on the Lions 39 yard line. The play is a go route to Nelson, and you can see that the Detroit has excellent coverage. The safety is cheated up, and can't recover to help. Great catch by Nelson.

TD #4 - Ball is on the Packers 42 yard line. The play is a play-action post route, against a single high safety(one of my favorite plays). The safety, again, is out of position, and can't get back to help. The rule of a safety, is that they should always be as deep as the deepest man, and obviously he was not. Excellent pass by Flynn. The ball travels 50 yards in the air, so he shows decent arm strength.

TD #5 - Ball is on the Lions 35 yard line. The play is a simple crossing route by Driver. Again, the safety takes a poor angle, and Driver simply beats him to the endzone. This ball travled 10 yards in th air.

TD #6 - Ball is on the Lions 4 yard line. The play is a supposed to be a fade to the great TE Finley, who is split out wide, and lined up one-on-one against a safety, but Flynn throws the ball early and inside. Finley makes a great adjustment in front of the defender who is playing the fade, and makes a great catch for the TD. How do I know this play was a designed fade?, Watch the move Finley makes when he comes off the line.

223 yards came from those 6 TD's, and all but one were because of great plays by the guys who caught the ball. The 58 yard TD was a great throw by Flynn.

Notice on all 6 TD's, he goes to his first read every time.

So, let me ask you. Was Flynn's 6 TD, 480 yard record breaking performance more about him, or more about who was playing around him, and the defense he was facing?

http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/1/4/26814 ... erformance

OR just look at what Brees did to the Lions defense

StorminMormon86 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:That shouldn't disccredit him because he still has to make the correct read, do so on time and place it where the WR can catch it in stride.

In other words, do everything Rex Grossman can't.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:That shouldn't disccredit him because he still has to make the correct read, do so on time and place it where the WR can catch it in stride.

In other words, do everything Rex Grossman can't.

Who knows what Rex would do if you put him in the Packers offense. There are a lot of mediocre qbs in the NFL that would probably do well in Green Bay's offense on a limited basis.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote: In other words, do everything Rex Grossman can't.

Who knows what Rex would do if you put him in the Packers offense. There are a lot of mediocre qbs in the NFL that would probably do well in Green Bay's offense on a limited basis.

He'd still suck. The writing is on the wall. He did the crap that he's doing now when he was with the Bears. His decision making and lack of arm-strength have absolutely nothing to do with the offensive scheme. His inability to feel pressure and the resulting sack/fumble has NOTHING to do with the offensive scheme.