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Last year, the Redskins desperately needed a quarterback. When their pick came up, Blaine Gabbert was available, instead, they traded down and got Ryan Kerrigan...

Say that scenario comes up next April. There's a QB there for the taking but someone else is on the board that could help. Would you rather we reach on a QB or draft the best available?

Best available draft pick for sure. I know fans are going to be pissed come draft time if we don't take a QB in the first round. We're not getting Luck, or RGIII, so who else is left to take in the first round? I'd rather acquire a FA (Matt Flynn) to run this offense if we don't get the QB Shanny wants in the draft.

I'm a big fan if BPA. No reaching at any rate. If we are gonna "reach" then trade up and don't reach.

Every year has its set of QBs. Maybe Barkley and RGIII both stay in college.

We have to stay patient/smart.

DarthMonk

Skinsfan55 wrote:Last year, the Redskins desperately needed a quarterback. When their pick came up, Blaine Gabbert was available, instead, they traded down and got Ryan Kerrigan...

Say that scenario comes up next April. There's a QB there for the taking but someone else is on the board that could help. Would you rather we reach on a QB or draft the best available?

StorminMormon86 wrote:Best available draft pick for sure. I know fans are going to be pissed come draft time if we don't take a QB in the first round. We're not getting Luck, or RGIII, so who else is left to take in the first round? I'd rather acquire a FA (Matt Flynn) to run this offense if we don't get the QB Shanny wants in the draft.

You cannot predict how the draft will turn out. There is a good chance RGIII may be available when our pick is up. Also, with Indy winning last night Luck is very much back in the fold. If St.Louis or Minny end up with the # 1 pick, they very well could look to trade it, and we just might be the team to jump at the chance.

PAPDOG67 wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:Best available draft pick for sure. I know fans are going to be pissed come draft time if we don't take a QB in the first round. We're not getting Luck, or RGIII, so who else is left to take in the first round? I'd rather acquire a FA (Matt Flynn) to run this offense if we don't get the QB Shanny wants in the draft.

You cannot predict how the draft will turn out. There is a good chance RGIII may be available when our pick is up. Also, with Indy winning last night Luck is very much back in the fold. If St.Louis or Minny end up with the # 1 pick, they very well could look to trade it, and we just might be the team to jump at the chance.

If I was the Skins I'd trade two 1's and two 2's for Luck

Skinsfan55 wrote:Last year, the Redskins desperately needed a quarterback. When their pick came up, Blaine Gabbert was available, instead, they traded down and got Ryan Kerrigan...

Say that scenario comes up next April. There's a QB there for the taking but someone else is on the board that could help. Would you rather we reach on a QB or draft the best available?

U take the best person available. U don't reach for anyone. At the very worst, we'd be continuing to build up a good team for the eventual full-time QB.

The latest rumors make it sound like there will only be one 1st-round quality QB available to draft this year. If that's the case, then the price of acquiring that draft pick will likely be too high for us to realistically consider it.

If it works out that it's just Luck and either Jones or RGIII in the mix, I say hold tight and pick up a QB if he's there but otherwise revert to BPA, preferably on the o-line.

Look for yet another stop-gap FA QB solution. Wait till next year to target our franchise guy in the draft.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Skinsfan55 wrote:Last year, the Redskins desperately needed a quarterback. When their pick came up, Blaine Gabbert was available, instead, they traded down and got Ryan Kerrigan...

Say that scenario comes up next April. There's a QB there for the taking but someone else is on the board that could help. Would you rather we reach on a QB or draft the best available?

U take the best person available. U don't reach for anyone. At the very worst, we'd be continuing to build up a good team for the eventual full-time QB.

Count me in - we badly need a QB but not at the epense of adding good players

we may have to do without a superstar QB like Luck this year but we will continue to build this team

Irn-Bru wrote:Look for yet another stop-gap FA QB solution. Wait till next year to target our franchise guy in the draft.

Gah! You beat me to it, as I forgot to add this into my previous post but...

I was mistaken in another thread about Matt Leinart, didn't realize he signed a 2 year deal this past summer. However, they may be willing to part with him for a 3rd rounder... Bruce has proven to be a good haggler so far, so he wouldn't give up 2 1st rounds for Matt like Vinny would have. Matt is worth a 3rd, he knows the systemm and would be an immediate upgrade from Rex.

Skinsfan55 wrote:Last year, the Redskins desperately needed a quarterback. When their pick came up, Blaine Gabbert was available, instead, they traded down and got Ryan Kerrigan...

Say that scenario comes up next April. There's a QB there for the taking but someone else is on the board that could help. Would you rather we reach on a QB or draft the best available?

