Skins' D - Landry's back - we need Orakpo involved

[SkinsJock]

C'mon Man! hopefully Jim Haslett is being told to take a good look in the mirror - our offense was not good but they have an excuse - Grossman is Grossman

our defense is a lot better than what we saw and it was managed badly last night

that being said - what's with giving up that run to Jones

what's with Orakpo not being able to play due to cramps and hydration issues - did you not see the wholesale replacements on D by the stupid pukes - this was to keep fresh legs out there

what's with calling an all out blitz on 3rd and 21 - call a blitz but do not have just 1 guy back there for crying out loud

C'mon Man - Haslett is better than that he was out-coached by Ryan

he better get it together because our offense needs our defense

this defense is a lot more capable than what we saw - bad play calling or what?

[CanesSkins26]

Yes, they made some mistakes...Kerrigan can't cover worth a lick yet, Hall (despite some occasional big plays) just isn't a very good cover corner, we still can't generate consistent pressure without blitzing, etc. However, at the end of the day the defense did not allow a single touchdown and held a good Dallas offense to only 18 points.

The offense, on the other hand, still pretty much stinks. Rex makes stupid mistakes at key times, the offensive line remains mediocre, and our wide receivers still aren't that good. People were excited after the first two weeks but the Giants and Cardinals this year have two of the worst defenses in the NFL (Giants are 19th and the Cardinals 27th in yards per game). When we went up against a decent defense (Cowboys are 5th in yards per game) our offense reverted back to its old form of stalling in the red zone, no big plays, and turnovers. Until we get a real quarterback and further upgrade the skills positions and oline this is what it's going to be like against good defenses.

[absinthe1023]

Yes, they made some mistakes...Kerrigan can't cover worth a lick yet, Hall (despite some occasional big plays) just isn't a very good cover corner, we still can't generate consistent pressure without blitzing, etc. However, at the end of the day the defense did not allow a single touchdown and held a good Dallas offense to only 18 points.

The offense, on the other hand, still pretty much stinks. Rex makes stupid mistakes at key times, the offensive line remains mediocre, and our wide receivers still aren't that good. People were excited after the first two weeks but the Giants and Cardinals this year have two of the worst defenses in the NFL (Giants are 19th and the Cardinals 27th in yards per game). When we went up against a decent defense (Cowboys are 5th in yards per game) our offense reverted back to its old form of stalling in the red zone, no big plays, and turnovers. Until we get a real quarterback and further upgrade the skills positions and oline this is what it's going to be like against good defenses.

I tend to agree with most of your post, but lay off Kerrigan. Show me an OLB from any era, living or dead, who can cover Witten on a seam pattern.

[riggofan]

My issue with the defense last night is just that the Cowboys' offense was a freaking train wreck. I mean, all those botched snaps, the WRs who didn't know what the hell they were doing, the QB with the fractured ribs who looked like he could barely lift his left arm.

That 3rd and 21 is going to haunt me all week.

[absinthe1023]

My issue with the defense last night is just that the Cowboys' offense was a freaking train wreck. I mean, all those botched snaps, the WRs who didn't know what the hell they were doing, the QB with the fractured ribs who looked like he could barely lift his left arm.

That 3rd and 21 is going to haunt me all week.

The players actual did well from a physical standpoint; but the schemes and playcalls were, as have been adequately discussed in the threads, atrocious.

The Redskins defenders resembled an elite military unit being led into battle and deployed by a particularly-inept commander.

[tribeofjudah]

YUP...they showed our D panting, gassed out, gasping for air. We shoulda had more substitution.

No, we didn't get killed .........we simply shot ourselves in the foot.

[ATX_Skins]

YUP...they showed our D panting, gassed out, gasping for air. We shoulda had more substitution.

No, we didn't get killed .........we simply shot ourselves in the foot.

Exactly, I had Dallas fans coming up to me at the bar saying "Skins beat themselves tonight"

[Burgundy&Wha?]

[I tend to agree with most of your post, but lay off Kerrigan. Show me an OLB from any era, living or dead, who can cover Witten on a seam pattern.

And yet, Kerrigan still almost tipped that ball. It was a tight play that the Cowboys won. That happens.

A play that hacks me off far more than that was one of the long runs that went right at Rob Jackson who was filling in for Orakpo. Jackson was lost on the play. Had he fallen down to his right, he would've made a play. As it happened, he completely took himself out of it all on his own. Complete lack of recognition of a play that was coming directly at him. Piss poor, but still only one play.

There were plenty of plays to be made by our team. They didn't make them. We'll have to see if they step it up next week. If they do, we can feel good that they are turning the corner. if they don't, we'll see more of what we've been watching for the last twenty years.

[HEROHAMO]

Honestly the defense played a good game. Other then one bone head call. Overall Haslett called a good game and the defense executed well. Only thing I worry about is when it comes time. I mean Chamionship time. The close games is when I worry.

3rd and long what will Haslett call? I think he will learn. I am pretty sure after an experience like that last night he will adjust accordingly. We should bounce back because after all the defense played pretty much lights out. I am pissed we lost but overall the defense was more then solid. The defense spent most of the time on the field last night facing a high powered offense.

This is still a good defense. We kept Dallas under 20! So just keep that in mind. Yes we all know about the one 3rd and 21 play. I do think our D cordinator will learn from that. This defense may not just be good it has potential to be great.

[ATX_Skins]

I don't like Hall.

[aswas71788]

Last nights defense reminded me of last years defense. 4th quarter, the game on the line and the defense folds. same old, same old.

[CanesSkins26]

Honestly the defense played a good game. Other then one bone head call. Overall Haslett called a good game and the defense executed well. Only thing I worry about is when it comes time. I mean Chamionship time. The close games is when I worry.

3rd and long what will Haslett call? I think he will learn. I am pretty sure after an experience like that last night he will adjust accordingly. We should bounce back because after all the defense played pretty much lights out. I am pissed we lost but overall the defense was more then solid. The defense spent most of the time on the field last night facing a high powered offense.

This is still a good defense. We kept Dallas under 20! So just keep that in mind. Yes we all know about the one 3rd and 21 play. I do think our D cordinator will learn from that. This defense may not just be good it has potential to be great.

This defense will not be anything other than good/average until we can find a way to generate consistent pressure without blitzing and until we get good corners. Hall is honestly one of the most overrated players in the NFL. He makes some plays because he takes chances but the guy is not a good cover corner, he's soft, and he runs his mouth too damn much. Before the game he's talking about taking about targeting Romo and after the game he's ripping Haslett and complaining about a call that the refs were 100 percent right on.

[CanesSkins26]

I don't like Hall.

There's nothing to like. He's a punk and he isn't any good.

[ATX_Skins]

I don't like Hall.

There's nothing to like. He's a punk and he isn't any good.

Agreed, way overrated.

[cvillehog]

Imagine you knew nothing about any of the Redskins teams of the past decade or so, and you were watching last night's game. Would you blame the defense this way? I'm not sure you would. We've come to expect heroic performances from our defense to make up for lackluster offense. The truth is, regardless of what else happened, we had the ball at the end of the fourth with a lead and we couldn't march down the field. This is a scenario we're very accustomed to as fans, but I don't think it's something our coaches and players are either accustomed to or satisfied with. It's a long season, and I have faith that they can work some of these kinks out as we go along.

[CanesSkins26]

Imagine you knew nothing about any of the Redskins teams of the past decade or so, and you were watching last night's game. Would you blame the defense this way? I'm not sure you would. We've come to expect heroic performances from our defense to make up for lackluster offense. The truth is, regardless of what else happened, we had the ball at the end of the fourth with a lead and we couldn't march down the field. This is a scenario we're very accustomed to as fans, but I don't think it's something our coaches and players are either accustomed to or satisfied with. It's a long season, and I have faith that they can work some of these kinks out as we go along.