That's an interesting question. Shanahan is in a little bit of a tight spot in this draft. If he doesn't get the so-called qb of the future, and finishes his third season as HC with a sub .500 record with no long-term qb on the roster he very well could find himself out of a job. Shanahan and Allen have done some good things here, but if they go into year 3 with qb's like Rex, Beck, Leinart, etc., on the roster with no long-term solution then that is an epic fail on their part.

I'm all for going with the BPA available model, but at some point you have to pull the trigger on a qb. You can't keep saying "wait until next year" because predicting a draft 12 months away is too difficult.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:Look for yet another stop-gap FA QB solution. Wait till next year to target our franchise guy in the draft.

Gah! You beat me to it, as I forgot to add this into my previous post but...

I was mistaken in another thread about Matt Leinart, didn't realize he signed a 2 year deal this past summer. However, they may be willing to part with him for a 3rd rounder... Bruce has proven to be a good haggler so far, so he wouldn't give up 2 1st rounds for Matt like Vinny would have. Matt is worth a 3rd, he knows the systemm and would be an immediate upgrade from Rex.

You want to trade a 3rd round pick for Matt Leinart? The same Matt Leinart who has started a total of 2 games over the past 4 seasons and who has a virtually identical career qb rating as Rex, and who has 15 career tds and 20 ints?

CanesSkins26 wrote:You want to trade a 3rd round pick for Matt Leinart? The same Matt Leinart who has started a total of 2 games over the past 4 seasons and who has a virtually identical career qb rating as Rex, and who has 15 career tds and 20 ints?

At the very most... I'd like to give up a 4th and maybe a 4th in the following draft. Nothing more than a 3rd at most and I wouldn't be totally elated about that.

But IMHO, Matt has more upside than Rex. I think he can still be molded, could still grow and be put in a better situation.

I'm a fan of the best player available approach. Or trading back and getting 2 for 1.

BUT, at some point we need to face reality that we need a talented Young QB.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:You want to trade a 3rd round pick for Matt Leinart? The same Matt Leinart who has started a total of 2 games over the past 4 seasons and who has a virtually identical career qb rating as Rex, and who has 15 career tds and 20 ints?

At the very most... I'd like to give up a 4th and maybe a 4th in the following draft. Nothing more than a 3rd at most and I wouldn't be totally elated about that.

But IMHO, Matt has more upside than Rex. I think he can still be molded, could still grow and be put in a better situation.

At best Leinart is worth a 5th or 6th rounder. Not only does he generally suck, but he's got a season ending injury to boot.

CanesSkins26 wrote:At best Leinart is worth a 5th or 6th rounder. Not only does he generally suck, but he's got a season ending injury to boot.

Well, in his very limited time with Houston, he looked pretty decent.

And I'm not here to argue how good he is. I mentioned him because he'd be a cheap FA acquisition so that we wouldn't have to mortgage the future on Luck. He knows the system. He's simply an avenue of possibility to buy us time for a continued search for the true QB of the future.

I'm with most here that if whoever is holding that # 1 pick is asking a king's ransom for it I would not fork it over. I actually wouldn't mind if we traded back to get a few additional picks. The problem with that is you need a dance partner. It will be interesting to see where we go in this draft.

Great question. And I think your example of Gabbert/Kerrigan is kind of your answer, isn't it? Which of those players would YOU rather have at this point?

I'm afraid we can't wait until next year (2013) to draft a top QB. My reasoning is as follows:

1. We would need to have another losing record in 2012 to give us a pick in the top 5-7 spots. Anybody want to have that happen?
2. Shanny knows he must have a winning record in 2012 and to do that he must shore up our QB and offense in the 2012 draft and FA.

In my view we will get a top flight QB in the draft. I just don't know who and how much it will cost us.

The last I heard from a local DC Reporter citing his "NFL source" - The #1 pick may 4 1st round picks. That's too much.

But, I would consider swapping picks this year, and trading the #1 from next year for Luck. I doubt that's enough though.

If it's more than that, we'd better have a plan to recoup some picks ore bring in some valuable Free Agents.

If we signed:

Carl Nicks - All Pro Guard from New Orleans who will be a Free Agent.

&

Vincent Jackson or Dwayne Bowe

Then I would be in favor of pulling the trigger for Luck at the price mentioned above. I find that scenario highly unlikely. I also think we will have a tough time getting any FA WRs to come here with our current QB situation.

This draft is critical.

The Hogster wrote:I'm a fan of the best player available approach. Or trading back and getting 2 for 1.

BUT, at some point we need to face reality that we need a talented Young QB.

+1

I would prefer to trade back. If the BPA is a WR when we pick and we can't trade back then we need to take the next BPA. I couldn't stomach us drafting a WR in the first half of the first round. The risk / reward ration on WRs would put them all on my do not draft list for the first round.