I agree with this. Sure, there are things that the defense could've done better last night. But when you stop a team from scoring touchdowns and only give up 18 points, you can't really blame the D for a loss.

[NYFINESTSKINSFAN]

Who would of thought that Romo was going to run 20 yards backwards right after the snap and immediately whip the ball in the air for Bryant to convert the 3rd and 21. If Romo would have stayed in the pocket for a second he would have been sacked.

[ATX_Skins]

Imagine you knew nothing about any of the Redskins teams of the past decade or so, and you were watching last night's game. Would you blame the defense this way? I'm not sure you would. We've come to expect heroic performances from our defense to make up for lackluster offense. The truth is, regardless of what else happened, we had the ball at the end of the fourth with a lead and we couldn't march down the field. This is a scenario we're very accustomed to as fans, but I don't think it's something our coaches and players are either accustomed to or satisfied with. It's a long season, and I have faith that they can work some of these kinks out as we go along.

I agree with this. Sure, there are things that the defense could've done better last night. But when you stop a team from scoring touchdowns and only give up 18 points, you can't really blame the D for a loss.

I actually agree 100% with this as well. No excuse for last night. Everyone on the team should take this loss and use it as a gut wrenching feeling they never want to experience again.

[markshark84]

The defense was NOT the issue in this game. The fact that our offense had the opportunity to win the game with 2:30 left but failed to do so, combined with the fact that they didn't even score 20 points -- makes it obvious that the loss falls on the shoulders of our offense. As skins fans have painfully learned over the past 5 or so years (especially during the Jason Campbell era), scoring under 20 in a game will inevitably result in a loss. I find it hard to blame a defense who limits an opposing offense to less than 20.

Since the first game of the season, I have questioned the offenses' abilty to run the ball -- and in particular, Hightower. Although our OL is mediocre (at best -- I would actually rank them out of the 32 NFL teams in the 20-25 range), there were a good amount of runs were Hightower should have broken away from the line of scrimmage but failed to do so. With that said, our OL doesn't appear to be helping much. Hightower is avging only 3.5 ypc this year -- which is VERY low in comparison to his peers. I would like to see Helu (who is avging 5.7 ypc) start getting 12-15 carries a game -- essentially an equal split -- and redetermine our featured back.

Secondly, our pass protection was horrendous. Grossman was constantly pressured and sacked 4 times. Sure, Dallas has a strong DL -- but even still, the OL play was just disappointing. Out of the 43 passing plays, Rex was sacked nearly 10% of the time and pressured on at least half of his drop-backs. I was actually impressed by Rexs' performance given the circumstances.

All in all, I have been pretty satisfied with our defense up to this point in the season. They limited 2 good offenses to under 20 and 7 of the Cards 21 were a product of a shortened field after a Rex INT. Sure, we have defensive issues, but right now our major concerns lie on the offensive side of the ball.

[jmooney]

You could blame the botched hold on the FG attempt for this loss as much as anything the defense did to lose it. It was a team loss, period. We gave the Cowboys too many opportunities to stay in the game.

Good news is, we pretty much stayed healthy. We have a legit shot to go into the bye at 3-1. Were a hell of alot closer to being legit than we were a year ago. Next time we see the Cowboys, its in our house and the result WONT be the same. If this team is what I think it is, everyone learned a lesson here, including the coaches.

[SkinsJock]

Our D did reasonably well - there were mistakes BUT we did NOT lose the game because of a few, admittedly mind boggling, bad defensive plays and defensive play calling

We lost because we don't have a good enough offense and despite the incredibly bad play on the part of the stupid pukes offense we could not take better advantage

we need to be able to run the ball when we want to even against that D and we FOR SURE need to have a QB that can help the offense better

This defense will be fine this year and will get better

this offense will not be able to make much happen with the current group of players


I still am looking at a franchise that has come a long way since Bruce & Mike came in but still has some work to do

we are not bad - we are certainly not as good as we would have thought if we'd been able to just run out the clock on that last drive OR found a way to win

[SkinsJock]

You could blame the botched hold on the FG attempt for this loss as much as anything the defense did to lose it. It was a team loss, period. We gave the Cowboys too many opportunities to stay in the game.