When we pick as high as we will (anywhere between 7-15) you have to try to get a difference maker. You ballance the risk against the reward and that makes it REAL HARD to justify a WR.

If you get a HoF WR you get a guy that will help the team some. If you get a HoF C, LT, RT, or QB you damatically help the team more than you do if you get a WR. The same could be said for NT in a 3-4, and to a lesser degree ILB.

skinsfan#33 wrote:

The Hogster wrote:I'm a fan of the best player available approach. Or trading back and getting 2 for 1.

BUT, at some point we need to face reality that we need a talented Young QB.

+1

I would prefer to trade back. If the BPA is a WR when we pick and we can't trade back then we need to take the next BPA. I couldn't stomach us drafting a WR in the first half of the first round. The risk / reward ration on WRs would put them all on my do not draft list for the first round.

When we pick as high as we will (anywhere between 7-15) you have to try to get a difference maker. You ballance the risk against the reward and that makes it REAL HARD to justify a WR.

If you get a HoF WR you get a guy that will help the team some. If you get a HoF C, LT, RT, or QB you damatically help the team more than you do if you get a WR. The same could be said for NT in a 3-4, and to a lesser degree ILB.

You think that the Bengals regretting drafting AJ Green in the top 10? I would guess "no".

skinsfan#33 wrote:

The Hogster wrote:I'm a fan of the best player available approach. Or trading back and getting 2 for 1.

BUT, at some point we need to face reality that we need a talented Young QB.

+1

I would prefer to trade back. If the BPA is a WR when we pick and we can't trade back then we need to take the next BPA. I couldn't stomach us drafting a WR in the first half of the first round. The risk / reward ration on WRs would put them all on my do not draft list for the first round.

When we pick as high as we will (anywhere between 7-15) you have to try to get a difference maker. You ballance the risk against the reward and that makes it REAL HARD to justify a WR.

If you get a HoF WR you get a guy that will help the team some. If you get a HoF C, LT, RT, or QB you damatically help the team more than you do if you get a WR. The same could be said for NT in a 3-4, and to a lesser degree ILB.

I agree with this. There is a good interior lineman coming out of Stanford. I happen to also believe that Landry Jones will become a productive pro. So, I would not be dissappointed if we picked him in the Top 10. But, that's based on my opinion that he's worth it.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:At best Leinart is worth a 5th or 6th rounder. Not only does he generally suck, but he's got a season ending injury to boot.

Well, in his very limited time with Houston, he looked pretty decent.

And I'm not here to argue how good he is. I mentioned him because he'd be a cheap FA acquisition so that we wouldn't have to mortgage the future on Luck. He knows the system. He's simply an avenue of possibility to buy us time for a continued search for the true QB of the future.

I understand what you're saying, but how much time/effort do you waste trying to develop garbage quarterbacks? Grossman, Beck, Leinart...where does it end? At some point we are going to have to bite the bullet and make the commitment to getting our qb of the future. The longer we wait the more costly it will be if our record improves next season.

PAPDOG67 wrote:

StorminMormon86 wrote:Best available draft pick for sure. I know fans are going to be pissed come draft time if we don't take a QB in the first round. We're not getting Luck, or RGIII, so who else is left to take in the first round? I'd rather acquire a FA (Matt Flynn) to run this offense if we don't get the QB Shanny wants in the draft.

You cannot predict how the draft will turn out. There is a good chance RGIII may be available when our pick is up. Also, with Indy winning last night Luck is very much back in the fold. If St.Louis or Minny end up with the # 1 pick, they very well could look to trade it, and we just might be the team to jump at the chance.

Ding, ding, ding. The best opportunity would be if the Rams get the #1 pick, so we could either get the #1 for Luck from them, or work a deal for Bradford if they were so inclined.

Indy beating the Texans was totally off the radar, and the way they are playing, they could also beat the Jags next week, while the Rams have the Steelers and 49ers left on the schedule ... the good money puts them in the front runner position for that #1 pick along with the Vikes (I don't know who would get a tie breaker between the Rams and Vikes). But I wouldn't rule out the Vikes taking another QB .... I hardly think that Ponder has solidified his future as the Vikings franchise QB. They would drop him in a heartbeat for Luck, so if we want a shot at Luck, the Rams are the best case scenario, and they obviously need more draft picks to shore up their many holes, because QB is not one of them.

I heard on 106.7 if Indy loses next week they still get the #1 pick. Of course I have heard plenty of things on that station (and 980} that are simply incorrect.

I have no ideas who gets the first pick if Indy wins 3 and the Vikes and Lams are tired at 2.