Good news is, we pretty much stayed healthy. We have a legit shot to go into the bye at 3-1. Were a hell of alot closer to being legit than we were a year ago. Next time we see the Cowboys, its in our house and the result WONT be the same. If this team is what I think it is, everyone learned a lesson here, including the coaches.

There's no doubt in my mind that we'll play better the next time around BUT is there any doubt in anyone's mind that the stupid pukes offense will play a whole lot better next time

we need to find a way to be better offensively in order to close the other teams out in the 4th qtr

[HEROHAMO]

Honestly the defense played a good game. Other then one bone head call. Overall Haslett called a good game and the defense executed well. Only thing I worry about is when it comes time. I mean Chamionship time. The close games is when I worry.

3rd and long what will Haslett call? I think he will learn. I am pretty sure after an experience like that last night he will adjust accordingly. We should bounce back because after all the defense played pretty much lights out. I am pissed we lost but overall the defense was more then solid. The defense spent most of the time on the field last night facing a high powered offense.

This is still a good defense. We kept Dallas under 20! So just keep that in mind. Yes we all know about the one 3rd and 21 play. I do think our D cordinator will learn from that. This defense may not just be good it has potential to be great.

This defense will not be anything other than good/average until we can find a way to generate consistent pressure without blitzing and until we get good corners. Hall is honestly one of the most overrated players in the NFL. He makes some plays because he takes chances but the guy is not a good cover corner, he's soft, and he runs his mouth too damn much. Before the game he's talking about taking about targeting Romo and after the game he's ripping Haslett and complaining about a call that the refs were 100 percent right on.

I didnt like the way Hall ran his mouth either. I do however realize Hall is our best corner. So its a give and take thing with Hall.

Our defense was creating pressure consistently. It just so happens Romo is great at avoiding sacks and gets rid of the ball quickly. You cant honestly think our defense was to blame last night? One bad call and bad play last night from the defense in my opinion. Our defense was also in the backfield on plenty of plays.

Its our offense that needs to improve. Its fairly obvious.

[langleyparkjoe]

I don't like Hall.

There's nothing to like. He's a punk and he isn't any good.

Agreed, way overrated.

Ya'll suck.. say he's overrated when he gets the picks and when he gets the touchdowns too. If he's overrated, say it when he does positive stuff as well. He was garbage last night yes, and so was Haslett's play calling.. by the way, Haslett's overrated too for that all-out blitz on 3rd and 21.. but if we had sacked Romo on that play, Haslett wouldn't have been overrated right? More importantly, if D Hall hadn't spoken about taggin Romo's ribs and just got burned, would ya'll have said he's overrated or would ya'll have said he gambles too much?

[ATX_Skins]

There's nothing to like. He's a punk and he isn't any good.

Agreed, way overrated.

Ya'll suck.. say he's overrated when he gets the picks and when he gets the touchdowns too. If he's overrated, say it when he does positive stuff as well. He was garbage last night yes, and so was Haslett's play calling.. by the way, Haslett's overrated too for that all-out blitz on 3rd and 21.. but if we had sacked Romo on that play, Haslett wouldn't have been overrated right? More importantly, if D Hall hadn't spoken about taggin Romo's ribs and just got burned, would ya'll have said he's overrated or would ya'll have said he gambles too much?

LPJ, that's the point though. If you are going to run your mouth you'd better be prepared to cover the #1 guy. Hall reminds me of Lavar, make a few awesome plays but lack in the fundamentals of the position. There is no excuse for the Dez catch. He plays soft every game yet wants to think he's a shutdown corner. He simply is not.

We knew Romo was going to do 2-3 step drops all day, and yet we still blitzed safeties! Sorry, but that is inexcusable.